Template talk:Infobox Disney attraction/Archive 1

Template: Disney show
I've made it so "Name", "Park(s)" & "First Run" are required, the rest are optional. I'd like to make it able for a user to enter another optional and dynamic "(park) Run:" so people can put in each park it is run in, but I don't know how to do it. Also note that I copied Template: Disney ride and edited it to this. --blm07 15:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

"First Run" is now "Original Run". I've made it so that "Park(s)" is no longer required, this is so because "Original Run" would already display all parks that it was in. --blm07 05:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

New infobox
Since I was never happy with the super duper simple templates (Template:Disney show & Template:Disney ride) I've been tinkering with a brand spanking new infobox template for the past couple of hours.

Check out Template:Infobox Disney attraction, it can be used for Disney shows and rides and it looks as nice as the infobox on some articles. To see it in action check out this example. It even includes a place for the four New York World's Fair attractions and sponsors for each resort used. --blm07 02:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Usage
Just copy and paste this to the top of a Disney attraction article and fill it out. All resort entries are optional, but when you use one you must enter a date as well. Check this page for an example.

To create entry with multiple parks or dates:

Magic Kingdom Epcot

October 1, 1971 October 1, 1982

Output:

Magic Kingdom Epcot

October 1, 1971 October 1, 1982

The infobox that WikiProject Disneyland uses was expanded and modified to create this one. The "programming" was put together thanks to various infoboxes on Wikipedia by blm07 18:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Poll
I've been on Wikipedia for a while, and noticed that Disney articles infoboxes could be improved, so I've come up with this template. It won't be used for films that already use a movie template. Here are some questions:


 * 1. Should this be used as the official template on all Disney rides and shows?
 * 2. Does sponsorship information need to be included?
 * 3. Does any other information need to be included?
 * 4. Does closing date need to be included?
 * 5. If opening and closing dates are to be used, should the year be used only?

If you can put more information into the infobox without over bloating it, then explain.

My thoughts
I've thought about (and tried) to shove more information into the box, but I think it should only be for the basics.


 * 1. It looks good to me, I'll replace the old "Disney show" infoboxes with this one.
 * 2, 3, & 4. I don't think so, because it will make the box longer and the information is already in the "Attraction facts" section of the article. --blm07 20:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts
I like the box but i think the closing date would be really nice to have on there --Napnet 23:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I much prefer this box to the previous one. I like the closing date. I don't mind summarizing information from the Attraction facts and putting it at the top of the article. I would also add an attraction type (e.g., dark ride, roller coaster, 3-d film) to it. Disneyfile 19:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I would prefer not to put the type of ride in, it is often NPOV Date of closure is fine. DisneyFreak96 03:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How so? Like, the last day a ride/show operates, versus when the Disney company finally officially says it is gone? (I'd think the last official day of operation would be the intended date.) --Allen Huffman
 * I think the specific park, the land and the type or ride are critical. I think duration, max height, longest drop, number of riders per car, etc.  are nice to haves. 66.151.81.244 18:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * and what about height restrictions, fast pass, expectant mothers, etc? Bytebear 20:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fast Pass might be a good idea since it is small enough not to make a mess, but I don't think restrictions etc arn't that important for a infobox, it belongs in the attraction facts section. --blm07 20:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've tried to add closing dates and options. Check this User:Blm07/Template test and tell me what you all think. --blm07 23:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice --Napnet 17:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Final new version
Here is my near final (only tweaks after this) proposal for a new template: Template:Disney attraction infobox. Park, Opening date, Options, Sponsor, and Status are included, not to mention a few hidden options to make it very flexible. The resort header is gone and the Disney park variables are gone, that is so they can be put in order of opening. After the transition, I know a bunch of articles will have screwed up infoboxes, but I'll fix them up. --blm07 03:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Usage

 * Copy the template text from the template page.
 * Enter the parks in order of the attraction's opening date.
 * Click here to see more examples.

Definitions

 * Attraction: the name of the attraction.
 * Attraction Image: the logo or an image that represents the attraction.
 * Park: The park(s) which the attraction is in.
 * Opening: The date the attraction opened.
 * Options: Images for Fastpass, single rider & handicapped access.
 * Sponsor: The current sponsor or sponsor when attraction was closed only.
 * Status:
 * Planning phase
 * Under construction
 * Open
 * Open - "Current name"
 * Closed - Date
 * Under rehab
 * Seasonal operation

Options example


Output:

Future changes

 * Colors for each entry.
 * Customizable colors for the main text background.
 * Dynamic park numbers.

Credits
The Splash Mountain infobox and the infobox that WikiProject Disneyland uses was expanded and modified to create this one. The "programming" was put together thanks to various infoboxes on Wikipedia by blm07 03:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The alternate image and image caption was modified from Template:Infobox Album.

Big thanks to A.J. for the independent row code!

Discussion
I know I've gone through many, many changes and designs, but this should be the most flexible and complete template that could be used for attractions. It has a few hidden options to make it work better under just about any circumstance. If this becomes the standard, I'll change all of the current infobox (at least the ones that use my old infobox) information to this new one. --blm07 20:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 1. Should this be used as the standard template on all Disney rides and shows?
 * 2. Does any other information need to be included?
 * 3. If you can add any more information to the infobox without bloating it, then discuss.
 * 4. Should the "attraction facts" section of the article be removed, everything be incorporated into the infobox and have separate infoboxes for each version of the ride? (Humongous task)


 * I like this new infobox... very clean and easy to understand. I could see most everything else going in a facts area not cluttering up an info box. --Napnet 14:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This info box should be used on all disney attractions. It should be flexible enough to handle information about every attraction.  It may get large, but I doubt it will be so complicated that it becomes unusable.  It should also include optional info like the "land" the attracion is in.


 * There are also some case where the ride has a slightly differnent name in a different park, like "Soarin'" vs. "Soarin' Over California" or "Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye" and "Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Crystal Skull" both of which are essentially the same ride. Other instances the rides are completely different from park to park (see Space Mountain).


 * Other templates should be replaced with this, and explicitely indicated that they should not be used. Examples: Template:Disney ride, Template:Infobox roller coaster. . Some ideas from the roller coaster template should be incorporated.


 * There are bugs in the template already. If you define options and a sponsor, the template does not work (see Soarin' Over California).


 * The infobox should replace the "Attraction Facts" section, as it is just a list of statistics anyway.


 * An alternative to having Park 1=, Park 2=, etc, is to have multiple infoboxes per article, one for each park. Make the title and image optional so the infoboxes flow well.  This seems reasonable to me. - Bytebear 00:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Another advantage to mutliple infoboxes is that you can combine the Roller Coaster box with the Disney attraction box in cases like Rock 'n' Roller Coaster which fits into both catagories. Bytebear 00:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll think about some of those changes, but I'm not so sure about removing attraction facts and putting everything into the infobox. Separate infoboxes for each version of the ride... maybe, but that is still a big change. The only reason the template not working right in Soarin is because "park 2 Options" was not capitalized, it is working as it should. --blm07 00:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my bad on the template typo. Bytebear 01:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the info box as it is kind of based on a infobox that I added for Space Mountain in July - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Space_Mountain&oldid=65626659 - but I have some issues with it. First, the inclusion of sponsor is the most confusing. Sponsors of attractions come and go and some attractions do not have sponsors and also closing several attraction haven't closed or are not in line to do so. Maybe it's just that the few times I've used it comes out funny when I added information, so it could be a technicality on my part, but I like the info box features dates and logos/posters. It's just whenever I write Disney attraction articles I usually mention the sponsor in the article or in full attraction information featured below the article. I can revert my infobox for Astro Orbitor if you would like back to your model..--Randomgbear 21:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I based this template originally from the one in the Splash Mountain article, I thought it looked great and used it. About the Sponsor field - in this template, only one should be used: the current or sponsor when the attraction closed, and it is not a required field. I think previous sponsors should be kept in the attraction facts section as you said. The Status field isn't just for if the attraction is closed, it can be used when the attraction is open. -- blm07 22:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * you can put conditionals on the template so if you leave sponsor blank, for example, the temple knows to render correctly without that info. I still think you should look at the roller coaster template and have a separate template entry for each park, and stack them on top of each other.  This will save you from designing a template that has to handle cross-park information.  Bytebear 19:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It does render correctly if sponsor isn't used, in fact I think it renders correctly when any of the fields are missing. I'll have to wait for more votes to add all of the information like in the roller coaster template, that is a beyond huge task that I do not want to do by myself. -- blm07 19:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I will help. I have made some fairly complex templates before, and they are tricky. I am more concerned with the Park1, Park2, etc.  That is just too hard to maintain. Bytebear 19:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Duration
Where's the ride duration? I'm going to keep using Template:Disney_ride until a ride duration field is added. 1ne 17:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I never thought about adding ride duration, mostly because for rides it will always vary. A 3D film that lasts a certain amount of time, sure. But a ride length is always different due to breakdowns, current ride speed, and vehicles being backed up which are all common occurrences. Not to mention the length are almost always dramatically different in each park. -- blm07 19:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ride duration was already in Template:Disney_ride, which you got rid of in the first place. 1ne 22:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And why aren't we using Disney_ride for Disney World-exclusive rides? It's a better template for Disney World-exclusive rides...in fact, I'm going to change it from Disney_ride to Disney World ride. 1ne 23:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Now that I think about it, I think we should use mine for singular park-exclusive rides, since there's separate space for sponsors and such. I'm going to use Disney World ride (which I'll probably move back) for Disney World-only, Disneyland-only, (or Tokyo-only...you get the rest) rides, and we can use yours for multiple park rides. 1ne 23:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously we disagree about things. I don't think it is so important to have every sponsor that the attraction has had in the infobox and I don't think there needs to be templates for each resort. Maybe you should start a discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disney about your template since Disney attraction articles are part of a official Wikiproject. Didn't you see anything about my template when it was being modified for a month, why didn't you say your rejections then? I really think some kind of agreement should be made in WikiProject Disney soon. -- blm07 00:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't get this arguement. Have one Template.  Have an entry for PARK= another for LAND= another for SPONSOR=, etc.  and just stack the templates on top of each other on the page.   Bytebear 00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's how it works, people argue about things until they come up with a solution. Maybe I made my template and started using it too early, but it was months ago, back then nobody had anything but good things to say about it. I didn't want to wait an unknown amount of time to see if everyone was going to agree, I did take a month (or longer) to modify the current one so people had a chance to say something. Thats why I said since this is the sorta thing WikiProject Disney should handle, I think it should be discussed there, if you have a concept template to show, then by all means show it. -- blm07 00:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am moving my discussion to that page.Bytebear 00:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer 1ne's version. ★ MESSED ROCKER ★  01:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of this template
I would like to delete this template and rename the template Template:Infobox_Disney_ride so that it replaces this. All translucent pages have been replaced (other than user pages). We can rename this to (old) or something as well. Objections? Bytebear 05:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I've moved it. -- blm07 13:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)