Template talk:House of Bernadotte

This template tend to jam up the layout in every article where it appears. Couldn't it be made horizontal and added at the bottom of the pages together with the succession boxes and stuff instead? This also applies to all the other "House of.." templates used in articles about Swedish monarchs.

/ Mats Halldin (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm all for it. The present system is consistent with most non-Swedish royalty articles, though, so you might want to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Royalty before going ahead. -- Jao 08:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response,
 * I've posted on the project page and made a proposal at User:Mats Halldin/Workshop.
 * / Mats Halldin (talk) 12:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I like it very much! -- Jao 13:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, while the right-hand side template can mess up the text (I remember wrestling for hours with that when I did my House of Habsburg template), the bottom of article pages can get very cluttered, especially those of ruling royalty. See for example Alfonso XIII of Spain. If you're going to have sucession/children templates, at least the right hand side is relatively out-of-the-way.--Lec CRP1 16:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I get your point (Alfonso XIII looks like the chest of a Soviet war hero, *grin*). Seriously, templates related to Swedish royalties aren't that popular, so, in my opinion, additional templates in the end of articles is not a real problem for those articles.  The Alfonso XII case is similar to that of many countries (both cases tend to have loads of templates at the bottom) and I'm sure collapsed templates have been developed to deal with the problem.  Most of the Swedish articles are quite short and I believe collapsed templates "out of the way" is the best choice for them.
 * Also, please note I'm not sure at all templates limited to succession/children is the best choice for a template - I just copied the stuff already present in the current template. Why not include queens, dates, battles, etcetera?  In a collapsed template even family trees might be included!  However, for now, the goal of my proposal is limited to improve the layout of the articles in their present state.
 * / Mats Halldin (talk) 22:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If the articles on Swedish kings are short, then they should be expanded. I mean, most of them lived an awful long time.  Gustav V lived until the age of 92, but only gets 9 paragraphs!  He must have done something in those years.  For minor princes and princesses, probably best to use a shortened version of the template with one or two generations of the family in (see for example Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha)- no real need for, say, Prince Erik to have the full Bernadotte template.  I only put my full-size Habsburg templates into the articles on Emperors.--Lec CRP1 19:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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A request for comments which may impact this template has been started at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies. You are welcome to comment there. Fram (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

What's at the bottom?
At the bottom I find "** also prince/princess of Norway; ^ lost his title due to an unequal marriage; *** Prince of Sweden by marriage only" - what places in text ort lists does all that refer to? Can't seem to find them. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)