Template talk:Fascism/Archives/2021/March

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Di (they-them),

just because you re-add it to the main article after being reverted, does not justify your claim, again, separate accusations and political shoapboxing from facts, no concensus for this.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC))

"Michelle Goldberg, an opinion columnist for The New York Times, compares "the spirit of Trumpism" to classical fascist themes. The "mobilizing vision" of fascism is of "the national community rising phoenix-like after a period of encroaching decadence which all but destroyed it", which "sounds a lot like MAGA" (Make America Great Again) according to Goldberg. Similarly, like the Trump movement, fascism sees a "need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group's historical destiny." They believe in "the superiority of the leader's instincts over abstract and universal reason.""
 * Here are some quotes from the Trumpism article.

"Conservative columnist George Will also thinks them similar noting that like fascism, Trumpism is "a mood masquerading as a doctrine." National unity is based "on shared domestic dreads"—for fascists the "Jews", for Trump the media ("enemies of the people"), "elites" and "globalists". Solutions come not from tedious "incrementalism and conciliation", but from the leader ("only I can fix it") unfettered by procedure. The political base is kept entertained with mass rallies, but inevitably the strongman develops a contempt for those he leads. Both are based on machismo, and in the case of Trumpism, "appeals to those in thrall to country-music manliness: 'We're truck-driving, beer-drinking, big-chested Americans too freedom-loving to let any itsy-bitsy virus make us wear masks.'""

"American historian Robert Paxton poses the question as to whether the democratic backsliding evident in Trumpism is fascism or not. As of 2017 Paxton believed that it bore greater resemblance to plutocracy, a government which is controlled by a wealthy elite. Paxton changed his opinion following the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol and argued that it is "not just acceptable but necessary" to understand Trumpism as a form of fascism."

"Philosopher Cornel West agrees that Trump has fascist proclivities and claims his popularity signals that neo-fascism is displacing neoliberalism in the United States."

As you can see, the article very clearly states that the ideology is very closely related to fascism, at least enough to mention it several times. That makes it appropriate to add to the template on the subject, since the subjects are so closely related. You using the term "political shoapboxing [sic]" doesn't change that. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just because there are some accusations, it does not change the fact there is not any consensus to judge Trumpism as Fascism.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC))
 * I find WP:CATDEF useful in determining what should be included, not only in Categories, but also in Navboxes & Lists. I would ask the question "do reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having the characteristic?" (emphasis in the original). - Ryk72 talk 23:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The answer to that question would be yes, as is shown in the article in question. Di (they-them) (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No way, there are some opinions from some person who have advocacy to the opposing political side (and only try to assert some partial analogy at some points), it is not a commonly accepted general approach, and anyway completely ridiculous.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC))