Template talk:Infobox comedian/Archive 1

Awards
Added awards section from Template:Infobox actor. --AMK1211 20:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Hi there! I've noticed that the category "medium" in this template links to the disambiguation page "media". I am not versed in template maintenance at all, so I wonder if someone could fix it, perhaps to remove the link altogether or direct it to one of the options in the media disambiguation page such as "broadcast media"? Right now it is causing many comedians to show up on the what links here for the disambiguation page. Thanks!--Xnuala (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Belated note: Fixed, per User talk:Xnuala. -- Ben &ensp; TALK/HIST 21:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Color usage
Is there any way we could start using white text inside darkly hued color bars? Ichormosquito 23:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, fixed. Ichormosquito 07:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

awards header colour
i have changed the colour of the awards fields from this to this to match that of the infobox header. however, the default font gets drowned in the darker hue. it would be great if someone could lend a hand. --emerson7 | Talk 15:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The titles of the awards are links so they will always appear as the usual link color. I don't think it is a good idea to change the link color in the mainspace since it is quite standard. I would rather change the background to something else. However if you really must do it you could use something like:
 * but again I would discourage this in the mainspace. -- Kudret abi Talk 01:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * but again I would discourage this in the mainspace. -- Kudret abi Talk 01:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Request:Change header background colours to A4D7E0 to make the blue links much more visible. Thanks! TIM KLOSKE 20:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk)  14:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Parameters need to be standardized
The parameters for this template really need to conform to the standards of other more popular infoboxes such as Infobox Person. For instance, birth_name should be birthname, and birth_place should be birthplace. Gary King (talk) 19:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I now see that this is intentional. Not sure if that's a good idea or a bad one. Gary King (talk) 19:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions
I'm not even going to attempt to try any of these myself because I really fail to understand the makeup of templates. Anyway, looking at the template I have a few sugestions. Comparing it to the actor infobox:


 * "Notable works and roles" was deleted from the actor infobox a while back as it was deemed POV to negate which of an actor's role are truely notable. I think it should be removed from here as well.
 * I also suggest modelling the awards section on the other template: Having the awards in a collapsible hidden section, specifying that is for awards won only, and centreing all of the awards.
 * Finally, like the actor infobox, perhaps the "death date" section could be changed so that they change the colour of the infobox to show that a person is dead.

I don't know, just some ideas. Gran2 15:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I really think the awards fields need fixing. If they were centred and made collapsible, it'd be a lot better. Gran2 14:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Add "height" to the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJLL (talk • contribs) 19:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Awards to be tailored
Could we add Perrier Comedy Award? The awards section is still only based on actors.—Ashleyvh (talk) 09:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: I'm not sure that award is really important, given the article on it. Is it really that major a comedy award?  --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 19:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Well, when I google "Comedy Awards" I get Perrier Comedy Awards as the third item, while Emmy Awards, Peabody Awards, Tony Awards and Golden Globe Awards don't make the first page of results.—Ashleyvh (talk) 22:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Perhaps ask for comments on this on the project talk page. PeterSymonds  (talk)  14:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised that this award has not been featured. Seeing as how it is considered to be one of the biggest stand-up awards in Britain and possibly the world, you would think it would be listed. Here are details of this year's award. See here. ISD (talk) 13:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Salary
Why does this infobox not have Salary, like the person infobox?  C t j f 8 3 Talk 05:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but (just my 0.02), there seem to be some other fields - such as "religion", that also do not seem to have been "inherited" from person infobox. ((The field "religion" displays as "religious beliefs" when used in a  person infobox)).  In fact, I don't think that  inherits any stuff from , in the object-oriented computer software sense, where a subclass inherits slots or methods from a "more general" class.  Anyone who understands templates better than us blind mice, please feel free to chime in, here.  --Mike Schwartz (talk) 09:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Microformat upgrade request- no visual impact to template
editprotected
 * Visual impact: None
 * What it does: This change allows wikipedia to emit event microformat metadata, as do other infoboxes such as these.  The change should have no visual impact and introduces non functional classes to elements of the table.  These classes are recognized by external microformat parsers to retrieve information in the cells.


 * Requested changes:
 * 1) class="infobox vcard" → class="infobox vcard vevent"
 * 2) ! class="fn" → ! class="fn summary"


 * Background: This allows events of the individuals life to be represented such as the span of their life, from birth to death date.  Currently the template supports hCard format which does not describe events.  Further information on what this does and how to see some of the benefits may be found here.

Thanks -J JMesserly (talk) 02:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ --CapitalR (talk) 05:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Please reverse this misguided and misleadingly described (the change represents a life as a single event, not events plural) edit, as done recently to most other biographical infoboxes, including Infobox Person. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 00:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 00:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Styling tweaks
Requesting sync with the new sandbox for minor stylistic tweaks which bring the template better into line with that of infobox-derived templates (which is where this one will hopefully eventually go). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hardly seems to be worth doing ... but ✅. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Same again, a bit more substantive this time (fixing conditionals, making the caption accessible, unifying syntax). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 21:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Remove awards
There aren't any awards left in any of the other infoboxes, including Infobox actor, where these awards originally came from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bovineboy2008 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 7 July 2009


 * Could be at least worth merging the awards params into a single generic awards parameter. If no-one objects, I'll be doing that soon. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do. This will facilitate merging this template with Infobox person. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  06:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've removed the awards params and replaced it with a module param and a new template at Infobox comedian awards which can be used against the module param. I've also updated all the articles that displayed awards to use it. (That's 79 articles) -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Unlinking headings
Please unlink Nationality and Pseudonym, per WP:OVERLINK. They are just ordinary words that don't require a link to explain them. Colonies Chris (talk) 19:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Template needs additional sections
To whom this may concern,

Here is a recommendation I have for an edit for "Template:infobox comedian" to include children, parents, & relatives, since this template is used for several famous actors/comedians in lieu of "Template:infobox person", my recommendation is that there needs to be more sections on the template to include important personal information (which, in this case, is family information.)

Thank you in advance!!! Steel1943 (talk) 03:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Microformat fix
This template has, which is fine for individuals; but for duos and groups, the value should be "fn org". Please sync the sandbox to apply a switch, based on the presence of a value for current_members or past_members, instead. (I've also added some more hCard microformat classes.) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've, because the way it was coded, it was expecting a parameter if. The other change is because other parts of the template permit Current_members and Past_members to be used as synonyms for current_members and past_members. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good catch, thank you. I'm fine with those changes. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and implemented them. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 15:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. No change to the documentation is needed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request 12 December 2012
In line with infobox person, the "Domestic partner" parameter should be changed to just "Partner", also including the display from "Domestic partner(s)" to "Partner(s)".

"Domestic", i.e. living together, is a detail which may or may not apply to a relationship. Under the current parameter, a relationship which is not a domestic relationship and not a marriage would not qualify to be mentioned in the infobox, which makes very little sense imho. When it can be verified that two people are indeed together, a pair, an item, then details such as whether they live together should be reserved for the main body of the article. We shouldn't discriminate relationships along a very arbitrary parameter like that. (Imho we shouldn't even have a parameter (Spouse) which is exclusively based on marital status, but one step at a time.) --213.168.109.165 (talk) 00:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I, but as regards changing the parameter name, Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox People/Actor/Comedian
The regular people and the actor infoboxes allow for children to be included in an infobox, especially if they are notable. I've noted on some comedians' articles, this information is included in the article copy but it doesn't appear in the Infobox on the page. Since this template allows for spouses and domestic partners, could it also include children? It's relevant in that many comedians include material about their families in the routines. Liz Read! Talk! 18:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added the various 'family' fields from Infobox person, also native_name, resting_place, memorials, etc. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Alma mater/education
I think there should be an optional 'Alma mater' field on this infobox.--Opertinicy (talk) 06:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done; also education}. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Embedding broken
The embedding of this template on Russell Brand looks awry. Can someone help, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Colouring
I changed the title colour to silver for Billy Connolly, which has a wikilink in the title, and blue on blue is unreadable. Frietjes (talk) 16:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This was a Bold move, change a template with 1300+ transclusions to suit a single page.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 16:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * more than one page, that was just an example. please suggest an alternative, say  which is the same colour used by navbox? Frietjes (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with the change, I just think this should of been discussed. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * sometimes the most effective way to get feedback is to simply make the change, since few people watch the talk page, but many will see the change in the articles. I am happy to revert if there is serious objection.  for Billy Connolly, I can always just switch it to use infobox person instead. Frietjes (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Very good, it did catch my attention :P .  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 18:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am not fond of this new coloring. This was the color of the infobox when people died for infobox actor. Tinton5 (talk) 05:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * so what is your suggestion for an alternative? Frietjes (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Switch it back to blue, or light blue. Tinton5 (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * how about if we just remove the colouring, like every other person infobox? Frietjes (talk) 13:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the reason infoboxes have color in the first place, I am aware of the colors in Music infoboxes denote different types of musical release ie. album, single, studio album, greatest hits etc. If there is no categorization type reasons for the color, then yes, I'd remove it.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 14:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I boldly removed it. this should get the attention of anyone who doesn't watch the infobox talk page. Frietjes (talk) 14:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * There's no categorisation; the colour is completely arbitrary. (I'd argue that the music infobox's use of colour is no more valid, but that's for another day). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Template:Infobox person
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Template-protected edit request on 26 June 2015
Please remove the link to "Infobox comedian awards" which is deprecated per this TFD.

Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:40, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing that out, Redrose. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 16:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment
Should the infobox parameters "Influences / Influenced by" in Template:Infobox comedian be deprecated, consistent with their removal from Template:Infobox person via this RfC, per admin closing on 22 July 2013. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Influences are no more significant to comedians than to actors, filmmakers or others in the creative arts, and consensus at Template:Infobox Actor, which was absorbed into Template:Infobox person, is that they should not be included there but, instead, with context and citing in article prose. They are highly problematic parameters given to uncited, POV claims by enthusiastic fans. Infoboxes are for simple, non-contentious facts, and not places for a large clutter of footnotes, such as the seven at Jon Stewart's infobox. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support – As pointed out above, the reasons (RfC) why these parameters from Infobox comedian, and  from {{}}, equally apply to Infobox comedian. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support deprecation for the reasons given by Tenebrae and Michael. --RexxS (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - agree infobox must be for non-contentious facts —Мандичка YO 😜 00:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support as unnecessary clutter, and per consensus at Infobox person. It's better to simply mention such influences within article prose, maybe in its own section. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 23:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Summoned here by RfC bot. Belongs in the article, not the infobox. Too esoteric. Coretheapple (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. I am inclined to agree with Tenebrae's position and the consensus voiced here so far; at worst, the claims implied in these parameters tend to be utterly unsourced fancruft/original research, and even where sourcing does exist to explicitly support a direct claim of influence, it is still better discussed the article prose in a more thorough and contextualized manner.  S n o w  let's rap 02:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Summoned by bot, support as per Michael Bednarek above. Flat Out (talk) 06:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not supporting nor opposing this, however I must say that influences are considered paramount to comedians' acts. Almost all notable comedians will have stated their influences at some point in their careers, and as such these statements can be referenced. The parameters could remain hidden with a silent warning for editors to provide appropriate citations instead. Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 02:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Mild Support -- mild per FoCuSandLeArN, support per everyone else. I did a double take when invited here by Legobot...Template:Uw-infoboxclowning-1? Eman 235 / talk  21:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Not the sort of simple objective information that should be put into a box. Bosstopher (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 July 2015
An RfC has just been closed above on this page, confirming that the influences/influenced fields have been deprecated. The template page is locked except to admins. Requesting, please, that an admin indicate on the template page that the fields are deprecated. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The documentation page is not locked: Template:Infobox comedian/doc. Alakzi (talk) 20:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Residence
Why is there not a residence parameter? It would have made sense to include (when the general location is known). Dustin ( talk ) 16:23, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For additionlal biographical parameters, including that one, embed Infobox person. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have done little editing in the area of infobox templates, so I am afraid to say I am not aware of how to do that., unlike templates such as , is independent from . Dustin  ( talk ) 19:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Dustin V. S., see the documentation. Frietjes (talk) 20:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 2 October 2015
Maybe it's just me, but I find "resting place" to be terribly euphemistic -- no one is "resting", they're dead. I suggest that it be changed to "burial place". BMK (talk) 02:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ This field is shared with Template:Infobox person so any changes should be discussed there. The issue has been [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=resting+place&prefix=Template+talk%3AInfobox+person%2F&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search discussed a few times], eg at Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 12. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BMK (talk) 07:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 November 2015
Hello, the two-word labels look kind of odd when they line-wrap, so I edited the version of the template in the sandbox to include nbsp between them. Can this version be transferred?

86.166.149.70 (talk) 23:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Your version does look better in some respects on the testcases page, but look at the "Years active" parameter. There appears to be very little space between the parameter and the description: Years active and 1994–present.  The parameter seems to be pushing the "1994" to the right just a bit.  And I'm also curious as to why you didn't mention the other changes you made, the "includeonly" tags and the change of magic word in the Above parameter?  <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b>  11:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The testcases do look slightly better with "years active" all on one line, but I believe that it is generally a bad idea to try and fix wrapping based on how it looks on your own display. For example on a mobile device, it would probably look worse. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Deprecated params
Are &  deprecated or not? Documentation says they are, but there is nothing in the code to suggest that they are. -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * That's probably a matter of most editors not knowing how to write code and not wanting to risk breaking something being used site-wide. Also, and I can't speak for any other editor, but Template:Infobox comedian won't let me edit in to edit. But those fields were deprecated as a result of a unanimous RfC last year, here. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Idea: IMDB link
Given how many comedians are on TV shows or have recordings of their shows, would it be an idea to add a IMDB parameter to the infobox? Back ache (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well given that infobox actor doesn't even have an IMDB param I would say no. -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Good point, the idea is equally relevant to them, I have now suggested it to them also. Back ache (talk) 09:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:Citing IMDb. Because IMDb accepts user input, and its editorial staff does not do a particularly good job of verifying this information (I can confirm this from personally being the victim of false information which it took moving heaven and earth to get deleted), IMDb is generally not considered to be a reliable source for Wikipedia. Infoboxes should not contain links to sites which may contain unreliable information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Remove deprecated influence fields
Remove the following lines from the template:

Consensus was reached for such a removal in a 2015 RFC, but nobody requested the change to be made at the time. (The same removal was applied to infobox person in 2013.) --McGeddon (talk) 13:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata
Is there any plans for this infobox to support Wikidata, as the superstars of comedy travel the globe now, presumably they are in multiple wiki's so it would make sense to keep basic info in a cross-wiki-store Back ache (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Capankajsmilyo(Talk 07:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Honorifics
Please change this: To this: Thank-you.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 22:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * above     =
 * above =
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: please could you provide some background and/or rationale to your edit requests? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * See Template:Infobox military person, Template:Infobox writer, both of which allow honorifics parameters.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 19:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I used the same code from Template:Infobox person. Some day we have to move this stuff to a Lua module and do all this with a meta-template, but having inconsistent code will make that more difficult than it has to be.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  08:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * any update about moving to Lua? Capankajsmilyo(Talk 07:33, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, but I'm returning from a months-long wikibreak. Doing it myself is beyond my competence level with Lua.  Not a language a care much for.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Awards?
Shouldn't there be an awards parameter on this? --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Good call. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Place of residence, occupation, credits, and
I've noticed for a long time that this infobox doesn't have the parameter to add a person's place of residence. For instance, Brent Butt lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. It would be good to be able to put that in the infobox.

The second thing might seem redundant. But for people like Brent Butt and other comedians, they are not just comedians. Butt specifically has expanded into acting, producing, writing, etc.. It would be good to list all occupations.

The most notable credits would be useful as well. Those are my suggestions. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 07:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Notable_work
Please replace notable_work with notable_works to make it consistent with other infoboxes. Capankajsmilyo(Talk 00:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see we are on the same wavelength with this.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 08:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)