Template talk:Google LLC/Archive 1

= Topics from 2006 =

Separation of templates
I suggest that this template be used only on the Google corporate article - for all software and web services articles, the template Template:Google_services should be used instead. This template is too complicated and includes many links to non-Google services. Kungming2 04:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I would think that deletion of this template is a much better option. It's not nearly as attractive and well-designed as Template:Google_services. Plus, why do we need two separate templates? Dr. Cash 05:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This template has basically been superseded by Template:Google_services, and all future Google articles that link to the template at Template:Google_services should us that template. This template here might be nominated for deletion. –- kungming•  2   (Talk)  05:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Instead, I think its best to merge the two templates into one (keep Template talk:Google Inc. except use part of the organizaion from Template:Google services). By the way, no fair use images in templates (or any other non-article page), so the Google image should be removed-- T B C [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|18px|]] ???  ???   ??? 05:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Is that really? Then what about Template:AMD_processors? It has AMD's logo built into the template as well. –- kungming·  2   (Talk)  15:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That image needs to be removed as well. Please remember that fair use images can only be used on mainspace articles, not for decorative purposes (such as for User pages and templates). I suggest checking out Fair use for more information. -- T B C [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|18px|]] ???  ???   ??? 15:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for telling me. I've removed the image from the Template:Google_services, but as for the AMD one, I think it would be good to first contact the maker of that template about fair-use images. –- kungming•  2   (Talk)  17:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * moving following comment to here from deleted "google services" talkpage. -Quiddity

Google Local has had its name changed to Google Maps, see here. –- kungming•  2   (Talk)  16:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Google services
Template:Google services has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. - David Björklund (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This template had been supported for deletion in an informal vote also - see Talk:Google and I suggest merging the two templates together, as stated on the votes for deletion page. –-  kungming•2 | (Talk • Contact)  06:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thank you for showing me the discussion on Talk:Google.
 * As for the changes (a more streamlined version) that you seem to favor - I'm all for it! Let's cut out stuff that's not relevant, I'm sure there's lot. I merged the articles as a start.
 * I merged the both templates to Google Inc. as the new template (even after it's made more streamlined) will include information that is related to the company, not the services part of it. Therefore it seemed like the right choice.
 * Also, before I merged them both (and changed the links) there was a mess, some articles used google services and other used google inc, when they were all about different services. At least it's not like that now!
 * To finish this up. I apologize for making these changes without consulting the community in a correct way - it was clumsy of me.- David Björklund (talk) 09:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup - but I think some links should be removed, as they don't really have anything to do with the company - after all, this is Google Inc.! All the things in here should have something to do with the company.


 * To remove: Google Hacks, Schnitzelmitkartoffelsalat (it does not have anything specific tie in to do with Google), the Google Summer of Code (if the Apple templates don't put the Macworld Expo on it, there's no need for this on a template), Miserable Failure (the same thing could turn up on Yahoo!, MSN, and Ask.com - not specific to Google), Urchin Software Corporation (listed under List of acquisitions by Google), ElgooG (does not merit inclusion in the Google template simply because of being a mirror), Google Space (a cafe is very out of place here), Googlefight (not affiliated with Google - gives the impression that it is since it's put in this Google Inc. template), Pyra Labs (same reason as Urchin software), Google Watch - it's actually a website criticizing Google, Google Current - has nothing to do with Google. Removing these links will go a long way towards improving this template. –-  kungming•2 | (Talk • Contact)  00:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed all links not pertaining to Google Inc. - after all, that's what the template's name is. –-  kungming•2 | (Talk • Contact)  01:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Revenue for 2006
How come the template shows Google's revenue for 2006. Sure, this is probably an estimate made by responsible people, but it is an estimate anyway. And this a problem for a company that relies on technology trends that can change dramatically every quarter. So, shouldn't the revenue shown be the one reported for 2005? --Cryout 14:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Labs Products
I have removed the Labs products from this list, so that it can be easier to maintain. Labs products change often, and therefore it would be hard to decide which ones to include in the template.

(The link to labs is still there, though)

--Mambo Jambo 16:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Green header too garish...
It seems as if the header on the top is a shade too bright - is it possible to tone it down a bit? –-  kungming•2 | (Talk •Contact) 22:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed - what was really wrong with the old header? The green background is, as you say, garish and the different coloured for the logo are gimmicky. I don't know of any other corporate templates that have this sort of colour scheme. I think I'll change it back now - feel free to debate this if there's a good reason for keeping the current scheme! Jonohill 10:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks much better now. =) –-  kungming•2 | (Talk •Contact) 20:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Great job, I like the original header as well. --TBC TaLk?!? 01:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Google logo at the header?
I am thinking that the transparent Google logo should be added to the the header but it seems that when I try to add it, the header color changes to gray. Any way to avoid it?

Michaelas10 11:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to have the Google logo on this template, but the logo itself is under a fair-use license, and therefore we cannot place it in the template - it would be a violation of the fair-use policies. I tried it before. –-  kungming•  2 | (Talk •Contact) 14:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Returned specific width
I've returned the specific width script to shorten the template's width by 70%. The specific width is necessary and effects a lot on the designing of the Google-related articles that contain it.

Michaelas10 20:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked through a few Google-related articles, but couldn't find anyone which would suffer from the template not being 75% wide (as it currently is). While there is no "standard" width for footer templates, there seems to be quite a lot being either 100% or 94% wide. Best regards, Fred Bradstadt 20:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This template is quite larger than others and having this template 100% wide covers a large portion of the article's page. Michaelas10 21:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

YouTube
I removed mention of YouTube from the template. They announced the intention to purchase YouTube, but it hasn't happened yet, and is not yet a part of Google. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 06:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it is.-- TBC Φ  talk?  08:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, that is just the announcement. Until the deal actually closes, YouTube is not a part of Google. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 08:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

To repeat myself, Google has announced an agreement to acquire YouTube. The acquisition hasn't actually taken place (yet). See their own press release : "Both companies have approved the transaction, which is subject to customary closing conditions and is expected to close in the fourth quarter of 2006." Perhaps we should allow the purchase to actually take place before including YouTube within Google's product set? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 12:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Removal of product section
It seems like we're trying to cram a ton of info into this template. Why not remove the product info from this one and create a whole Google product template and just use this for the corporate info (like revenue, stock, history, logo, and the like)? It seems like it would be easier to read and get the information you're really looking for.-- Joe Jklin  ( T C )  00:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no need for a separate product template. Either delete the products from this one, or keep it as it is. The List of Google products and Google services categories are good enough, and creating a Google products template would be completely redundant. The template is now a lot better than it was, but feel free to just have a link to the products list. --Mambo Jambo 00:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, there used to be two separate templates, but they were merged together in the end. –-  kungming•  2 | (Talk •Contact) 09:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Google Groups
Should Groups be moved out of search to the communication section? Behun 10:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done :) Martin Porcheron 10:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Google.org and .tld
Should we include The Google Foundation? Also, should all the different www.google.tld's be included? google.com seems English-centric.Stale Fries 02:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree about .org, disagree about .tld's: there are simply too many of them all to fit into one template. Besides, google.com is the main site and users from overseas usually get redirected correctly to the "right" local site upon entry. --John Seward 07:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is the english wikipedia though se would shouldn't really need to link to other non-english tlds. Martin Porcheron need help? just ask! 00:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Google Checkout
I believe that we should add Google Checkout to the advertising section of the template. Does anyone agree? Behun 22:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Google Patents
Is Google Patents significant enough to merit inclusion? I don't know... thoughts? ++Lar: t/c 01:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Although Google is pushing Patent Search on their homepage, I don't think it is significant enough. I think Google is simply trying to advertise the service. Martin Porcheron need help? just ask! 13:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)