Template talk:Hinduism/Archive 1

Suggestion
I think there should be links to Hindu music --70.69.161.130 17:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There is already a page for that, Bhajans.--Jesucristo301 21:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why is the scriptures section titled mythology? It has very negative connotations - whether they are true or not - they are scripture (some accounts and some philosophy) and the title should reflect that. Any objections? As a comparison - the Genesis and bible would be categorized as scripture but not mythology. --Pranathi 02:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Most of the Hindu scriptures are a part of the Hindu mythology. We do have a separate template for Hindu texts. If you want you can some more mythology-related topics to the list --Deepak|वार्ता 18:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Deepak, do you mind if I change mythology to scriptures, since this section includes the Upanishad etc, which are not stories. I find mythology a bit offensive when applied to religion - also see (Christian mythology. Unless there are objections, I will change shortly. --Pranathi 20:11, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Mythology is a part of every religion in the world.. Anyway how about having the section title as Mythology and scriptures. --Deepak|वार्ता 20:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * If you see Christian Mythology, it is only stories that have 'developed' around texts, and stories that have 'accumulated' around scripture and fundamental stories of Christianity. It includes only what Christians think of as myth (it implies falsehood as mentioned in page). Parallels would be Jataka tales etc in Hinduism. The only place it could be sometimes called myth would be to differentiate belief from literal history - and is offensive to the members of the religion.


 * Our template includes Shruti, Upanishads, Vedas, Brahmana, Smriti, Bhagavad Gita, Sutras, Itihasa under mythology. I can see none of these, except maybe some of the puranas to be mythology. Even those are not considered by all Hindus to be mythology - only the logical thinking ones that limit the reach of the supernatural.--Pranathi 20:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I do get your point. I hope you have gone through the article on Hindu mythology. It kinda contradicts your point. I'm against removing the section on Hindu mythology from the template - not very constructive --Deepak|वार्ता 10:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. I have added to the existing discussion questioning the title in that page. Also let's move this discussion to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism. Hopefully we can get a consensus there.--Pranathi 14:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

"Part of a series" ?
"Part of a series" implies there is some co-ordination by some group of every article to which the template is stamped. Is there such a group? ...and if there were, do the rules of wikipedia allow such a group to control a subset of wikipedia articles? The template is intended as a navigational aid, not as a stamp of approval upon an article. Would not "Related articles on..." be a more approriate lead-in? ---JimWae 06:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Since this got no replies in 4+ years, I've raised this question again below. Shreevatsa (talk) 06:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

proposal for new section
Just as the islam template has a section called 'societal aspects', i propose the hinduism template should also add a similiar section with topics concerning sciences, society and arts. Leafy 01:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible image change
Hello an editor of the Hinduism article has suggested a change in the Aum picture, he has recently uploaded the image you see to the right. He wants to change it because he says that the color saffron would much better suit the article and the fact that saffron is a holy color in Hinduism. Does anybody agree with this.-- Seadog ♪ 17:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Guys plz replace the black image with this saffron one.Sarvabhaum 11:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure but I feel of having seen Ohm in deep orange colour. If the editor agrees, we should try to see how it looks in deep orange. swadhyayee 05:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it possible to make the Aum a bit darker/less bright. It hurts my eyes at the moment. Maybe a more reddish-orange would be better.  Gizza Chat &#169;  14:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) I would make a new one but I don't know how, you will have to ask Sarvabhaum. I have actually tested out the template with the new Aum and it actually looks pretty good. &mdash; Seadog  14:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On the template it appears small but if we were to replace every black Aum with this one, there are going to be places where it will appear at this harmful-to-the-eyes size.  Gizza Chat &#169;  14:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Swastika replacement proposal
It has been proposed that the swastikas be removed from the following templates, as they are potentially offensive to readers.

Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism. --tjstrf talk 01:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hindu Links (top left)
 * Hinduism small (bottom)
 * HinduFestivals (top right)
 * Hindu Deities and Texts (top right)
 * User WikiProject Hindu mythology (left)


 * Hi: NOTE: Talk about this is now centralized at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism. Thanks. IZAK 02:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that the debate no longer applies to this template. Only to Hindu Links.  Noble eagle  [TALK] [C] 00:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Rather, I think not to call it a swastika. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk • contribs) 16:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I think this swastika is a mistake. Nazi swastika spins counter-clockwise and hasn't got dots. Hindu swastika spins clockwise and has dots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.25.210.58 (talk • contribs)

I am happy that a proposal to remove the Swastika is alraedy in the talk page. Kindly remove immediately. A great living Hindu religious/spiritual/advaita master has told/opined 'We have lost the Swastika. Let us not use it any more.' So to be respectful and empathetic to a particular community, let us remove the Swastika. Kindly remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyamMithya (talk • contribs) 16:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Criticism link
I propose adding a link to the criticism page. Back in December, the Mormonism, Buddhism, and Islam templates all had links to their specific criticism page, however Islam removed their citing this template as precedent. Ironically, someone wanted to include the Criticism of Christianity link on the Christianity template, and cited those as precedent. If this is going to be a matter of "Well the Jews don't have the link, so why should we" or "The Mormons have the link, so should the Muslims" etc, we should decided as a whole whether links to these criticism pages are appropriate for the parent religion templates. I believe that all religion templates should have a link to the parent criticism page (if one exists), and that is what I am proposing here. What do we think?-Andrew c 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think any of the religion templates need a criticism link. I don't see them on other WikiProject templates, either. &#2384; Priyanath talk 00:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Template:ScientologySeries has a whole section of critical/controversial links. Since there is a Criticism of Hinduism pages, it seems more neutral, and holistic to include that POV in the form of a single link on this template. --Andrew c 01:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Most WikiProject Templates (looking further than just religions) don't have criticism links. As far as I know, there's no policy saying that templates need to have criticism links. Let us know what the Christianity, Islam, and Judaism Project members think of your proposal to add criticism links to their Religion templates. Since this is really a Project-wide policy, you should also see what other WikiProjects think, for example countries and ethnic groups. The Village Pump may be the best place to propose what sounds like a new policy, rather than here. &#2384; Priyanath talk 02:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea. A centralized discussion on this general topic can be found at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Criticism link on religion navigational boxes. -Andrew c 03:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There was wide support to include critical links across the board. So I'll see if I can't find a good place to put the link here.-Andrew c 03:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * One problem is that the swastika is going the wrong direction: the hindu symbol goes clockwise, the nazi symbol goes counterclockwise, the nazi symbol is shown —Preceding unsigned comment added by HershieWafflesSrivastava (talk • contribs) 17:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Changing Aum Symbol
My english is low, excuseme. I am thinking to change the aum simbol to  or  into Template:Hinduism_small

Thanks --Wilfredor 18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the artistic creativity of your version, it's done using Chinese calligraphy brush strokes - what does that have to do with Hinduism? It adds confusion in my opinion. &#2384; Priyanath talk 16:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with &#2384; Priyanath. Wilfredor's calligraphy is truly beautiful, but introduces an element of cultural confusion for me. -- Lisasmall 04:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Reincarnation vs. Rebirth question
Should Reincarnation not be Rebirth? I'm not an expert, but from my knowledge this could cause serious misunderstanding. Reincarnation means that the soul is transferred, but in Buddhism there is no soul (anatta). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baynardo7 (talk • contribs).

But this is a Hinduism template, not a Buddhism template. See Reincarnation and Hinduism. &#2384; Priyanath talk 16:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

i belive the hindu is nopt a religion its dharma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.145.67.121 (talk) 12:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Very similar.

Reorganization
I have cleaned-up and reorganized the template from this version to this newer version. My main aim was: I am certain that the new version is far from perfect and invite feedback. Some observations: Abecedare 02:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the template focussed on the themes of central importance to Hinduism and remove articles that are IMO not as central (such as Vahana, Swami), or generic articles that are not focussed on Hinduism (such as Reincarnation, as opposed to Samsara, and Vegetarianism).
 * Reorder and regroup links so that related concepts are grouped together (such as the four Purusharthas; Yoga and Bhakti etc)
 * Should we link to Purushartha instead of Kama, Artha, Dharma and Moksha individually ? Sounds sensible but also, Dharma and Moksha are too important not to link from the template. Any suggestions ?
 * I noticed that we have no good articles on Hindu practices (as opposed to philosophy, beliefs and scriptures) such as marriage, cremation etc. Hindu covers some of those topics but is in a bad state. Perhaps knowledgeable editors can look to expanding wikipedia's coverage of those topics.

Caste system
Why was this item removed? It seems like that is a notable topic that is related to Hinduism.-Andrew c [talk] 00:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Andrew - I removed caste system as a 'main' Hinduism link because it's already covered in the 'Criticism' article. &#2384; Priyanath talk 02:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

We need a separate Caste system which is key in hinduism society,politics etc further Criticism covers other aspects also.Pharaoh of the Wizards 10:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 90% of the Criticism article is about the caste system. For comparison, look at the Islam, Judaism, and Christianity templates. The Islam template doesn't have separate links to sections on Jihad, Dhimmi, Terrorism, and Treatment of Women. There's just the one link to a Criticism section. in the Christianity template, there aren't separate links to Crusades, Persecution, and Slavery. They are all mentioned and linked in the template's Criticism page/link. The same is true for the Judaism template. Let's be consistent, and show NPOV. &#2384; Priyanath talk 15:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I second Priyanath's view. The Christianity & Islam templates does not have articles on their castes, slavery, or stratifications either. Baka man  16:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I third that view. The caste system is covered well and should not be given a place on the template out of fairness with other religions.

Regarding the link "Mandir"
Attending a Hindu temple is not core to the Hindu belief system. The practice of Puja occurs in the home with murtis owned by the householder. Should we remove "Mandir" from this section?--ॐJesucristo301 18:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Deities?
I've edited the link "Deities" to "Devas."--ॐJesucristo301 17:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "Deities" is much broader - it covers devas, devis, avatars, Trimurti, Gandharvas, and much more. Note that the article it links to is titled Hindu deities for that reason. Please discuss and get consensus here before changing a template that's used on hundreds of articles. Thanks, &#2384; Priyanath talk 18:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Deities is an improper word as it insinuates polytheism. I won't edit it any more, but can we try to think of a better word?--ॐJesucristo301 18:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If there is one, yes. "Devas" is just as bad in that regard, so it's not an improvement. &#2384; Priyanath talk 19:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Jesuscristo, you are right that "Deities" does not necessarily capture the complexity and diversity of the Hindu concept of God/god. However, as Priyanath has pointed out it still seems to be the best single word, and an improvement over "Devas", which refers to a specific sub-genre of divinities. Can you think of some better term ? Abecedare 19:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there are many concepts from Hinduism and Sanatan Dharma that don't have English translations that are accurate. This is one of them. As far as I can see it's the most accurate, or rather the least inaccurate approach. &#2384; Priyanath talk 20:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have some but they are a bit wordy. How about "Celestial Beings," "Divine Beings," or "Numen?" I do not think the term "deities" does these individual concepts justice.--ॐJesucristo301 01:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Jesucristo301, This idea needs to be discussed in a wider forum, since it would affect so many articles and templates. In addition to the hundreds of articles that this template affects, there is Template:Hindu Deities and Texts, the article Hindu deities, and many articles that use the term "deities". For the sake of consistency, and in order to change a term that is used so widely, you should begin a discussion at the WikiProject Hinduism Notice Board: WT:HINDU. If there is a better term, that's the place to find consensus. &#2384; Priyanath talk 15:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's an excellent point, I am new here Priyanath, I never thought of that. I assumed because of the wide use of this template I should come here first, but I will post this in the aforementioned section.--ॐJesucristo301 17:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Budhha is also one of the Deities in Hindu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunsridharur (talk • contribs) 04:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Devi bhakta's recent edits
I have undone the edits by the aformentioned user. He/she added "Denominations" to the template which was unneccesary and innaccurate. --ॐJesucristo301 01:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You feel adding "Denominations" to the template is "unneccesary and innaccurate."

So let's discuss. Why is it unnecessary? How is it inaccurate?

I would think, on a template purporting to guide users to Hinduism resources, that links to the three or four major denominations of Hinduism -- i.e., Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism and (the arguable fourth) Smartism -- would be a no-brainer.

"Denominations" is already linked as a separate topic (meaning it is apparently *not* unnecessary?) -- and that article is in a pretty iffy state. In my reconfiguration, that page remained available, but separate links to the stronger individual articles about the main Hindu schools were added -- which would seem a really obvious and basic addition?

If this seems fantastically wrong for some reason, then I'd like to hear counter-arguments -- I am open to the possibility that I am missing something big? Otherwise, I think I made a pretty respectful and useful addition without harming or removing original content -- so why revert? I am open to compromise.

Thanks! (Devi bhakta 01:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC))


 * I agree with jesucristo that it's unnecessary. All the "Denominations" are already covered in the template with the "Denominations" link. Better to work on that article if you think it needs work. For the same reason, "Vedas" is the link in the template, rather than a link to each of four main vedas linked separately. "Upanishads" rather than listing ten different Upanishads. "Hindu Festivals", rather than listing each of many Hindu Festivals. If each Denomination, Upanishad, Hindu Festival, etc. were linked it would get unwieldy. And then you would get smaller denominations, festivals, etc. insisting they were big enough to be in the template, ad infinitum. &#2384; Priyanath talk 02:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll leave it to you. I don't think the "slippery slope" argument goes that far, though. Pick up virtually any book on Hinduism -- Western or Eastern -- and the organizing principle is the three (or four) major denominations. It is a useful starting point simply because *every* subdenomination in Hinduism fits into one of them. This basic division of the three main branches of Hinduism has stood for ages -- to me it seems like a really glaring omission. It is not like listing ten Upanisads separately; it is more like grouping Vedas, Upanisads, Epics and Puranas all under one title. It is also not like festivals -- in that festivals really could expand indefinitely, whereas the basic schools of Hinduism have been stable for centuries. My two paise ;-) (Devi bhakta 13:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC))


 * I think you would be surprised by how slippery the slope already is. I've seen Ayyavazhi scriptures added to this template (and in other areas of Wikipedia), because someone thought it a notable denomination of Hinduism. But it also helps to make an already unwieldy template a reasonable size. &#2384; Priyanath talk 17:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Devi bhakta, first I would like to say two things. 1) Welcome to Wikipedia! 2) It was not my intent to be rude. I myself am a practicing hindu.

Another arguement is that these "denominations" can not cover the entire spectrum of Hindu beliefs and will leave out many groups leaving readers semi-misinformed. Also, I'm merging this with my original subject.--ॐJesucristo301 20:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

What a paining colour!!!!!!
IMO, the present colour is very bright. An eyesore to my eyes atleast. Please revert to the previous more soothing orange.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Om Symbol


I have added this om (first image) because the previous om was not a correct representation of the symbol. The previous om (img2) is misleading and false. An om does NOT look like the second image. Anyone opposed to it? Nikkul (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The newer red Om is great. I think it should remain .--Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The new image you propose is problematic from a technical standpoint. It is compressed too much so there are artifacts, and the image is not transparent. If we can have a consensus that the form of the new image is superior to the form of the old image, I highly suggest requesting to the graphics lab to create a transparent, SVG version based on the image. That said, I believe it is much more common for the "tail" of the om to turn downwards (like the long standing image) not upwards (like the proposed new image). Can you please be more specific about how the image is misleading and false? A search of google images shows a great degree of variation between images, so it would be nice to know what criteria you are using to establish what is and isn't a proper aum. -Andrew c [talk] 04:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Both versions are fine in terms of representation, they are just different styles. So the new one is ok IF we can get it into the hands of someone who can create a high quality image without artifacts, without pixelating, without white background, without low resolution, and in non-bitmap format - i.e. svg, scalable format. In other words, the same quality as the "old" one. Otherwise we need to go back to that version. –priyanath talk 04:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please take the image to the graphics lab? Im not really sure how to do that. The image is misleading because it shows the om in a very unusual format. The image is very odd and it doesnt show the traditional om. the new image is closer to the traditional om that you would find in a temple or a chain. Nikkul (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Second Thoughts: How did I miss it? As pointed by User:Andrew c, IMO, the tail usually turns downwards. (When I draw it, I often draw it that way) The shape of new Om is more conventional than the abstract Image:Aum red.svg. But the narrower pointed end of the tail joins at the lower end. The tail goes up first, then moves to right with circular curve, moves down and then joins back at its origin or if not joined, comes near to it like the one uploaded before (pictured). --Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Filed this on the graphics lab. 68.39.174.238 17:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Return from the graphics lab: Both are legitimate images, they're just handwriting differences. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 21:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to say that I love the new Om! --ॐJesucristo301 (talk) 22:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I am fine with the new om (was ok with the previous one too!), but like Redtigerxyz, I too find the orange colour too glaring. Are there any objections to changing the colour so that it matches the swastika ? Abecedare (talk) 09:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Renewal
Maybe we can give this template a new look as this template currently looks a bit plain and boring?

Have a look at Template:Islam, and you'll understand what I mean.. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Reorganisation
In this teplate, the articles are not arranged in proper order. The major concepts of hinduism such as Brahman (the absolute truth) and its representation - Om are not mentioned at all. There is no mention of hindu philosophies - samkhya, yoga, nyaya, vaisheshika, mimamsa and vedanta. Hindu scriptures should include vedangas - shiksha, chandas, vyakarana, nirukta, kalpa and jyotisha, because of their educational value. In the present teplate, the hindu denominations, which are of not much importance are placed in a prominent place. That can come under a heading like belief and practices / culture / society. Hindu laws, calendar, artforms, festivals etc. can calso come under this head. Festivals are a part of hindu practices. Not to be included under related topics. To complete the metaphysical, epistamological and axiological concepts of Hinduism, which is more a philosophy than a religion, such an ordering is necessary. Hindu mythology is actually a repetition of the concepts in other articles. So it can come under the head - related topics. There is no mention of hindu educational systems. All there require a complete rearrangement in the template. --Naveen Sankar (talk) 08:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for discussing. Also please learn to use edit summaries—it's a courtesy to other editors. Just to be clear, your edit was more than a reorganisation, it was a complete remake of the template. So it can be discussed more clearly, these were the changes you made (which I reverted so that consensus can be reached) and thus I assume what you would like to propose:


 * 1) Main Section - remove Denominations and Mythology and replace them with Om and Brahman
 * 2) Scriptures - remove Ramayana and replace with Vedangas
 * 3) Beliefs and Practices - move the section down the template and add Varnas, Asramas, Japa, Tapasya, Mythology, Arts, Temples, Calendars, Festivals
 * 4) Related Topics - Remove Hinduism by Country, Reforms, Hindu Law, and move Ayurveda and Jyotish to top of list, and move Festivals to the Beliefs and Practices section
 * 5) Add a Hindu Philosophy section that includes: Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Purva Mimamsa, Vedanta
 * I will post a message about this at WT:HINDU so other editors can give their opinion. Since this is an important template that appears on countless articles, there should be the involvement of other editors, discussion, and consensus before making major changes to the template. I don't have time right now to get into details, since there are so many changes you would like to see, but in general several of the new topics you would like to add are covered suffiently, imo, in other articles. I also believe that Mythology and Denominations are important enough to be in the top section. Om and Brahman, I don't think so, since they are much more specific while the others are a general overview. I will add more feedback later.... Priyanath talk 15:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note the following points.

--Naveen Sankar (talk) 12:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I never meant to remove Denominations and Mythology from the template. I meant only to bring them under the appropriate title.
 * 2) I never ment to remove Ramayana, but to add Vedanga also.
 * 3) I wish to bring Denominations also under the title 'Beliefs and Practices'
 * 4) Never meant to remove Hinduism by Country from the 'Related Topics' section.  It can be there.
 * 5) Hindu Philosophy section is a must. Because, it is very particular and peculiar to this religion.


 * I agree that "Philosophy" definitely needs a link, but not each individual one - Vedanga, Nyaya, Vaisheshkika, etc. The template is confusing, because the heading "Beliefs and Practices" is (was, by the time you read this) a link to Hindu Philosophy, which doesn't make any sense. For now, I removed the link from that header, and put a link just under it titled Philosophy that goes to the Hindu Philosophy page. That Philosophy page has links to the main philosophies. Priyanath talk 23:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

My edits were recently reverted so wanted to clarify: -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC) Regarding Modifications:-
 * A violation of WP:OVERLINK: Om (2 links) • Brahman (3 links) • Ishvara (3 links) Hindu (2 links) • History of Hinduism (2 links)
 * Deities: Brahman, Ishvara are not strictly deities, they are concepts. Ayyappa is a regional deity (WP:UNDUE). The name Murugan is the most famous name. Trimurtis is incorrect English, Trimurti refers to the group.
 * The templates are supposed to repositories of subjects that the reader can browse through. Thus, red links are a strict no-no as they do not add any value to the template.
 * I hope you like the new look of Hinduism template.
 * Since the subjects Om, Brahman, Ishvara, Hindu and History are somewhat primary and priliminary, I wish to retain it outside the subject-wise boxes also. Retaining these topics outside also gives a better appearance.
 * "Brahman" is required under Deities heading because a major sect of Hinduism considers Brahman as Sagunabrahman - which has attributes. It is also required under Hindu philosophy because it is a major concept of Hindu Philosophy.  There is no repetition under same titles.  So please do not consider it as an over link.
 * If required, let us remove the topics "Hindu" and "History of Hinduism" from "Other Topics" section.
 * Ayyappa may be a regional deity, but prominent all over South India. Some temples are there in North India also.
 * In the case of Murugan, it is the regional name of the deiti. The name Murugan is not so much famous in North India. Kartikeya is the famous name in North India.  I assume Subrahmanya is known in entire India. Tamilians and Malayalis also use the name Subrahmanya.  But necessary, the name can be changed.
 * Based on your points the title Trimurtis can be changed to Trimurti.
 * The considerable modifications made on the template is very reent. Please wait for some days.  I have a plan to "bluing" the red links.

Thanks.. Naveen Sankar (talk) 07:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Hare Krishna
It seems like someone added "Hare Krishna"-centric links to the top of the Hinduism template. Many of the links were contained elsewhere in the template and it appeared as if they were placed at the top of the template only to attract attention to them, implying that the Hare Krishna organization and Vaishnavism as a whole are the entirety of Hinduism and I found it misleading.ॐJesucristo301 (talk) 21:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

"Part of a series" redux
I repeat verbatim User:JimWae's question above:

"Part of a series" implies there is some co-ordination by some group of every article to which the template is stamped. Is there such a group? ...and if there were, do the rules of wikipedia allow such a group to control a subset of wikipedia articles? The template is intended as a navigational aid, not as a stamp of approval upon an article. Would not "Related articles on..." be a more approriate lead-in? ---JimWae 06:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Most articles that have this template are not part of any series; often they aren't even included in the template. Can we please avoid sticking this template on every single article, and avoid such grasping language? For now, I've changed "Part of a series on Hinduism" to "An article related to Hinduism": improvements are welcome, but please not "part of a series". Shreevatsa (talk) 06:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Code updates
We've got a problem with uncommunicative editors undoing some significant cleanup of the underlying code for this template which turns it into an instance of sidebar with collapsible lists, presumably for minor aesthetic quibbles which could be easily fixed. I'll be updating the code again (to the version in the sandbox) in a few days: if there are any particular issues with the new code please specify them and I'll try to accommodate productive suggestions. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 14:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've now re-synced this. If editors still have problems with the colours (which I can only assume was the issue here, given the complete lack of constructive discussion) then please feel free to tinker with them in the new codebase. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hinduism Title Text Color
Might it be better to have the template's "Hinduism" title set in a color that is not red? The reasoning for this being that, on first glance, it looks like a red link. Perhaps it should be set in either the standard link blue or a different color that is representative of the religion. -Martinman (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Recent edit by Thumperward
Thumperward, U changed the entire font of the template to a horrible size and width on 5th March. Would u like to explain your edits here ? 1.23.139.226 (talk) 10:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It was part of a complete overhaul of the codebase which ironically was partially in order to make it easier to change the colours in future. I'll see if I can preserve the current garish layout when once again restoring that code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm getting tired of this unconstuctive edit warring. Anonymous, what exactly do you hope to accomplish by continually reverting with no constructive input? This template is not going to remain an ugly and unmaintainable mess indefinitely just because one IP likes the pretty colours. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 May 2013
please add in the portion practices of Hinduism and in the portion of festival edit Durga puja

113.193.17.62 (talk) 10:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)siliguri I am Amit Talukder I am a bengali hindu:


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: I corrected the formatting of this and I'm going to leave it open for someone a bit more familiar with the subject area to address. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done with this edit. I added a link to Durga Puja in the Practices | Festivals list section. I hope that's correct. Begoon &thinsp; talk  11:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Assorted issues
I'm not really an editor, but I've been poking through the Hinduism articles looking for some demographic statistics (which I have yet to find, although there's plenty of info on how many billion useless fictional units of measure are in another useless fictional unit of measure), and I've noticed the "Hinduism" infobox has some issues. The "Panini" link goes to the character of the same name from the C.H. Greenblatt cartoon Chowder, and the "Saiva" link goes to a genus of Asian lanternbugs.

The actual Shaivism page opens with the assertion that it's "one of the four most widely followed sects of Hinduism". Likewise the Shaktism page asserts that it is "along with Shaivism and Vaishnavism, one of the primary schools of devotional Hinduism", which was slightly perplexing to me as I wasn't sure what "devotional" meant, the article didn't explain or link the word to an explanation, and the Hinduism articles are so inconsistently written in general that I was tempted to think it meant nothing of consequence and the two articles simply disagreed on whether there were three schools or four. Although whether schools are the same as sects is still not entirely clear to me, this infobox lists SIX "Astika" schools, one of which is Vaishnavism, (and then three more in parentheses, or perhaps those are subschools of the last school on the list?), and then five "other orthodox schools", one of which is Saiva. Shakti is not mentioned in the "schools" section of the infobox at all, but IS listed in the deities section, while with Shaiva it's the reverse.

Sisterly harmer (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

P.S.

I was tempted to think Shaktism was some upstart cult or something, but no, if you go to the page "Hindu denominations", it says quite unambiguously:

"Hinduism is the dominant religion of the Indian subcontinent. It comprises three major traditions, Shaivism, Vaishnavism and Shaktism, whose followers considered Shiva, Vishnu and Shakti to be the supreme deity respectively."

This is (to my untrained eye, at least) a simple, comprehensible, fairly ontologically basic distinction, which explains why the hinduism infobox ignores it entirely and instead gives you lists of things like "Samskaras". You may ask "What's a Samskara? If it's an important enough concept in Hinduism that I'm expected to learn it rather than be provided with a translation, why isn't it in the list of Hindu "Concepts" earlier in this same fucking worthless infobox?"

Here's what I say to you, hypothetical cranky wikipedia user. First, there's no need to be rude. Second, did you actually READ the list of Samskaras? Did it occur to you that perhaps the term could be concisely and comprehensibly defined by simply listing its members?

Samskaras Garbhadhana Pumsavana Simantonayana Jatakarma Namakarana Nishkramana Annaprashana Chudakarana Karnavedha Vidyarambha Upanayana Praishartha Keshanta Ritushuddhi Samavartana Vivaha Antyeshti

• silently running away into the distance, having crept out of earshot while you were reading the list of Samskaras •

Icon change and edit war by Pradyumnas741
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Consider the scholarly literature. Hinduism is complicated. It is a way of life. It has a lot of diversity. It has many schools, many deities, many paths (e.g. Bhakti - Hare Krishna versus Yoga versus Vedanta versus etc), and even monism and atheism are part of Hinduism according to scholarly literature (Read: Julius Lipner, Hindus: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices, 2nd Edition, Routledge, ISBN 978-0-415-45677-7). Indonesian Hindus have their own system of beliefs. If you wish to make changes, propose your changes here, and justify your proposal with verifiable and reliable scholarly sources. Then wait for comments. Once a consensus is reached, appropriate changes to the icon can then be made. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, the svg version is better (and has proper transparency for the background). Frietjes (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2014
Within "Gurus, saints, philosophers", move Annamacharya from "Ancient" to "Medieval".

Guijauregui (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2015
119.226.11.2 (talk) 04:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Kshatriya society India

1. Rajput Vans It is very interesting for the current generation to know that your family stream goes back to one Rajput Raja - Lord Emperor. A Rajput vansha tree begins with one of the 36 Rajvansha. Renouned research scholars of our community Late Dr. Indradev Singh Nikumbh and Thakur Ishwarsingh Madadh had published Kshatriya Bhaskar and Rajput Vanshawali after studying different materials on Rajput Vansha. They also included valuable informations by one english scholar Col. Tod. Here we are giving a brief summary of popular vanshas. You can try to search history of your forefathers and to relate your family with appropriate Rajput King.

2.Suryavansha

Badgujar Kshatriya: Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kalika. From the vansha of Ramchandraji. Branches - Sikarwar, Khadal, Batela, Raghav, Chopra, Bafna etc.

Gyatvanshi Kshatriya: Tirthankar Mahavir was Rajput Kshatriya and belongs to this vansha. He later formed Jain Dharma.

Gour, Goud Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Mahakali. Ishta - Hridradev. From the vansha of Lord Raja Jayadrata, Sinhaditya, Laxmanaditya also belongs to this vansha. States - Ajmer, Takshasheela, Awadh, Gohati, Shivgarh. Branches - Amethiya Kshatriya. Total 5 branches. Existed from 1290.

Raikwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. King Suval, Shakuni belongs to this vansha. States - Raikagarh near Jammu, Ramnagar, Rampur, Mathura etc. Named Raikwar as they belongs to Raikgarh. This is a branch of Rathor.

Sikarwar Kshatriya: Shikharwal, Sakarwar are the same. Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. Devata - Vishnu. This is a branch of Badgujar. Many kings belongs to this vansha. State - Shikarwar (City). Branches - Kadoliya, Saraswar etc.

Dixit Kshatriya: Dikhit. Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Devi - Durga (Chandi). King Durgbhav belongs to this vansha. Samtat Vikramaditya has given them the title of Dixit as they belongs to Dikhitana. Being from the vansha of Raja Durgbhav the are called Durgvanshi. King Udaybhan, Banwarisingh, Gaibarshah also belongs to this vansha. Branches - Durgvanshi, Kinwar. States - Nevnatangarh, Umri, Phulwariya. Dixit surname also comes under Bhumihar caste which is different.

Gohil Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Banamata. Kuldev - Mahadev. Branches - Vajasniya. This is a branch of Gahlod vansh. Maharaja Gohil founded a state at the basin of Luni river which includes 350 villeges with capital Khergarh. State - Sourashtra, Kathiyawarh, Gohilwarh, Bhavnagar, Sihor, Palitana etc. Grahadatta was the first king from Gohin vansha. Great king Shiladitya also belongs to this vansha. This vansha existed from 703. This is a branch of Gahlod.

Suryavanshi Kshatriya: These are Suryavanshi Kshatriya and their kul is also Suryavanshi. Gothra - Bhardwaj, Kashyap, Savanya. Guru - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. King Akaldev, Tilakdev etc. belongs to this vansha. States - Shrinagar and Garhwal.

Singhel Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kali. State - Sinhalgarh. Being from Sinhalgarh they are called Singhel. Branches - Chhokar, Jadeja, Jaiswal, Khagar, Kharbad. Sub-Branch - Jadoun.

Thakur Kshatriya: Thakur - Thakurai Kshatriya are Suryavanshi. Thakur is their Kul also. Notice: Thakur is not our caste, our caste is Rajput Kshartiya. Thakur is a title given to Rajput Kshatriya. There is also a different caste called thakur.

Nimivanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved, Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. This vansha is named after Nimi, son of Maharaja Ishwaku. Branch - Nimodi kshatriya.

Sisodiya Kshatriya (Branch of Gahlod) : Rana Vansha Being from Sisoda village they are called Sisodiya. This is a third branch of historical Gahlod Rajputs. They have same Gothra, Ved, Kuldevi and Isht dev as for Gahlod Vansha. The great heroes from history like Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji belongs to Sisodiya Vansha. State - Udaypur. Ranawat, Chundawat, Sangawat, Meghawat, Jagawat, Shaktawat, Kanhawat etc are included. This is just like Chundawat is a son of Chunda, Shaktawat is a son of Shaktisingh. In Sanskrit, meaning of "wat" is son. The name of Kul begins with the name of Rajput King. The Rajput king who fighted in a battlefield (Ran) has given a title Rana and those who fought greatly were awared with a title Maharana.

Kachhwah Kshatriya: (Kushwah). Gothra - Goutam, Vashishtha, Manavya, Baharspatya. Kuldevi - Durga. Isht - Ramchandraji. From the vansha of Kusha. Famous king Prithviraj belongs to this vansha. They have 21 branches - Narwar, Gwalior, Drawakunda, Majkotiya, Jasrotiya, Jammuwal, Dhar etc. Semi-branches are Shekhawat, Dudhawat, Ratnawat, Rajwat, Bakawat, Pahadi Suryavanshi, Naruka, Jamuwal, Gudwar, Rai Malot, Mounas Kaushik, Manhas, Minhas etc. State - Rohtasgarh, Amer, Jaipur, Amethi, Karmati, Fort of Gwalior. Kings from this vansh are Sumitra, Suryasen, Sawai Jaishingh etc. Their state existed from 1503 to (Sawai Jaisingh) 1930. There are also many branches and sub-branches of this vansha.

Rathor Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam, Kashyap, Shandilya. Ved - Samved, Yajurved. Devi - Pankhani (Vindhyavasini). Isht - Ramchandraji. Kings belongs to this vansh are Raav Bika (14650, King Jaichand, Veer Durgadas Rathor, Veer Amarsingh Rathor etc. States - Idar, Jodhpur, Marwad, Bikaner, Kishangarh, Kannouj. Having 24 branches and many sub-branches like - Chandawat, Champawat, Jaitawat, Jhabua, Kumpawat, Kailwarh, Raikwarh, Surwarh, Jayas, Kanoujia, Bikawat, Dangi, Kotecha, Kupawat, Jodhawat etc.

Nikumbha Kshatriya: Gotra - Vashishtha, Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kalika. Nikumbha, Sagar, Bhagirath etc. were the kings from this vansha. States - Mandalgarh, Fort of Alwar etc. Branch - Kathariya.

Shrinet Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Chandrika. This is a branch of Nikumbha. Kings from this vansha are Dirghabahu, Bahusuket, Shakun Dev etc. State - Kapilvastu, Shrinagar etc. Narouni Kshatriya is one of its branch. Being originated from Shrinagar they are called Shrinet.

Nagvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap, Shunak. Isht Dev - Nag Devta. Raja Ashwasen, Ritusen belong to this vansha. State - Mathura, Marwad, Kashmir, Chhota Nagpur. Branches - Taank, Katoch, Takshak etc.

Bais Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Kalika. Ved - Yajurved. Isht Dev - Shivji. First king from this vansha was Harshawardhan. Other kings are Trilokchand, Vikramchand, Kartikchand, Ramchandra, Adharchandra, Narwardhan, Rajyawardhan etc. States - Baiswada, Pratishthanpur etc. Branches - Trilokchandi, Kotbahar, Rawat, Pratishthanpuri, Dodiya, Chandosiya, Kumbhi, Narwariya etc. Being originated from Baiswada they are called Bais.

Bisen Kshatriya: Gothra - Parashar, Bhardwaj, Shandilya, Atri, Vatsya. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Durga. Kings from this vansha are Mayurbhatt, Birsen. Vansh Bisen obtain its name from Raja Birsen. States - Bisenvatika, Gorakhpur, Mankapur, Pratapgarh. Branches - Donwar, Bambwar, Bamtola.

Goutam Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Durga. Isht Dev - Ramchandraji. This is the vansh who destroyed Shakya Dynesty. Branches - Kandawar, Antoyya, Rawat, Maurya, Goniha. Lord Goutam Buddha was born in this vansha, then after he founded Boudha Dhamma. Mahapurush Dhumraj also belongs to this Vansha. Note: Bhoomihar community also has a caste Goutam which is different.

Raghuvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap, Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. This vansha is named after Suryavanshi King Raghu who was born in the 54th generation of King Ishwaku. Raja Raghu was a great warrior, he conqured in all the directions and when he returned to his capital he performed Vishwajeet Yagya and donate all his wealth to the Bramhins. He defeated Kings of Suhadra desh, Bang desh, Basins of Ganga river. He marched towards north by defeating the kings of Durdul and Malay mountains. He destroyed the Hoon Kshatriyas and expanded his regime upto kailash. The history of Raghuwansh is very famous.

Rawat Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Chandika. Vethhar is their place of orgin. This is a branch of Bais, and according to Kshatriya Bhaskar this is also a branch of Goutam.

Pundir Kshatriya: Gothra - Pulutsya. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Dahima. Veer Pundhir was the first king from this vansha. This vansha was very popular during the regime of Prithviraj Chouhan. Kulwal, Kanpuriya and Dhakad are its branches. Pundhir is Suryawanshi Kshatriya, Hrishivanshiya. This is a branch of Dahima Kshatriya. Lahore was their state. Being from the vansha of Punchrik they called Pundhir. Their ansistors ruled on Telangana (Andhra) and their territory was Jasmor. The world famous Shakhumbari Devi Fair is organised in this state. This temple is situeated in the terrains of Shivalik Temple.

Other Suryawanshi Kul Amethiya kshatriya from Amethi, Gohil, Kaktiya, Udmatiya, Madiyar, Chumiyal, Kulwal, Donwar, Dhakar, Maurya, Kakan, Shanguvanshi, Bambobar, Cholavanshi, Pundir, Dogra, Lichhawi etc.

3. Chandravansha Somvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Mahalaxmi. King Lakhansen was one of the king from this vansha. State - Pratapgarh.

Yadav Kshatriya: Gothra - Kondinya. Ved - Yajurved. Guru - Durvasa. Kuldevi - Jogeshwari. Lord Vishnu was born in this vansha. Raja Arjundev was also from this vansha. States - Dwarka, Karoli, Kathiyawara.

Bhati Kshatriya: They are also called as Somvanshi. Somvanshi belongs to the vansha of Pradyumna, elder brother of Lord Krishna. The first king from this vansha was Raja Jaisa Bhati. This brave king was the son of Baland Yadav. Raja Gajsingh, Abhaypal, Prithvipal, Maharawal, Ranjitsingh, Maharawal Shalini Vahan were also the kings from this vansha. State Jaisalmer, Sirmur, Mysore, Karoli, Jaisawat. Branches - Sirmour, Jaiswar, Sarmour, Sirmuria, Kaleria Kshatriya, Jadeja. Rawal Jaisal founded Jaisalmer. The temple, palaces of this city are build from yellow stone. Raja Rawal ruled from 1212.

Jadeja Kshatriya: At some places this vansha is also called as Chudasa. State - Gondal state, Navnagar (Gujarat).

Tanwar/Tomar Kshatriya: Gothra - Gargya. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. This is a branch of Yaduvanshi. Sinharaj was the first king from this vansha who ruled from 1013. Angpal and Tungpal were also from this vansha. Tomar vansha begins from Tungpal. He was the son of king Yayati from the vansha of Puru. States - Delhi, Gwalior, Nuspur (Himachal), Paatan (Sikat). Branches - Sub Branches - Beruar, Birwar, Badwar, Katiyar, Katouch, Jinwar, Indoria Kshatriya and Tirota Kshatriya. Indoria Kshatriya has branches - Raikwar, Jaiwar.

Kalchuri Kshatriya: Kalchuriya : This is a Haihya Kshatriya Vansh. Gothra - Krishnatreya, Kashyap. Kuldevi - Durga and Vindhyavasini. Devta - Shivji. Raja Kartvirya was from this vansha. States - Ratanpur, Raipur, Koushal (M.P.) and Mahashati City. The inscription from this vansha are kept in a museum at Nagpur.

Koushik Kshatriya: Gothra - Koushik. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. Devta - Shiv. Raja Koushik belongs to this vansha. State - Gorakhpur, Gopalpur.

Sengar Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam, Shandilya. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Vindhyavasini. River - Sengar. Kings from this vansha are Chitrarath, Dashrath, Dharmrath. States - Chedipradesh, Dakshinpradesh, Sourashtra, Malwa, Champanagari.

Chandel Kshatriya: Gothra - Chandatreya (Chandrayan), Sheshdhar, Parashar and Goutam is also found. Kuldevi - Maniyadevi. Devta - Hanumanji. Veer Shishupal, Chandrabramha (Chandravarma), Yashovarman was from this vansha. This vansha defined itself. State - Chanderi (Gwalior). Many brave kings were from this vansha. Chandel, Chanderi nagar, Khajuraho Temple, Madan Sagar of Mahoba are the glory symbols of this vansha. The mark of Hanuman was engraved on the coins of Chandel vansha.

Gaherwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Devta - Vishnu, Mahadev. State - Kashi and Kashipuri. Kashya, Dinadas, Manikchand were the kings from this vansha. Bundela is a branch of Gaherwar vansha and Bundelkhand is the state of Bundela vansha. Kherwad is the branch of Bundela.

Janwar/Janakwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Koushik. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Chandika. Research and historical inscription has proved that this vansha belongs to Maharaj Janmejay, grandson of Arjun. States - Chhaoni in Gujarat, Japaner near Nimach and Pawagarh.

Jhala Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Durga, Mahakali. Isht - Mahadev. Veer Kundmal, Harpal, Vijaypal were from this vansha. States - Kuntalpur, Sekhrigarh, Krantigarh, Bikaner, Kathiyawarh, Jhalawarh, Limdi. When the three prince of Raja Harpal and Rani Shaktidevi were playing, an elephant lifted them. Rani Shaktidev catched them ("Jhel lena" in hindi) in her hands and from then this vansha is named Jhala.

Palwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Vayaghra. Ved - Samved. Dev - Nag. As they lived in Pali village, this vansha is named as Palawar.

Gangavanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kanvayan. Ved - Samved. This vansha was named after Raja Gangeya. The famous Jagannath temple at Puri was build by this vansha. This vansha also has its own calender.

Biladariya Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. Raja Bhogpal migrated to Biladar and thereafter this vansha comes into existance.

Puruvanshi Kshatriya (Paur): Gothra - Bahryasptya. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Durga. Devta - Shiv. Paurav (Poras) was the son of King Ila. He fought with Alexander at the basin of river Jhelum. Branch - Bhardwaj.

Khaati Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri, Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. They are the Kshatriya from Garhwal. Kursela was their state. They are Bihari Kshatriya.

Kanhvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kanhvansha begins from Raja Kanhsingh. The city of Kanpur is founded by them. Kaithola was their capital. Branch - Kanpuria.

Kuruvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Devta - Bandi. Kuruvansha begins fromm Raja Kuru and Yaduvansha begins from Raja Yadu.

Katouch Kshatriya: The fort and temple of Kangra (Himachal) was build by Katouch Kshatriya Vansha. The temple of Ambika devi is situated inside the fort. Branch - Jaswal, Guleria.

Banafar Kshatriya: Gothra - Koundilya, Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Sharda. King Daksharaj and Bachharaj belongs to this vansha. Brave Alha and Udal were their sons also known as Malkhan and Sulkhan respectively. Pathania is their branch.

Bhardwaj Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Sharda. Bhardwaj vansha begins from king Puru.

Sarniha Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. They belongs to Sarangarh and hence called as Sarniha Kshatriya. Branch - Karmwar/Karamwar.

Drahyavanshi Kshatriya: This vansha begins from Raja Drahayu, the thirt brother of Raja Yadu. Tripura was their capital. This vansha is from Bengal.

Choukatkhamb Kshatriya: This vansha found its name (Choukatkhamb) as the used to break apart the pillars (Khamb) of the Rath of enemy to defeat them. Branch - Bachhil. Note: Gargvanshi, Bachhil, Jadeja, Bundela, Jaiwar, Katiaar etc are also comes in Chandravansha.

4. Agnivansha Parmar Kshatriya: Pramar, Parmar, Pambubar. Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Sinchimaay Mata, Durga in North India, Kali in Ujjain. Their ancient capital was Chandrawati, situated 4 miles away from Abu station. This vansha evolves out from the Agni Kunda of Yagya on the Abu mountain."Parajan Marithi Parmar" means "Vansha which defeats the enemy" hence it is called Parmar. Great Brave king Vikramaditya, Raja Bhoj, Shalinivahan, Gandharwasen were from this vansha. States - Malwa, Dharanagari, Dhar, Devas, Narsinghgarh, Ujjain. Samrat Vikramaditya was also recognised as a great ruler by the muslim community. According to the book Shayar ul Okul at Makab e Sultania, His glory was written on a golden plate kept at Kaba. It is also mentioned in Shayar ul Okul that Khushnuba dhoop was the giving of Vikramaditya. The entire world knows that Shivling and Kutubminar were build in Kaba by Vikramaditya. Parmar Kshatriya has 35 branches which includes Pawar, Baharia, Ujjainia, Bholpuria, Sounthia, Chawda, Sumda, Sankla, Doda, Sodha, Bharsuria, Yashoverma, Jaivarma, Arjunvarma etc. King Umravsingh, Jaiprakashsingh, Babusahabjadasingh were belongs to Ujjaini Kshatriya. The great Kunwarsingh Mahaveer was the son of Babusahabjadasingh.

Solanki Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj, Manavya, Parashar. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kali. In South India they are also known as Chalukya or Choulukya. Kings Prithvidev, Madansingh was from this vansha. Madanakul was build by King Madansingh. King Chandradeep Narayan singh also from this vansha who build an ashram for Mahatma Gandhi on his own land. This ashram is known as Hajipur congress ashram. States - Ayodhya, Kalyan, Andhra, Paatan, Gangatat. Solanki Kshatriya has 16 branches which includes Baghela, Baghel, Solanke, Kataria, Sikharia, Sarakia, Bharsuria, Tantia etc. This vansha is existed from 1079.

Parihar Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Kuldevi - Chamunda. Isht - Lord Vishnu. The first king from this vansha was Nagbhatta. The great king Harishchandra was also from this vansha. He has two wifes, one was a Brahmin and the other was Kshatriya. States - Kathiwarh, Ayodhya, Kurukshetra to Banaras, Bundelkhand, upto Himachal. This vansha has 19 branches which includes Surawat, Chandrawat, Gajkeshar, Badkeshar, Chandrayan, Kalhansa etc. The state of Kalhansa Kshatriya was at Basti (U.P.). Many kings were born in this vansha. Chopra Kshatriya vansha is also one of its sub-branch. This vansha is existed from 894.

Chouhan Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Ashipuri. Guru - Vashishtha. Isht - Mahadev. Devta - Shrikrishna. Samrat Prithviraj Chouhan, Lakha (1451) were from this vansha. States - Bundi, Kota, Sirohi, Asthir. Delhi, Ajmer, Bhadoch, Dholpur was also come under their regime. They build beautiful lakes. Samrat Prithviraj Chouhan defeated Mohammad Ghori several times and forgive him later 16 times. The coward Mohammad Ghori deceitfully arrested Prithviraj Chouhan and take out both his eyes. Like Arjun, Prithviraj Chouhan was very fluent in his verbal approach. There are many other kings also belongs to this vansha. Chouhan Kshatriya Vansha has 25 branches, sub-branches includes Hada, Khinchi, Bhadoria, Songar, Songara, Devra, Rajkumar, Sambharia, Gadharia, Bhurecha, Balecha, Tassera, Chachera, Bhawar, Bankat, Bhople etc. Chouhan vansha existed from 1067.

Hada Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Devi - Ashapuri. Guru - Vashishtha. Ved - Samved. King Maniklal was from Hada vansha. One of the famous personality from this vansha is Ramdeva. Hada Kshatriya Vansha is also popularly known as Hadouti. States - Bundi, Kota. There is a history of Brave Hada Rani. Branches - Udawat, Devra, Devre, Jaitawat, Chandrawat.

Songira Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Kuldevi - Chandi. Ved - Samved. King Kirtipal, Samarsingh, Udaysingh, Samantsingh, Kanhdev, Maldev belongs to this vansha. The fort of Jalor was captured by this vansha. The mother of Maharana Pratap was from this vansha. Branch - Bhadoria. Songira Kshatriya is a branch of Chouhan Kshatriya.

Baghel Kshatriya: Baghela/Baaghela. Gothra - Bhardwaj, Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Kali. This vansha derive its name from their ancistor Vyaghradev. Many brave perfonalities were born in this vansha. State - Madarv, Pandu, Pothapur, Nayagarh, Ranpura etc. This is a branch of Solanki. Branch of Baghel Kshatriya is Pawar.

Bhadoria Kshatriya: Gothra etc. are the same as that of Chouhan Kshatriya. They ruled on Bhadawar and hence named as Bhadoria. This is a branch of Songara.

Bachgoti Chouhan Kshatriya: They derived mis-spelled name from Vatsa Gotri and called themselves as Bachgoti Kshatriya. Rajkumar and Rajwar are their branches.

Khinchi Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa and Goutam is also found. Ved - Samved. Devi - Bhagwati. Kings Bhagwatrai, Gugalsingh and Jaisingh were from this vansha. Khinchipur was their state. Raja Bhagwatrai has translated 7 stories of Ramayana into poems very beautifully. He has also written Hanuman Pachhisi. This is a branch of Chouhan Kshatriya.

Dogra Kshatriya: They are the natives of Kashmir. Gothra - Kashyap. States - Jammu, Balia.

Other Vansha (Kul): Negi Kshatriya, Katnaas etc. are also Agnivanshi Kshatriya.

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 * ❌ as you are in the wrong place, since this page is only to discuss improvements to Template:Hinduism not dicuss broader issues.

Excessive detail
Isn't this template a little long and excessively detailed? I appreciate the collapsed state, but this only functions if the reader has javascript enabled. If it were part of an article, I'd tend to delete most of it for WP:OVERLINKING and trivial detail. How many of these links actually get used? We shouldn't have to provide direct links to everything, wouldn't linking to the core Hinduism articles and directories be enough? – Reidgreg (talk) 12:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The WP:Overlink applies to articles as you hint, not templates. The javascript issue is something that needs community wide debate, as it is not unique to this template. This and other religion templates are merely navigation aids, most readers probably will ignore it and wikipedia app for mobile devices does not even display it. Hinduism is a complex subject with many traditions, with diverse important articles. Yes, some links in the "Gurus, saints, philosophers" can be taken out, but other sections indeed contain links to important articles. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Uncollapsed it's what, maybe three-and-a-half screens worth? And I'd wager a good number of the articles it's on also have one or more Hinduism-related navboxes at the bottom of the article (which I'd argue is a better place for these links).  I appreciate your attention and hope you'll keep this in mind with future proposed additions. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2018
Under Society, the link Varna redirects to Varna (the Bulgarian city) instead of Varna (Hinduism). 94.189.237.52 (talk) 01:09, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

In, replace   with:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.237.52 (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Done.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   03:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2018
Please add Shriram Sharma in gurus, saint, philosophers section-->Modern because he has his own wikipedia page and was great philosopher, saint, translated vedas and founded All World Gayatri Pariwar Shivamdpatel (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ That article (Shriram Sharma) is atrocious. It's promotional, non-neutral and badly-written.  Clean it up and ask again. Fish +Karate  14:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

What does it do?
--Thnidu (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. I am using my mobile device, and I happened upon Ms Sarah Welsh's comment above, specifically
 * ...wikipedia app for mobile devices does not even display it.

This ought to appear as a warning somewhere high up in the documentation. I'm not putting it in, though, because I can't even see it, and anyway it should be done by someone active in the project. --Thnidu (talk) 01:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Image template vandalism

 * There has been image template vandalism past few days, please take note. 117.198.242.203 (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

"Gurus, Sa[i]nts, Philosophers"
Is the word "saints" misspelt in that area, or is there just a word that I don't know of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bug2266 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Sants is a word, and it is not same as saints. See this for an RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Significant changes and non-RS plugs into the template
I have reverted some of the changes in recent weeks. Let us discuss the changes and I urge the editors to provide WP:RS to support any changes they make. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2019
MAHE Mahabharata Digital Concordance http://mahabharata.manipal.edu/ shall be included in External Links below Rajatapithapura (talk) 09:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We don't include external links in Templates. Did you mean to post this somewhere else? NiciVampireHeart 16:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2021
Add Grāmadevatā to the "Other topics" section. 216.158.244.248 (talk) 00:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Could "Deities" be a more appropriate section? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 09:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰: I don't think the IP will respond...
 * I do agree that "Deities" is a more appropriate section. Maybe you will feel like making the change now? ~  Aseleste charge-paritytime 13:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  I hope I got the section right, and as I did not see any order in the items, I added the article to the end. Feel free to change that if it is not correct. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Should Jai Shri Ram be in this template?
If you have an opinion, please join Talk:Jai_Shri_Ram. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)