Template talk:Early PA football

I went ahead and added a few other teams and early leagues to your template (AFL I, AFL II, Anthracite League) as well as the two earlist NFL teams from PA (Pottsville Maroons and Frankford Yellow Jackets). However there are some problems with the list and some criteria needs to be addressed.

1. First the "early era" needed to defined. I have it ending around WWII, because the NFL and the AFL IV pretty much became the dominate leagues around this time and game began to take on it's modern look. If you think otherwise, let me know and we'll open a discussion. I'm personally debating about rounding the date up to 1950 to accommodate the WWII NFL merger teams.

2. This list is not yet 100% accurate. Several teams from the American Association, Eastern League of Professional Football, and several other leagues of the 1920s have yet to to be added. I'm sort of researching them now, but it will take a little while before I have the listing complete and accurate.

Otherwise the list looks great and it's long over due.--Pennsylvania Penguin (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree - the template is looking nice. I'd recommend cutting things off at 1945 as the return of most minor league football and the beginning of the AAFC in 1946 really revolutionized the game of football itself. The Cleveland Browns of 1946-1949 have a tighter connection with the 1950s+ teams than the Steagles and Card-Pitt of only a couple of years earlier... and there's that matter of a color barrier that was broken in 1946 on the NFL/AAFC level. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say pre-NFL/AFL.  Grsz 11  20:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Carlisle Indian School?
I was wondering if the Carlisle Indian School should belong in this category. The school did play a role in the development of football by turning out pioneers like Jim Thorpe, Joe Guyon and Pop Warner. However they were not a professional team, but a high school and college program. The school, and it's football programs, have been gone since 1917. It is a very notable program for football history but can we have a guideline that allows them to be listed, but at the same time disallow just about every other high school and college football program in PA? For example If Carlisle is allowed, I don't want to later see Ringold High School or Pittsburgh Central Catholic listed just because they turned out Joe Montana and Dan Marino.

But then I was wondering if some of the early college teams like Pitt, Penn, Duquesne, etc.. belong on the list since the college programs during the early football years competed with the pros and were actually seen as a superior product.--Pennsylvania Penguin (talk) 15:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)