Template talk:Football kit/Archive 1

List of patterns
For a (hopefully) complete list of patterns, check out User:Johan_Elisson/football_kits. --Elisson 18:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I have moved Johan's list here. ed g2s  &bull;  talk  14:51, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I've edited my list according to the style here and linked to my page as a template. That way, I won't have to go here to update it. And it can be used on more pages without having to update all of them. Feel free to edit my page if you find new styles. I've decided not to include a few because they either look not very good or are using the wrong syntax in the names. :) --Elisson 16:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I have moved your list to a proper template file (updating works better) which is a more suitable namespace. ed g2s  &bull;  talk  17:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This template produces inelegant results for me in IE (one-pixel coloured lines across the top and above the socks) and downright shocking results in a variety of browsers when the text size is increased (blocks of colour at sides of table cells).

The reason seem to be this: as the width of the grows with the text size, the bottom cell becomes wider than the kit, and determines the width of the whole table. Then the table cells with the kit in have to stretch to fit the total width, but the images in them keep their size, revealing some (coloured) background.

I've been experimenting with an alternative template, at Template:Football kit/temp. You can see the effects at User:Rbrwr/sandbox (the grey sides are in order to see the position and size of the extra table cells I've added). It works perfectly in Moz but still has one one-pixel horizontal line in IE, and breaks in "largest" but not "larger" size in IE. It breaks with large font sizes in Opera, but that's OK because you normally zoom instead. --rbrwr&circ; 14:18, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Broken
This template is currently broken after the upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5, I think because of this bug - images with missing metadata are being displayed at 1px x 1px by default in some browsers. Apparently they're on the case and the image metadata are being updates as a background process. In the meantime I've experimentally updated the template with image widths hardcoded, but this might not work for all kits, so feel free to revert my edit. Qwghlm June 28, 2005 10:09 (UTC)


 * Now that the bug has been fixed, I've reverted the template back to its original form. Qwghlm June 28, 2005 16:29 (UTC)

New kits
How do you add new kits to this template and to Wikipedia? The reason I am asking this is Willem II. The article about this club shows the body of the shirt as having red/blue stripes, whereas the shirt in reality has red/white/blue stripes, after the Dutch flag. It's similar to, but obviously with blue stripes instead of black. Aecis 1 July 2005 19:23 (UTC)
 * create the image file, named Kit_body_red_white_blue_stripes.png. wS;✉ 15:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi! I tried to create a new template: I created the image, but, when I put it in the table above it doesn't work... why? CapPixel 08:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

shorts and socks
How do you fix own patterns for shorts and socks on a team? Arnemann 13:52, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not currently possible. -- Elisson &bull; Talk 16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The template is designed to give an overview of the team colours. Socks and shorts are not usually patterned enough to be considered part of the decription of the team colours. ed g2s  &bull;  talk  14:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And I agree on that. -- Elisson &bull; Talk 15:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Currently then it is impossible to show the Liverpool Champions League kit. It's mostly white, but with a green strip all along the right hand side of the shirt (including one green arm) and shorts (see here). aLii 17:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There appears to be an assumption that socks are a single colour. Disregarding minor trim details many socks have a different colour top. Couldn't a calf colour be added.  The image appears to cut the bottom off any way.  Barfbagger 06:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Problems with Kit colour and IE
I have come across a problem with some of the coding in the template and it's rendering with IE. Apparently the bgcolor= variable doesnt allways work in IE, causing some colors to either render incorectly or not at all. So i have switched from bgcolor= to style="background: whcih seems to solve the problem in IE, and shows no effect in Firefox, which handles the bgcolor= variable ok. I am not sure what effects if any it will have with other browsers, but if someone has a problem with the new rendering then please say so. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 20:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

de:Vorlage_Diskussion:Football_kit

Clevedon Town F.C.
Could someone do the home kit (scroll to the bottom) of Clevedon Town F.C.? There are the 'diamonds' in the table above. Thelb 4 11:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Like this, maybe? Wiggy! 00:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Female version (field hockey kit)
Can anyone tell me if there is a female version (with skirt) of this template, for use in a women's field hockey team? Thanks! ironcito 17:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I've got the basics roughed out based on the football kit. You can use existing arm and body patterns or add your own to the starter at Field hockey/pattern list. Skirt.png supports solid colors as is, but I would imagine you'll need to support patterns there as well? That would be the first required enhancement, I suppose. Socks are socks. General syntax is the same as football's.


 * Template:Field hockey club info box (needs to be edited to add/remove the info you want)
 * Template:Field hockey kit
 * Field hockey/pattern list (master pattern list for your needs)
 * I would guess that you should also expect to set up the requisite talk pages for this stuff and leave the football stuff to the football folks. Wiggy! 23:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, added support for skirt patterns and will update pattern list. Try it out. Wiggy! 23:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't tried the skirt patterns, but it works great! Check it out at Las Leonas if you like. Thanks! :) ironcito 02:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh. Very cool. Have fun with it. Wiggy! 06:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Error with a couple of templates?
I've just been trying to amend the Spurs away shirt, by using the following:

However the main part of the shirt is not white - but that amusing grey colour - hence when you try and overide the colour by amending the 'body' colour it still remains the same. See here for an example. I'm not entirely sure how to make the body a white colour like the rest, yet keeping the yellow trimming. For example:

Any ideas? Cheers! --Cavs 19:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't really understand what you want to do? You want the away shirt to be white but with yellow sides? -- Elisson • Talk 19:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry - should have made myself more clear - The shirt should be blue with yellow trimmings, but when you set the base colour to blue, it does not appear, only the grey colour with the yellow trimming above....This doesn't seem to be right! Hope I make sense...

--Cavs 19:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The away shirt on Tottenham Hotspur F.C. is blue with yellow sides. At least to me. -- Elisson • Talk 19:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I think its got to do with the colour profile and software you are using to do the work. I'm using Opera as a browser and all the kit bits show up clean with the proper transparencies. If I use IE then a number of the shirts and other elements show up grey where they should be transparent.

So ... I pick up a clean piece of the kit that I want to use with a good transparency and I modify it under Adobe Photoshop. When I load the file it asks me if I want to colour manage it by changing the colour profile. I reply no and that leaves the transparency intact.

So you need graphics software that'll make a proper job of managing transparencies. I've fixed a couple of the elements in the kit, but only really as I've needed them. Hope that offers a few clues, or maybe someone more technically attuned can take it from there ... Wiggy! 20:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I had the same problem trying to put the yellow sides onto Bewdley Town F.C. - the body of the short went grey (I also see the Spurs away shirt as grey) - I am using IE. In the end I just left the yellow bits off the Bewdley shirt.... ChrisTheDude 08:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You need to save your PNGs as paletted (256 colours), with a single transparent colour. IE6 still does not support 8-bit transparency, and will show up as grey. Even better, switch to Firefox. ed g2s &bull; talk 15:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

SC Villa
Could someone please make the homekit of SC Villa for me? I'm having real trouble. Home Kit: Maroon shirts, Maroon shorts, White socks. Away kit: Cyan shirts with a white horizontal bar across the middle, Cyan shorts, White socks. Dodokiwiemu 16th June 2006

Like this? Pinkfloyd123 02:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Silkeborg IF
Could someone do the away kit of Silkeborg IF? There aren't the funny green things in the table above. Kalaha 09:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

All away shirts showing as black?????
Currently (at least on my screen, running IE6), all away shirts are showing as having a black body - anyone know why this is???? ChrisTheDude 13:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * whatever it was seems to be fixed now..... ChrisTheDude 14:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Valenciennes
I've got a kit that I'd like to get some help making.

Valenciennes, a French club to be promoted to Ligue 1 in 2006-07, has a rather unusual kit. The kit picture currently in the article, taken from the French article on the same club, does not reflect the current design. I'll try to describe it in words:

Home:
 * Red body
 * Red right sleeve (that would be the left side when facing the kit)
 * White left sleeve (right side when facing the kit)
 * White horizontal stripe, but...
 * The stripe is narrower than the one in the standard "whitehorizontal" template. It's aligned so that the bottom of the stripe coincides roughly with the bottom of the sleeve hole.
 * There's also a white stripe on the opposite side from the white sleeve.
 * Making it even more complicated, the horizontal stripe curves into both the white sleeve and the side stripe.
 * The shorts also have a white stripe on the opposite side from the white sleeve.
 * Socks are the same shade of red.

Away:
 * There are two away kits. The primary away kit, which I plan on using, uses colors exactly opposite from the home kit—white with red striping. No info as to the socks. The third kit substitutes black for red and yellow for white.

You can find a picture of the current shirt in the club's official catalog.

Think someone could help me out? — Dale Arnett 05:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Something wrong with the image
I made a new body pattern, with a white stripe on the right, for the Indian national football team. But there's some problem with it, two white dots on both sides of the stripe that refuse to go. I've redone the image 3 times but can't seem to get rid of it. -Aabha (talk) 18:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I see no dots or anything else that looks wrong. Did you purge your cache after re-uploading the image? – Elisson • Talk 18:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah..looks fine now. Aabha (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Burnley F.C.
Im not very good with code and i had a good at making the new burnley kits so i wondered if someone could please make this. The kits are here (bottom for full kit)--Childzy 10:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Panathinaikos
Could someone add the kit to the PAO page? Thanks! --Jeffcole 03:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Watford
What's going on with the Watford kit? ChrisTheDude 13:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. – Elisson • Talk 13:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hockey Jersey Templates
Could somebody make a template for a hockey jersey? We don't have to include the logos of hockey jerseys if you guys don't want to. It could work if we try to do the jersey designs on the hockey pages in addition to the football pages. How about it?Toonmon2005 03:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Are hockey jerseys significantly different from football jerseys.....? ChrisTheDude 20:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You are right ChrisTheDude. They aren't. I just wanted to get that out in the open so people could start posting the hockey jersey kit images on the hockey pages. I know about the "Be Bold" policy but I'm not that good with images.Toonmon2005 04:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Greece National Team
Ive made the new kits for the greece national team but they are in JPG format and I am not sure how to put them on the page...any help would be great

SVG
Time to convert the images to SVG? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but IE still doesn't support 8-bit transparency. I'm waiting for a parametised SVG extension. ed g2s &bull; talk 18:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Soviet kits
I know that minor details should not be included in the kit, but I believe the CCCP inscription in the Soviet kit is a relevant feature, so, I created the following two pictures:



If you don't find them useful, please discuss with me before removing. Thanks! Afonso Silva 22:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The inscription was not a major characteristic of the jersey. Having it is like saying that Brazil jerseys should sport the technical sponsor logo.--Kwame Nkrumah 23:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * For many decades the inscription was the only thing on the shirt, apart from the dye and the numbers on the back.   Slumgum   T.   C.   23:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * For many decades teams had only their emblems on their shirts, yet we do not put emblems on the kits.--Kwame Nkrumah 00:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There are several reasons for that, but CCCP is a very notable exception. Perhaps you should try to get a consensus before continually removing popular edits.  At least 4 users want the CCCP logo, so you currently seem to be in the minority.


 * I have an idea. List the two kits at WP:IFD and we will be obliged to accept the consensus.    Slumgum   T.   C.   01:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a democracy. A wrong decision is still wrong even if you gather 10 friends of yours. And note that the rule that no decoration should stay in team kits has been backed by more than 4 people.--Kwame Nkrumah 11:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I second Slumgum's request, unless we're all happy with Afonso Silva's jersey (with which I personally am). -- Palffy 17:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think this kit is definitely the one that is highly recognizable and and is of very high importance.–Vitriden 19:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like my response goes unheaded,  and . What do you guys think we should do? -- Palffy  14:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also support the CCCP, as it has always been a major aspect of Soviet sporting uniforms, something that transcends "simple writing". └ O z L a w y e r  / talk  ┐ 19:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * A major aspect of any football team is to have its emblem on the shirt. Are you going to support also emblems on every team jersey?--Kwame Nkrumah 00:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would support it. But, this is of even more importance. I can't see anyone supporting your proposal, and, therefore, I'm reverting it back. You don't own Wikipedia, you know. –Vitriden 08:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That is true. And for sure, it does not belong to people who "personally would support", but they don't since nobody else is supporting. Nobody owns WP, but, at the same time, WP is not a democracy: the end result is that a wrong interpretation is wrong even if supported by a majority.--Kwame Nkrumah 10:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't give a damn about other people's opinion, do you? You have broken the 3RR, you are in minority so minor it consists only of yourself, you don't listen to what other people have to say and you don't deserve to be here, as far as I am concerned. I have nothing to talk with you about. Goodbye.–Vitriden 11:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I actually care about other people opinion, otherwise I would not read and answer them (I am not aswering Palffy comments for other reasons), while you have written a post only to tell me you have nothing to talk with me about. I also care about "consensus" — not "majority", note — but only when it has been elaborated on non-arbitrary basis. There is a basic concept about football kits, that says that football kits were been introduced to show the general appearing of a kit, without regards to details (ever wondered about why there is no possibility to introduce details in shorts and socks?). The only reason that seems non-arbitrary is the recognizability of the jersey, which, however, is easily discarded with the reasoning that if we were aimed to easy recognizability we should put photos, or at least put the emblems on the shirts.
 * On a final note, please appreciate how I am not answering to your personal attacks, telling you, and everyone here, how much I dislike you.--Kwame Nkrumah 13:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So if its not a democracy, is it a dictatorship with you in charge, eh Kwame? =) Why don't you show me proof of this basic concept that you have found? The CCCP insignia is highly recognizable on the jersey and should certainly be included. And you're last statement is ironic because with that statement, you've openly implied that you dislike Vitriden. -- Palffy 17:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well actually the Italians do put team emblems on the shirts. It's not really hard to do, yet the effect looks mightily awesome :P (They have nicer pants and socks too!) --Lorenzarius 18:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Kwame, you can tell whatever you want, all I could see on your user page are personal attacks. I'll answer you once again. Is a white line on the Indian kit important? Well, that white line covers about the same space as the CCCP sign on USSR kit, and it's significant. That IS personal opinion, not a fact, the same as your opinion is just that, not a fact. So, when we are dealing with opinions (whether something is significant or not), we can get out of it by voting only. Once again, you can be right or wrong about the facts, but when it comes to opinions, you cannot claim the right to be right. –Vitriden 17:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Baseball kit
Thanks to everyone who has worked on this template and all its accessories... it is really fantastic. I created a template for baseball uniforms that replaces shorts with "pants," "normal" socks with funny baseball socks, and adds a badly drawn cap. Here is an example...

Rolando 00:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Iran national football team kit
Could someone design the kits for Iran's team? I have no idea how to do this. At the very least could they make some generic PUMA templates? This is the home jersey. The away kit has red instead of white, and the red stripes on the back become green. Thanks in advance. Nokhodi 18:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

PUMA
Are we going to start having some costumized PUMA kits, like we have on a lot of adidas kits? Abreuzinho 16:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about subtle elephants a la Côte d'Ivoire? Other than that, these jerseys (e.g., Iran, Côte d'Ivoire, Cameroon, Italy, Ghana) seem like easy, single color efforts.Rolando 15:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be cool if we could get the subtle little drawings in. Someone has already done it for Bulgaria. Nokhodi 22:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the same someone has done it for Bulgaria as well as Côte d'Ivoire (see 13 June edit by Mattzaliar). I was able to dig up the elephant jersey, but it was removed from the Côte d'Ivoire strip by the next edit. Maybe you can contact the user who seems to have created these images.
 * [[Image:Kit_body_ivc06.png]] [[Image:Kit_body_bulh06.png]]
 * That being said, I do question the wisdom of adding these details. Quoting from above, "Avoiding creating patterns for minor details on a kit, the template is for showing basic team colours. It is not supposed to be an accurate drawing of the kit." As the apparel companies faithfully tinker with the strips every two years, we'll be on the hook for keeping up with their whims. Rolando 02:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Shorts and socks
Is there a way to make custom designs for the shorts and socks? -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope. See this discussion from further up the page ChrisTheDude 20:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Goalkeeper kits
Hey everyone. I'm working on some Goalkeeper kits, just in case we ever need them. I'm doing national teams, and I've got 🇦🇱 albania to 🇦🇷 argentina right now. Please add more national teams (or even club teams) if you can. Thanks. - Kookykman| (t) e 18:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This was suggested and rejected before as most teams have about 3 or 4 GK kits, and seem to choose them randomly regardless of home/away, sometimes changing them mid-season. This template is for "team colours", not an accurate representation of every kit a team might wear. ed g2s &bull; talk 13:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thickwhitestripes
The transparency on this image wasn't working, so I uploaded a fixed version at Kit_body_thickwhitestripes2.png. I don't know how to get this to replace the actual failed image. ArtVandelay13 15:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)



Striped kits
I've noticed as of late many striped shirts, ex. Inter Milan, aren't exactly right. Look at this for example. See the middle of the collar and how theres a black stripe coming off it, well there should be a black and white stripe coming off it take a look at the actual thing. Can any one make a proper version.

==Rushden & Diamonds==
 * The version at Inter Milan looks close enough to me. All it's intended to do, after all, is show that they wear blue and black stripes, not worry about the exact width/alignment of the stripes themselves......... ChrisTheDude 07:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please explain to me how to assemble the kit below on the template? I found the instructions for it very lacking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Rushden0910h.PNG&limit=20#filehistory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rushden0910hra1.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rushden0910hla2.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rushden0910hla1.PNG

Note: Rushden have all white socks.