Template talk:Film/Archive 2010

Edit request
Would it be possible to replace File:UKfilm.png with the new SVG version? Bitplane 12:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitplane (talk • contribs)


 * ??? What where? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The request is for the image for the British task force, but I don't understand why we need it different. BOVINEBOY 2008 ) 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the immediate benefit is that the rendered output is 1k smaller than the original (at 30px), it looks cleaner too, it also helps the SVG transition guys over at Commons by removing it from todo lists (I see that this isn't an argument though, commons exists to serve Wikipedia not the other way around). The reason I made it is for the future, when MediaWiki eventually serves SVG files to compatible clients (currently everything but Internet Explorer) we'll see a fully scalable Wikipedia supporting any screen size without pixelation. This isn't just good for the visually impaired and sci-fi screen resolutions of the future, but also for people reading on their televisions. You don't have to use it, but it would be nicer IMO if you did :) Bitplane 13:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitplane (talk • contribs)

Leaving a blank line
This template is leaving a blank line:

There's some extra carriage returns that need fixing.

76.66.197.17 (talk) 01:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

❌ Nothing wrong with it. See Template:WPBS - "The |1= is required." - if missing, it gives a blank line - one needs {{WPBS|1= not {{WikiProjectBannerShell|  Ron h jones {{sup| (Talk)}} 01:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Could something be done? None of the templates I've seen cause this extra line. I believe it's a simple matter of removing the newlines from the beginning of the template.  E.g.:


 * Change:

{{#switch:{{lc:{{{category|}}}}}|no|n=| {{#ifeq:{{TALKSPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}||{{mbox|type=content|imageright=|text=The {{tl|Film}} WikiProject banner below should be moved to this {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}=article's|page's}} talk page. If this is a demonstration of the template, please set the parameter {{para|category|no}} to remove this message and prevent this {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}=article|page}} being miscategorised.}}}} }}

{| class="wpb collapsible innercollapse messagebox {{#switch:{{lc:{{{small|}}}}}|yes|y=small-talk|standard-talk}}" to: {{#switch:{{lc:{{{category|}}}}}|no|n=| {{#ifeq:{{TALKSPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}||{{mbox|type=content|imageright=|text=The {{tl|Film}} WikiProject banner below should be moved to this {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}=article's|page's}} talk page. If this is a demonstration of the template, please set the parameter {{para|category|no}} to remove this message and prevent this {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}=article|page}} being miscategorised.}}}} }}{| class="wpb collapsible innercollapse messagebox {{#switch:{{lc:{{{small|}}}}}|yes|y=small-talk|standard-talk}}"
 * -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Btw, I've tested this at User:SatyrTN/test1 and User_talk:test2. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * {{done}} &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Link to guidelines
Per positive discussion at WT:FILM, I request the following change to be made to the template to link to the guidelines of WikiProject Films.

Previous: To use this banner, please refer to the documentation.}}

Requested: To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the guidelines.}}

Please let me know if this change cannot be made. Thanks, Erik (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Film banners using the small parameter
It appears that specifying "small=yes" in this template will add a page to Category:Film banners using the small parameter; it took me a while to figure out that the categorization takes place through Film/Checks, which is transcluded into this template. I'm curious, what is the purpose of tracking which pages use a small version of the project banner? Thanks, –Black Falcon (talk) 01:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Good question...with only two articles even using it, though, I wonder if the parameter is even necessary (maybe that is what was being tracked?) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps... I have asked PC78 on his talk page whether he could offer any clarification; however, at the moment he seems to be on wikibreak. –Black Falcon (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't recall the specifics... I would have put it when I was making some upgrades to the banner, possibly just to find out how much the parameter was being used. It can be removed if people want, but TBH I don't think it would be worth the bother. May be useful as a subcategory of, if nothing else. PC78 (talk) 23:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

lowercase
Category:Book-Class Film articles should be a lowercase (Category:Book-Class film articles), like the rest of the categories. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 02:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Update
User:WOSlinker has been working on a new version of this template using the meta template WPBannerMeta. It's currently on the /sandbox. Would anyone would like to take a look and make sure it looks okay? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As no one commented on this I have now implemented it. Please let us know of any problems. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The checklist code is now on the right-hand side of the criteria for B-Class status as opposed to below like it was before. I was used to the old version but I am guessing the change is intentional. Other than that it seems OK. - Hydroxonium (talk &#124; contribs) 17:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * See how you get on with the new version. If you prefer the old version I could replace it. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks great. I think the new version is perfect. Thanks very much for the update. I appreciate your help. -   Hydroxonium (talk) 16:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Problem with peer review notification
I think there is a problem with this template's peer review notification. For examples, see how Talk:Fight Club (film) and Talk:The High and the Mighty (film) are "currently undergoing" peer reviews where the templates both have "old-peer-review=yes" parameters. Can this be fixed? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 13:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * hopefully. Thanks for reporting that. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 18:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Categories
The template isn't adding the Core film articles by task force or any of the B-Class checklist categories. Could someone fix this? - Kollision (talk) 05:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fixed this. May take a little while for the categories to fully populate though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:07, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:Core film articles needing expansion by task force is still buggered. It is adding non-Core film article to its subcategories. - Kollision (talk) 12:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've updated the banner to fix that but it's taking a while for the categories to change. -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Category suggestion
I track current discussions on film articles' talk pages by look up recent changes in categories such as Category:American cinema task force articles (recent changes). I also look up such recent changes by the class of the film article, such as Stub-class or B-class or FA-class, which are indicated on the talk page. However, the recent changes for these categories are listed disparately. (See the "Recent changes" section at User:Erik for what I mean.) I would like to suggest a generic talk page category for WikiProject Films so all current discussions related to articles under WikiProject Films can be shown on one page. This can help editors, especially the WikiProject's coordinators, discover discussions that may not be in a popular category such as the American cinema task force (which I often check). This would allow us to assist editors who are seeking discussion and to possibly invite them to be part of the WikiProject in an outreach effort. I recommend a category titled something similar to Category:WikiProject Films talk pages (just found this was already taken) to be added to this template. Before I make an edit request, I would like to hear other editors' thoughts. Thanks, Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 19:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds helpful and will hopefully allow more members and coordinators to join in on discussions that would otherwise be overlooked. I would use it if developed. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think what you're asking for is for all articles with this template to be added to Category:WikiProject Films articles. That will allow you to view all recent changes made to articles under WikiProject Films. Some other WikiProjects do that too (eg. WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Comics, WikiProject California). If that's what you're looking for then I support it (been meaning to ask for this as well). - Kollision (talk) 04:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What about template and category pages? That was why I was not thinking about just "articles" but more like mainspace pages and their related talk pages. Or should we just apply the "article" terminology to these mainspace pages? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 11:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking everything tagged with would be added to Category:WikiProject Films articles (ie. the talk pages of articles, categories, templates, etc.). So yes, in this case, "articles" wouldn't just mean articles. - Kollision (talk) 13:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong support – would be very beneficial.  Mike  Allen   06:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

If this is being suggested merely for the purpose of a recent changes listing, why not just do this? PC78 (talk) 02:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That makes it easier. I'll use that instead. Didn't think of checking templates themselves for recent changes! Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I did check templates, but I didn't think to check the "Show changes to pages linked to the given page instead" check box that made the difference between what I set up and what you set up. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with using what PC78 suggested is that it only shows recent changes to pages that link to/transclude directly and doesn't show changes for pages that link to the template's redirects (eg., ,  , etc.). Using a category like I suggested would allow all pages to appear. I also think having a category which contains all our articles would be handy for other things (eg. intersecting categories, bot work, etc.). - Kollision (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Renaming to Template:WikiProject Films

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Film → Template:WikiProject Film — Per WT:FILM and present consensus below. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 03:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Film → Template:WikiProject Films — I think we should rename the template to WikiProject Films, following the standards of the 99.99% of wikiproject templates. There was a discussion back in Template talk:Film/Archive 2009 but I think things now it's more clear since almost all wikiprojects use the standard names. Standardisation has many benefits: Bots handle me easier, editors identify projects banners better. Let's please do it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, per WP:STANDARDIZE. Do note that film will continue to be available as a redirect. – xeno talk 15:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC) Disclosure: Discussed in brief here.
 * After reviewing this and this and seeing the majority of templates indeed standardized, I support the rename. It should not be an issue since the old name will redirect to the new one. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 15:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Yes, matches the project name, is an existing redirect, doesn't look odd/hidden in a stack of banners, is clearer and more readable. I have been using the redirect anyway, and had a couple of queries about that - those are the reasons.  Rich Farmbrough, 15:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Support Agreed that consistency with other Projects is optimal, but the true reason for support is that a certain bot is changing to this location already, creating more links to the longer title than that of the shorter. BOVINEBOY 2008 15:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I've opposed this chnage in the past, but it makes good sense really. PC78 (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Do we want to wait on the re-naming until the current discussion regarding the possible project name change is completed? We don't want to have to go through changing redirects if the project's name is going to switch afterwards. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely. – xeno talk 00:51, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nehrams2020. Magioladitis, could we hold off on the requested move until the discussion for a new project name is finalized? Maybe a week or two? Seems like there is support to standardize, we just want to be clear about what exactly to change to. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes of course. No problem. It's obvious that the consensus is formed in the "Rename to the project's name". -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I think it is inevitable that the names of all WikiProject banners follow this standard so let's get this over and done with now. - Kollision (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.