Template talk:Google LLC/Archive 3

= Topics from 2009 =

Display bug when corporate=no
exhibits a display bug at the top of the navbox:



Could someone check what's wrong? GregorB (talk) 14:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 02-Feb-2009: I have changed the template to temporarily skip the coding for the "state=" auto-collapse header, which has a new bug that has been displaying the following code at the top of the "Google Inc." navbox:
 * " style="width:100%;background:transparent;color:inherit;;">


 * The problem does not occur in versions of the template that don't have that coding for the "state=" parameter. I have also shortened the display of corporate data at the bottom of the navbox, showing the Employees date as "Sep. 30" and the website in small-font. Unfortunately, Wikipedia no longer quickly reformats articles that use templates, so the fix for corporate=no might take days to become effective in the various articles using Template:Google_Inc.


 * The impact depends on how many people read those various articles (of "corporate=no") during the next few days while those articles are queued for reformatting. I suspect that Wikipedia was overwhelmed with auto-reformatting every article that used a template. Some templates are used in like 50,000 articles, so it was formerly change-one-letter in a template, and Wikipedia had to reformat those 50,000 articles (as fast as possible). Now, it might take several days to reformat even 10 articles that use a common template. I'm not sure if there is a queued backlog of many 50,000's of other articles waiting to reformat, or if there is an intentional delay of several days. In early 2008, the queues-to-reformat had like 1-million articles scheduled/waiting for reformatting, but a 400-article template would reformat all 400 within 4 minutes of changing the template; however, I don't know how bad it has become since then.


 * Also, I wrote an essay, in February 2008, about Wikipedia having too many navboxes (as "WP:Overlink_crisis"), so the developers are aware, and hopefully, steps can be taken to make navbox fixes faster in the future. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix! You also raise some good issues: everyone and their sister are now creating navboxes. As for the queueing problems, things have gotten worse, apparently because the current system is relatively crude (for an illustration, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Job_queue_redesign). Hopefully this will be improved in the future. GregorB (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed bug when corporate=no
02-Feb-2009: I have pinpointed and fixed the bug which displayed internal CSS-style coding when corporate=no, such as:


 * style="width:100%;background:transparent;color:inherit;;">

The bug was introduced on 4-Dec-2008 (almost 2 months ago) when handling the autocollapse of stacked navboxes. However, only a few articles were affected, and those pages were long enough so that the style-display line was somewhat buried by all the other text displayed on those pages. The problem was caused by a very common issue called an "unclosed comment" in the internal HTML comments of the template. Several formal computer languages designed by experts since 1979 do not have unclosed-comment problems, but HTML was not designed by those experts, and the World Wide Web was basically "hacked" into existence in 1991, without using existing expert technologies from programming language design and typesetting. So beware unclosed HTML comments, likely to be around for many years to come: it's already been 19 years. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Subpage /Examples tests parameters
03-Feb-2009: I have created subpage "/Examples" to display examples of using the template or testing the parameters. The coding bug of 04-Dec-2008 could have been caught earlier if a formal examples test-page had existed, so I have created the subpage "/Examples" to be run whenever the template coding is updated, as a sanity check to ensure all options still work after the template is updated. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Retrofit talk-page year headers/subpages
03-Feb-2009: I have added subheaders above as "Topics from 2006" (etc.), in font size=3, to emphasize the dates of topics in the talk-page. Older topics might still apply, but using the year-headers helps to focus on more current issues as well. Then I added the boxed "Talk-page subpages" beside the TOC, showing subpage "/Examples" (Article talk-pages often have subpage "/Comments" for quality-review notes). -Wikid77 (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Google TiSP
What about Google TiSP? Nobody added it. --Dima1 (talk) 12:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Google Ventures
Should Google Ventures be added to the template? --Tintero (talk) 20:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅. --Tintero (talk) 23:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Draft Version Commenting
If this is intended as a proposal then I disagree with it for several reasons. First because it is very cumbersome and will be difficult to use effectively for the average reader. Secondly the use of a section for "acquisitions" is a poor idea. A large amount of Google's current empire was bought, like YouTube for instance. You can't put a huge number of items in Acquisitions, as you might as well classify everything under "miscellaneous". Sorting by function, as is currently the case in this template, makes much more sense. The template deals with the whole Google empire, this navigation box does not have to differentiate whether Google developed something internally or purchased it - that is for the articles themselves to discuss. You are going to have to explain this in some manner if you hope to gain any consensus. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume that you are new here, then. Normally most editors don't post a proposal on a talk page until it is ready for comment. I would suggest that you create an account for yourself and then develop this in your own WP:Sandbox and then bring it here for comment. Also please don't remove other people's comments, that isn't a good way to get consensus support for anything. - Ahunt (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I know how the procedure is done. I posted here, because I thought this template would only took 2 minutes to finish. But now the template is complete (only took 2 hours, it not that of a big deal). Besides, I already have a Sandbox on my talk page, before you notify me. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, now let's see if there is any consensus support over the next few days from editors watching this page for substituting this new proposed templete in place of the existing one. - Ahunt (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Note that Google Guice and GWT have been added onto Template:Application frameworks. There is a consensus on that template that templates on programming language who have their foundations is at best keep it to their own foundation, plug-ins...etc template. While the rest is best suited for the minor programming languages. So this affect a lot of article so take note of that. Minor programming languages that have developement such as CMS, IDE haven't been discuss yet.

I have temporarily removed Google Finance and GOOG-411. Google Finance is temporarily removed, because it is still in beta stage and from the looks of the sites, we don't know is Google going to expand it into a websites network for each field of finance subfields + search engine or they are just going to keep it as a search engine. Also GOOG-411 is a 1-800 toll free number and I don't think they are any articles in Wikipedia that consider 1-800 as a "service" unless they have their subsystems like Lavalife for other features. For that part, citation should be provided in the article before placing it onto the template. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely don't like and have many questions (listed below): Behun (talk) 22:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What does KM mean, it should be expanded?
 * Publishing seems to be diverted between two sections of publishing and service? What makes them different, and why is knol in one and JotSpot (which should be called Sites), in the other?  If they should be divided, should they be in the same major section (KM, etc...)?
 * Google with the exception of Chrome, and Google App Engine, doesn't use public road maps. There should not be a section called roadmap.
 * How could gOS which is not a Google product be listed there?
 * How could Google Earth be on the roadmap when it is a fully featured product?
 * Why is Powermeter listed which is a private beta product for probably a few thousand people or so, but Google Finance which is a multi-year product which is featured on Google's main upper menu?
 * Why is the acquisition section not have a link to all the acquisitions? Why are other acquisitions not listed (YouTube, Feedburner, Google Docs with Writely, Picasa, etc...)?

I improve the version. Italics for acquisitions.

KM stand for Knowledge Management, I don't really know how to explain it, but look these 2 template for a head start, but please go read Publishing, Servicing and Web 2.0. Please stop getting them confused, esp not with Internet Culture, before commenting.
 * Template:Computer Science
 * Template:Semantic Web

Note the Roadmap just refer to the OS components, because Google seems to want an OS of their own.


 * I really think this proposal is just getting more confused and more confusing to potential readers as time goes on. Having reread it I don't understand what it is telling me. Where does the template indicate that italics=acquisitions? Why is it even important to show which companies or products were bought, as opposed to developed?


 * I would really suggest you take it to your own userspace and develop it and then bring it back here. As it is, it is not getting any support. - Ahunt (talk) 20:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think at this point in time it is safe to say that there is no consensus to replace the current nav box with this proposal, but thanks for developing it as a concept. Perhaps with some more work at some point in the future it could be presented again. - Ahunt (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Google Development Layout
Guessmate only.

Nearly all contents removed, because article already has the info. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What is this section about??? - Ahunt (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

A layout guidance for people who are confused about how Google works, because Google are unlike most companies which develop easily understandable stuff like Frameworks, IDE or CMS. Each development is targeted for a specific industrial purpose. However, since that is pretty hard to explain it through the template. People can just look at this chart instead.
 * For Location Aware Computing, see Types of Computing Computations.

In a sense all KM companies do something similar, but rarely as massive as Google. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Add Google Quick Search Box
I just created the page Google Quick Search Box. Any objection if I add it to the "Products" section? Æk (talk) 04:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like it should be listed there! - Ahunt (talk) 11:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Google Notebook
Google Notebook is not discontinued so it must be in an other place Wild mine (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point - fixed! - Ahunt (talk) 22:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Science Fair
Hello,

Where would Google Science Fair go on the navbox?

Is it something that should be added? PJmdJIm (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Google Art Project
Hallo. What is the group in which may be placed Google Art Project link? I've tried to place it but i really don't know where. So i prefere to notify the existance of this article, created some hours ago, and wait for the intervention of an expert user about Google. Thanks. --Dэя-Бøяg 20:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Nasdaq and NYSE
Hi,Since the Google template has the stock codes of Nasdaq and NYSE, the template automatically places the Categories: Companies listed on NASDAQ | Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange | Companies listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange on each article in the template. Is there any way to make those stock symbols no follow or to remove them altogether. Because it make those categories really bad sources of information. See - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Companies_listed_on_NASDAQ&from=G. Those sub articles are not listed on those stock exchanges only the parent company Google is.

--120.136.52.17 (talk) 21:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Better Hierarchy?
I reckon there should be some hierarchy with major index pages like 'Products' having more emphasis near the top, so there's more of a logical order for people who might be interested in learning about Google. Tom (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

hlist
Sorry, for me hlist does not display here well on some browsers, probably with other templates too, I think it makes things too heavy and the brower cannot parser it easily or whatever it gets difficult to do, looks crappy in loading. And I'm not using some pentium 1, the · shows things faster and better. And it does not go buggy in loading in some browsers. hlist is very irritating for the eyes. And this is not something new but with bigger templates like this is getting even worse. --Aleksd (talk) 08:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Loading gets slower and opening of the template is slower, its just not robust, edit was made by User:Pigsonthewing on January 2012‎. --Aleksd (talk) 08:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

An Article about "Google Developers"
I suggest to create a page about this service – its a documentation site about the services of Google, mainly dealing with APIs for web developers. Galzigler (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Template autocollapse
I've changed the template default to autocollapse, due to its intrusive presence on pages such as Android software development. If it should be expanded, this can be dealt with on the individual page, rather than be the default. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at this further, this template is unnecessarily complicated. If different navboxes need to show on different pages, then consider multiple navboxes.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Google driverless car
Shouldn't this wiki be added to the template? --Narayan (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

History group
I removed the Don't be evil link from the above bar. I did this for several reasons, but mostly because they have been evil, and the link seems to promote them.

So, that leaves only the History of Google link. I'm thinking either List of mergers and acquisitions by Google could be added to that above bar, or a history group could replace the above bar. List of mergers and acquisitions by Google is very chronological and a huge part of what Google is about. That link doesn't appear right now in this navbox, but it should. Thoughts?

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Google Talk Discontinued?
I believe Google Talk has been replaced by Google Hangouts, and I propose moving it from the "Communication" row to the "Discontinued" row.

Feynman1918 (talk) 01:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Excessive branding
per WP:DEVIATIONS, I disagree with the addition of excessive branded colouring to this template. there is no reason for this to be the only one using a non-default colour, e.g., see Template:Facebook navbox. Frietjes (talk) 14:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really, Template:The Simpsons uses a non-standard colour. ☃ Unicodesnowman (talk) 08:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * let me know when the Simpsons is a technology company. Frietjes (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Excessive number of "Discontinued" products listed
There are 52 products listed under "Discontinued". This seems excessive for this template. Power~enwiki (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018
Add AngularJS and Tensorflow to the Development tools section. Considering the popularity of both these open-sourced frameworks, their omission here is mystifying. 106.208.24.43 (talk) 13:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2019
According to https://killedbygoogle.com/, Google Fusion Tables were discontinued. Danaceks (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: It is scheduled to be discontinued in December 2019, so it should not be listed as discontinued yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2019
Add a link to Wing (company) to the Other section of the page. 2401:FA00:9:16:6547:1E5A:BE8C:D51C (talk) 01:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 18:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)