Template talk:Infobox ice hockey biography/Archive 5

National team
There is a problem with "National team". For example, in Marcel Hossa's article the link goes to women's team. Maybe someone could fix it (I thionk that that is problem with this infobox). Thanx.-- Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 13:24, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, looks like a change I made broke it. -DJSasso (talk) 13:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed/Sandbox Changes — "| alt name = " and "| sex = "
The sandbox version has been replaced and updated (changes are reflected in the testcases) with the following proposed changes:

1) A parameter was added for " " to display alternate nationality spelling of the player's name (in slightly smaller font) directly below his/her name on the upper line; for use in any articles which have been switched to a most common English spelling which does not match the spelling of the player's name in their home country. If you can think of a better parameter name, great; but please update Marek Zidlicky and Milan Jurcina which already contain the parameter with the name " ".  If no alternative name is specified, a " " can be specified and will appear in that location (i.e. 2nd line) in italics.

2) The past tense of the /,  /  parameters are marked for deletion.  If the " " parameter is set, the template automatically defaults to say "shot" or "caught", otherwise it says "shoots" or "catches".  Does not automatically make the change if " " is set, since presumably " " would be updated if an active player dies.

3) Removed the following named parameters:
 * these have all been replaced with a new parameter:
 * if " " then the following existing men's parameters will automatically act the same way that the 6 &thinsp;3 different women's parameters did:
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * these have all been replaced with a new parameter:
 * if " " then the following existing men's parameters will automatically act the same way that the 6 &thinsp;3 different women's parameters did:
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * these have all been replaced with a new parameter:
 * if " " then the following existing men's parameters will automatically act the same way that the 6 &thinsp;3 different women's parameters did:
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )
 * NOTE: All women's Ice Hockey Players articles must be updated before the (###### International Women's Representation) and  (###### WHA Draft) sections are &thinsp;section is deleted from the template (marked in the template with  )

To finalize these changes (i.e. to delete marked redundant code), all 10,481 articles currently using this template must be checked for, and updated to no longer use, the &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp; &thinsp;/&thinsp;  and to add the " " parameter where required (wherever  and   are &thinsp;is used). This is a perfect job for a bot, but I don't yet know how to write bots so if someone here does, they could update these before deleting the marked (redundant) sections from the template, or a request can be made at bot requests to have a bot make these changes, but the template change must be implemented first. While it's at it, the bot could also update to replace all (capitals) references with.

The logic for a bot would be :
 * For all articles using "Template:Infobox ice hockey player"
 * if template contains " " or " ", insert a parameter of " " above the first occurance
 * find " " and delete " "  ( becomes, etc)
 * find " " and delete " "  ( becomes, etc)
 * if template contains " " or " ",
 * change  to
 * change  to
 * if there is no " " value set (i.e. if either omitted or blank), add to a new category (something like) Category:Ice hockey players–Retired but no "career_end" date
 * For all articles using change to    (bypass redirect)

4) In looking at the existing template, it's unclear why the ###### Image section uses " " as I don't see any possibility of this  coding ever being applicable (unless this template is substituted which would be surprising).  Am I just misunderstanding something in that code?  If not the   and   can be deleted.

The documentation will need to be updated after the template is updated (which I'll do if notified or I see the template updated). If people agree, please add the tag to this section; otherwise I will if no one disagrees in the next day or so. —  Who R you?  Talk 12:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hopefully no transgender people ever play high-level hockey both before and after the change. =)  Powers T 01:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, " " is certainly no problem to test for; the question is: does sex  player get called up in the men's or women's draft?    Not that the test couldn't then be for " " and " ".  Alternatively, we could undo the whole " " parameter to leave it to the editor to decide and hardcode; just a few more fields.  You just know that sooner or later it will happen.  But I think that's probably a bridge that can be crossed when it becomes a reality; the whole concepts of WP & certainly templates having possibly drastically changed by then. =) —   Who R you?  Talk 21:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

The wha parameters had nothing to do with women so I have adjusted them back. That was the World Hockey Association so those would need to not be removed for this reason. And since there can be both a WHA draft and an NHL draft I can't see that there is a way to combine them like this. The other changes are fine with me. Sort of a make work project in a way but it does streamline the code a bit. -DJSasso (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ya, Women's&thinsp;/&thinsp;World would certainly make a difference! Sorry about that, just thought it was a redundant chunk of code that could be stripped out, making it easier to maintain.  Agreed, if some players have both WHA & NHL draft info they can't be combined.  The change was the "alt name" (& displaying the "nickname" since it was used in at least one infobox but wasn't being displayed); the rest was really just "cleanup" while I was in the template.  Also added in the sandbox (for both NHL & WHA draft params), testings if draft-year or draft-team set without draft field itself being specified (this is the situation in the testcases#women's|3rd test case).  Any POV on point #4 ; or should they be deleted before copying?  Cheers —   Who R you?  Talk 21:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S.: If you don't agree with those 2 changes to include draft_year/draft_team info even if draft is omitted, feel free to revert; just figured if partial info is already specified in some articles, might as well display it. —  Who R you?  Talk 22:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope looks good to me. I'd just leave this a few days to make sure everyone that cares has a chance to see it but I can't see many people complaining. The only issue I think will be getting all the infoboxes switched over since there are a few thousand uses. Can make a bot request if I get a chance to have someone do it automatically. As for #4 I am not sure why they are there. Could be a left over from long ago when there was somewhat different code. -DJSasso (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. And I'll remove those  s from the sandbox for a potential copy; once the template's updated I guess whichever of us spot it can see what the response is from a bot req.  ttyl —   Who R you?  Talk 01:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Belated — Thanks Martin! —  Who R you?  Talk 07:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I have tested some AWB regexes to do this, I'll create a BRFA (the "women" part I could have done by hand but the "shoot" part makes it fairly large). Rich Farmbrough, 20:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC).


 * Note that the template redirects will be bypassed by any AWB general fix edit, or Helpful Pixie Bot dating tags, (although this run will pick up a good proportion) and the maintenance category requested should be built into the template. Rich Farmbrough, 21:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC).

If that's correct I can approach the appropriate admin to modify the template (Off the top of my head) I'd add:
 * Unfortunately I know squat about bots & wiki automation (but I know programming); I appreciate the Bot Request for Approval; but I'm not quite sure how to achieve the maintenance category through the template; criteria was “if there is no "&#124;career_end=" value set (i.e. if either omitted or blank), add to a new category (something like)” but don't know how the template change would work since, once the bot changes 'shot'&thinsp; → &thinsp;'shoots', etc, there's nothing to test for, or would you simply hold off running the bot while the template was modified, then presumably all articles in the maintenance category would be manually fixed, then run the bot?
 * 1.10em
 * sound right to you? Thanks for looking at this and, if this is the way to go, I'll let you know here once this has been taken care of and the bot can be let loose.  Cheers —   Who R you?  Talk 07:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I put a temporary maint category in, for shot and caught. I'll add the other one in presently. Since BAG sometimes takes months to approve my bot requests, I'm pressing on manually (it should have been speedy trialled, approved and run the day it was submitted, but that's life). The "women" changes should be complete. Rich Farmbrough, 00:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC).


 * Category:Infobox ice hockey player with problems is the new cat. Most of the problematic ones seem to be simply using the "past tense" paramters for no good reason, so far. Rich Farmbrough, 01:09, 20 November 2011 (UTC).


 * OK there's some in each of the three categories (dead, retired, or shot/caught all with no end-of-career date). I'll simply avoid updating those. Rich Farmbrough, 09:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC).


 * The task is done, apart from the items in the "problems" category. Rich Farmbrough, 01:14, 23 November 2011 (UTC).


 * I cleaned out the problem articles. I will remove support for the old code now. -DJSasso (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Italicized "present"
I'm not sure if the WP:MoS addresses it de jure, but clearly the de facto standard is to not italicize "present" at the end of a date range. 71.197.244.119 (talk) 09:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

IIHF Hall of Fame attribute?
I propose that the template adds an IIHF Hall of Fame attribute, like the Hockey Hall of Fame attribute. The IIHF inductees don't seem to be in the HHOF too, so it would not add to the size. &#x0298; alaney2k  &#x0298; ( talk ) 18:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really sure I would...its a slippery slope to start adding various awards and halls of fames to the infobox. I would be more inclined to remove the one we do have than to add more to it. -DJSasso (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * One thing at a time, though I agree there must be some bounds on this sort of thing. For the sake of discussing this, I could foresee possibly adding a Stanley Cup attribute, a Olympic gold medal attribute, Gold Club? but no more than that. That's what I would agree to. As a side discussion, I'm not sure of the benefits of the International record "pseudo-infobox" that's on a lot of players. I'd rather have just one infobox, with only truly notable awards, that is, Stanley and Olympic championships, the HHOF/IIHF HHOF, not other medals or individual trophies. Anwyay, for now, just asking for the IIHF one. At least let's get the project on record. &#x0298; alaney2k  &#x0298; ( talk ) 20:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that is sort of the point, I don't think any of those things belong in the infobox which is why I would be hesitant to add this one as it would lead to more. Especially since the IIHF hall of fame is virtually unknown in North America and I don't think its all that well known in Europe either. As for the medal template that definitely needs to be separate so that it can be down in the international play section where it is appropriate. -DJSasso (talk) 01:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with DJS on this one.--Львівське (говорити) 07:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See also the MedalTop family of templates, which can be embedded within an infobox. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer the medal box to go with either an international play section or an 'awards and honours' section. As to the IIHF Hall of Fame, I have to ask, how notable is it in Europe?  Near as I can tell, it's basically unknown in North America, even though it is hosted in the HHOF. Resolute 23:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * IMO the IIHF HoF is a lifetime achievement award for contributions to the IIHF world championships which in my Canadian view are a minor achievement; a consolation tournament primarily for players unable to play in the NHL or whose teams failed to make the Stanley Cup playoffs. Looking at both HoF lists, I'm guessing about a dozen names are in both. I wouldn't want to see the current HHoF field removed, but a IIHF HoF would be way down the list of items to add. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 08:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Order of former teams
The template indicates "former_teams (pro teams an active player played for. Enter FULL NAME of teams most recent team first)". However all active players' former teams are now listed in chronological order, most recent team last. This change was decided and implemented in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey. Can the template description of this field please be corrected? 99.246.116.118 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point, thanks. I've reworded the passage. Resolute 00:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you 99.246.116.118 (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just realized that I could have edited the documentation myself in Template:Infobox ice hockey player/doc. So thanks again for the assistance.  99.246.116.118 (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding a "Coached for" parameter for Template:Infobox ice hockey player?
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey for more information. What about adding a "Coached for" parameter for Template:Infobox ice hockey player? Hey Mid  (contribs) 14:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirect in infobox
In the infobox, the  field links to Glove (hockey). However, that link redirects to Glove (ice hockey). For simplicity's sake, can someone edit the infobox to fix the redirect? Esrever (klaT) 16:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Esrever (klaT) 19:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

"Ice Hockey" links to a redirect. It should probably not be capitalized. If emphasis is desired, italics or bold could be used instead. Could someone fix that? HandsomeFella (talk) 20:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to the link on Template:Infobox ice hockey player/doc? That page isn't full protected and editable by everyone. Legoktm (talk) 23:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've deactivated this request per Legoktm's explanation. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 00:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha, missed that. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Former teams label
I noticed this being used on Bobby Ryan's page and noticed that, even though he is only on his second team (and therefore, only has one former team listed), the infobox still reads "Former teams" instead of "Former team." I don't know whether the templating system is complex enough to handle that situation, but there should be a way to either re-word the label or provide options so that it doesn't look incorrectly plural instead of singular. - Cafemusique (talk) 20:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Change prospect_team/league to assigned_team/league; spacing
Two suggestions.

1. Remove the (P) and change the prospect_team and prospect_league fields to assigned_team and assigned_league. This way the field could be properly used for both younger players and veterans. As the field is described it is intended to be used just for prospects who haven't played in the NHL, but it is also commonly used for prospects who have some NHL experience and veterans who have been assigned to a minor league team. Looking at the 2013 draft, I see only one player drafted in the top ten is currently using the prospect_team/league fields as it was originally intended. - A suggested description (or something along these lines): for players under contract with a professional team who have been assigned to a junior team or minor league team.

2. Add a space between NHL team and Former teams, or when activated Cur. team (this could be changed to Current team) and Former teams. The way I think it should look is like the space between Height and Weight, and NHL Draft and Playing career.

--208.123.179.242 (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * A suggested change to Template:Infobox ice hockey players --98.21.62.11 (talk) 04:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

HHOF banner at the top?
A thought occurred to me that the HHOF banner seems almost dismissed in the infobox given it is placed at the very bottom. I was thinking it might be useful to move the banner to the top, right below the player's name. Any objections/comments? Resolute 19:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree it would serve a better purpose being at the top of the template rather than the bottom. – B2Project (Talk) 02:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It may seem picky but I think it would look better if we placed it below the image. For some without pictures this would be the same as what you are suggesting, but I think it would look better below the picture when there is one available. Someone could probably mock it up to see how it looks in both cases. -DJSasso (talk) 15:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll do some mockups later today to see how it looks. Resolute 16:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Mockups here. The dividing line would have to be moved below the banner if we put it below the image, but looking at them directly, I feel right below the name looks best. Resolute 23:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I guess its not too jarring and choppy at the top. I was thinking it might make things look a little too cut up at the top. -DJSasso (talk) 11:59, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It helps that we don't use gaudy colours like other infoboxes, I think. Anyway, I'll post a note at WT:HOCKEY, just in case, then move it up in a couple days if there are no objections. Resolute 13:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As this is a general ice hockey player infobox, should the banner text state "Hockey Hall of Fame", to distinguish it from other halls of fame (such as national ones)? isaacl (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It could. Though it also links to Hockey Hall of Fame. Resolute 15:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In the interest of clarity, I believe it would be better to state the specific Hall of Fame in question. isaacl (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure that that would really make it all that more clear since there are plenty of Hockey Hall of Fames. I think the link is clarity enough, that is after all the purpose of linking. -DJSasso (talk) 15:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * While I agree, I see no harm in it either. At any rate, I've moved the banner up and expanded to Hockey Hall of Fame. We can always alter further if we decide it doesn't look the way we'd like! Resolute 16:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

KHL Junior Draft
Please add KHL Junior Draft.--ChelseaFunNumberOne (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Previous discussion determined that the KHL draft wasn't notable enough for inclusion on the infobox but instead can be mentioned in the text of the article. -DJSasso (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Djsasso probably knows better than me, but I'm not exactly sure if this has been discussed in further detail. I thought about the same thing here, though. Djsasso, if it has been more thoroughly discussed, could you provide a link to that discussion? That would be appreciated. Hey  mid  (contribs) 15:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It could always be discussed again. Hypothetically, we could turn the WHA draft parameter into a customizable one. But if we did add this parameter, inclusion criteria would have to be discussed.  For instance, silliness like Bars Kazan drafting Taylor Hall is meaningless on his infobox. Resolute 16:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, it things like the Taylor Hall situation that make it a bit meaningless considering its on a lower level than the NHL. There were other reasons too like teams boycotting the draft and not making picks and stuff like that which made the draft a bit of a joke. I would have to go find the discussion. But yeah it could always be discussed again. I was just mentioning that it had been discussed before. -DJSasso (talk) 21:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. Let's have hope for a bright future for KHL:)--ChelseaFunNumberOne (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions
–
 * Should we have a field for UFA/RFA? (if so, I think a field underneath the name with a coordinated color would be a good idea)
 * Should we have a field for the current contract and signing date that they are signed to?
 * Generally we list that status in the current team field though usually most people leave updating it until the beginning of the season because there isn't much point updating them all for the 2 months or less they will be in that status after their contracts officially end on July 1st. As for the dates, I don't think so that isn't really all that notable. -DJSasso (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For the first question, I agree with Djsasso. Just put "Free Agent" under current team.  The second one is intriguing though.  Especially given the importance placed on salary (or more accurately, average annual value in the salary cap world). Resolute 19:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I threw a post up at WT:HOCKEY for more comments. Resolute 13:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I would agree with the above on the first part where FA can be handled by putting Free agent in the infobox. Similar to why we don't update stats during the season the point of WP isn't to be a news outlet. For the second question on contract information I'm not for it. First we would have to have a hard line number such as AAV or it becomes a logistical nightmare such as: Here are some hypotheticals using David Clarkson's new contract.

Would we include the span of years at what dollar amount?

2013-14 - 4.5 Mill

2014-15 - 4.7 Mil

2015-16 - 5 Mill

2016-18 - 7 Mill

2018-19 - 4.75 Mill

2019-20 - 3.25 Mill

Only the current season dollar amount?

2013-14 salary 4.5 Mill AAV 5.25 Mil Or the current season dollar amount + bonus? (Clarkson is not eligible for performance bonus and signing bonuses appear to be calculated into the contract as a whole)

Or year remaining and AAV?

7 years AAV 5.25 Mil

would a formula be build into the temple so it will update automatically regarding years remaining (i.e after next season the template shows 6 years at 5.25) or would an editor have to change year remaining or just let the reader calculate it by including date signed?

Further I think we would have to believe that CapGeek is an RS since there are a lot of official releases that state terms were not disclosed. To me it sounds like a lot of problems for little reward and it places more weight on what someone is making since it will be right in the infobox. Not to mention the increase in vandalism for guy with...um questionable contracts.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I tested an version in the sandbox for the template and an example can be found here. The parameters for the contract and free agent are conditional and will only show up if the field is completed so it won't affect the players who don't have the info. I also added a option for free agent if you just enter "yes" it returns the generic "Free agent" if users don't know the terms of the players free agency status.– B2Project (Talk) 05:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yikes, yeah looking at that I definitely don't think it should be included and would just continue using the team parameter to indicate they are a free agent as is already done. -DJSasso (talk) 13:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely agree on the banner. I don't like that at all.  The contract info doesn't look too bad, however.  I do think the concerns above about how complicated it would get are valid though. Resolute 13:12, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: Fixing checks for deprecated parameters "nationality_2" and "nationality_3"
At the end of the template code are a number of checks for deprecated parameters which, if found, will include the hidden Category:Infobox ice hockey with deprecated parameters. The current checks for "nationality_2" and "nationality_3" do not work (see Josef Boumedienne where the infobox defines both parameters but the article is not included the hidden category). This can be corrected by copying the updated code from Template:Infobox ice hockey player/sandbox. Thanks.

-- Zyxw (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As you are a template editor, you should be able to edit this yourself. If you can't do for some reason, give me a ping and I will investigate. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 23:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done: I made the edit described above (this request was submitted before I had template editor rights). In addition, any articles where the infobox is missing the required parameter "career_start" are now added to the hidden Category:Infobox ice hockey player with problems (see Pernilla Winberg for an example). These updates were tested in the template's sandbox prior to implementation. Thanks. -- Zyxw (talk) 03:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Italics for captions
This infobox uses default italics for captions, which is incorrect; it is not supported by WP:CAP, nor any other infobox or image caption that I have seen on Wikipedia. Toccata quarta (talk) 16:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The italicised "present" should also have its italics removed. Toccata quarta (talk) 16:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing in WP:CAP mentions italics. Nor is there a guideline I am aware of that says they shouldn't be used for the word present. They are used on the word present to add emphasis which is supported by wp:italics. Is there a particular reason you would like to see them removed? -DJSasso (talk) 15:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed; there's no mention of them, and a look at most of the articles listed at WP:FA reveals what the Wikipedia standard is. But regarding guidelines, there's WP:ITAL. Toccata quarta (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:FA neither sets nor defines Wikipedia standards. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course, which is why I wrote "reveals". Most people would agree that the folks at WP:FAC and WP:FAR are acquainted with Wikipedia standards. Toccata quarta (talk) 16:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That being said we have passed many many FAs with these in place. I don't think its an issue. -DJSasso (talk) 17:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I've been through FAC several times and that has never come up. That being said, I'm not opposed to making either change if that is what people feel is best. Resolute 19:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, there's no reason for those italics. Could you please tell me why they are necessary? Toccata quarta (talk) 11:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * For the caption, I agree there doesn't appear to be a need to put emphasis on the entire text passage. My understanding of general typographical guidelines is that for legibility reasons, it's preferred not to set entire passages in italics. Regarding the word "present", I also don't see any particular need to emphasize it; the word contrasts sufficiently with the starting year set in numerals. isaacl (talk) 13:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Weight precision
note that currently 65 kg returns  instead of. to work around this bug, I added a fixed precision to this conversion in the infobox. hopefully the issue can be resolved upstream, but until then, ... note the example posted to the right is now correct, where before it was not. Frietjes (talk) 00:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

medaltemplates
I have added param 'medaltemplates'. I see the previous discussions about medal templates prefer that the medal templates are placed lower in the article (2008, 2009 & 2012), which I can accept may be an appropriate preference for well developed articles about sportpersons competing in the well televised fully-abled national leagues, but it doesnt make sense to have two infoboxes for stubs, nor is it appropriate for competitors whose most publicly recognised competition is at the Winter Paralympics, as is the case for sledge hockey players. See examples Helge Bjørnstad and Billy Bridges. The next Winter Paralympics is going to be happening very soon, and this infobox template is the most appropriate for those competitors, having many relevant parameters that are not present in other infoboxen. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Death date/place nowrap?
Though I can do it myself (if I knew what I was doing, that is), can someone nowrap the death place field and possibly the death date one (as with the birth fields), if there are no objections? Have had a couple instances (eg. ) where a manual one was required as the fields seemed to get some unsightly linebreaks. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * seems reasonable, although part of the issue is that this template is only 19em wide, which is narrower than the standard 22em. increasing the width to the default would probably help. Frietjes (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Yup I would be fine with nowrapping those fields. They were probably just missed when it was done with the birth fields. -DJSasso (talk) 18:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * done. Frietjes (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hall of Fame - can we add multiple?
Hey there... this template seems to only acknowledge one Hall of Fame - I like the way the French have their template: You can put NHL, IIHF, AHL, plus a couple generic ones eg Russian Hall of Fame- check out fr:Valeri Kharlamov! It would be good to be able to put in any, especially since some countries may have or develop their own, and universities induct ice hockey players too in to their own athletic department HOFs. This looks really impressive to me. What do you think? Wikimandia (talk) 11:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikimandia, certainly possible. I like how the HOFs are at the bottom in your example.  one possible way to get multiple ones in there would be to use embedded modules, like how designation list works for buildings.  see, for example, the bottom section of the infobox in Carson City, Nevada. could you float the idea at WT:HOCKEY?  if there is consensus, I will make it work, in whatever manner works. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll ask over there! I'm not sure if you can just steal what the French did (I know nothing about templates yet unfortunately). Wikimandia (talk) 14:22, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Linking countries

 * 1) Linking the player's nation is likely a violation of WP:OVERLINK, particularly when city (and state/province) are also linked. They are "major geographic features and locations".
 * 2) Abbreviating the nation is probably not a good idea, but using USA violates WP:NOTUSA. Please add an example for this. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 01:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Height in centimetres
This template only allows for metres, whereas centimetres appear to be the norm for human height.1 Could someone please update it with a cm parameter? --Gibson Flying V (talk) 02:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Being that there is an RfC open on this topic I think any changes will need to wait for that to finish. -DJSasso (talk) 19:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That RfC is now closed with consensus to allow for cm. Furthermore, in Canada cm are the norm for expressing human height metrically, as it is in the field of anthropometry itself.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:19, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * added. Frietjes (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That takes care of input.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, denoting height in metric isn't the norm in Canada at all, so we're probably not the best example to base off of. It would more be the usage of European nations, and if they do height in centimetres, then there should be no issue with modifying the template. Resolute 14:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, height in Canada is very rarely denoted in centimetres. Almost always in feet and inches so in most cases this won't really affect anything except possibly for some European players as Resolute mentions. -DJSasso (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nations other than Canada use the metric system and they do not all use cm for heights. Gibson Flying V was told that in the WP:FOOTY project and that project uses cm. Check talk archives. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Conversion output
This template's conversion of ft & in into the metric system is displayed in metres. Should it be changed to centimetres? I think so, as they appear to be more in common usage than metres.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * would be trivial to do, just change the  to   in the convert template. Frietjes (talk) 00:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, great. It's been two weeks without objection.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * changed. Frietjes (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 July 2015
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Add NWHL/CWHL draft info?
Since NHL and WHA draft information is in the template, seems like CWHL and NWHL info should be in there too. Thoughts? Powers T 23:58, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There are many leagues that do drafts that we don't include. It comes down to how defining said draft is to a given player. While I know the argument will be if we do it for the men we should do it for the women. I think we should probably wait and see how the leagues in question progress first and whether or not being drafted in a given league is actually defining enough for a player to be in their infobox. For example being drafted 9th overall in 2015 is not a defining part of Hayley Wickenheiser's career. -DJSasso (talk) 12:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a bit of an extraordinary case, don't you think? I don't understand how the typical NHLer's draft position is any more relevant to his career than the typical CWHLer's is. Aside from the first few picks each year, no one remembers where anyone was drafted. It's not like the NFL where Tom Brady being a sixth-round pick is common knowledge. Powers T 22:02, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Because unlike the CWHLers, the media always talks about where NHL players were drafted, even down to the lower rounds. I don't think the same can be said for the CWHLers. Ironically before I read your comment on Brady I was going to use Datsyuk as an example where everyone knows he was a 6th round pick. -DJSasso (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * First I've heard of that, though that isn't exactly definitive. Still, because most draft picks don't enter the league immediately, it seems like draft round is less important than it is in the NFL. Powers T 01:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've long advocated making the WHA field an editable one where the league could itself be an option in the template. There's probably a fair bit of modification required for this template. Resolute 22:10, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Adding Player's Team/Number with Colored Background
This template should start listing an active player's number and team name in front of the appropriate team colors. For example, the Jonathan Toews template would say No. 19 – Chicago Blackhawks in front of a red and black background. This appears to be the pattern for the other sports leagues (MLB, NFL and NBA) so it would make sense to add it. Adding this would replace the current "Team" parameter (along with the "Former Teams" parameter) in favor of a "Career History" parameter; similar to the other leagues. Opinions?

TheMeaningofFun (talk) 06:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * We've had discussions surrounding this before in the past, and I stand by my total objection to adding colour bars. I view them as decoration for the sake of decoration and find them to be a pointless distraction at best and a reason for people to edit war at worst.  Never mind any WP:ACCESS concerns.  The MLB infobox especially is not something we should ever seek to emulate.  The current team for a player is already listed in the infobox, as is the former teams (Toews simply doesn't have any at the NHL/top national level).   As far as uniform number goes - meh.  I likewise don't see a huge need for it, but nor would I oppose it if others did. Resolute 13:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think, but I might be wrong that we discussed numbers before and found that they changed to much for lesser notable players to be of value. And like Resolute I would object to the other comments. The MLB infobox especially is one of the worst on the wiki. And the NFL one is quite bad as well. -DJSasso (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Birth place abbreviation
Why is Czechoslovakia in the template's example abbreviated as CS when it should be TCH? I believe we're using the IOC (URS, FRG, GDR, etc.) abbreviations and CS doesn't belong to that category. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:14, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't usually use IOC naming because most people don't recognise it, TCH is actually the biggest reason we don't because almost no one would know that means Czechoslovakia along with URS for the USSR. The example years ago just used to link to Country code which talks about the ISO country codes but that link disappeared with a layout change to the page. I believe you have been in discussions talking about this in the past. I can't think of a link to one off the top of my head. Generally we suggest not to abbreviate unless the line is too long for one line anyway so that we avoid using uncommon abbreviations. We used to only suggest abbreviations for locations that had a sub-national unit as part of the birthplace such as American or Canadian players, most Euro countries were never abbreviated. As such many editors remove the abbreviations on countries like the German countries and Czechoslovakia etc. I feel like we even asked you once not to abbreviate in the infobox unless necessary but I could be wrong on that as it may have been someone else as we have had a few people throwing TCH and URS in lots of places when the average reader has no idea what those abbreviations mean. This is an example of when we wouldn't want abbreviation used. -DJSasso (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I realise the examples are giving off the false perception that abbreviation was necessary, but they were only meant to show how you would do it if you were using it. As such I have removed it from the examples. -DJSasso (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I was never in any discussion with anyone about this. And nobody asked me to stop adding it. I just saw that you changed the documentation, so I assume the abbreviations for every single player should be removed? I just saw this edit by you and took a look at the documentation's edit history. Looks like the abbreviation guideline was there since day 1 when the documentation was created. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not an all or nothing situation. It is a when appropriate situation, if you notice I left the example of the Canadian player with the abbreviations. Yes it was used in an example, but in practice we only used it when the location line was too long and we pretty much never used it for most European countries. What is written on this page isn't a guideline, its just an example. My mistake on thinking the changing of country abbreviations was you. Could have sworn we talked about it in the past. It is the IOC codes that are by far the worst. At one point in time someone was adding them to hundreds of pages in a matter of days all throughout the text, not just the infobox which made things awful to read. -DJSasso (talk) 15:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All pages should be consistent and either use the abbreviations or don't use them at all. At the moment it's inconsistent when Canadian and American articles have different format than every other article. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I found the discussion it was you. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive66. It looks like we never updated this page after the outcome which was to spell them out fully. I have now changed the Canadian one to being fully spelled out to match the outcome of that discussion. -DJSasso (talk) 15:31, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good find. I totally forgot about this discussion and was pretty sure that no such discussion took place. Looks like it's time to remove those abbreviations from every single article and be done with it. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't do it right now but I can easily setup a AWB run to change most of them so it shouldn't be too much work. I will look into it in the next day or two. Have to fix all instances of a different template first. -DJSasso (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's ok. I'm already on it, but you're welcome to help. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch on the death place, I didn't notice we had an example with one or I would have removed it as well. -DJSasso (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Should Canada and U.S. be left in player's or coach's infobox? Usually these countries are not listed for Canadian and American people (except if a person was born and died in different countries). I have been removing them, but thought I'd ask. Of course, infobox's example and documentation should be edited accordingly. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I would leave them in, there was a time a loooong time ago where we didn't. I didn't realise there were any left that didn't but I haven't gone looking for it cause its the type of thing I usually leave as found. I vaguely recall a big discussion where it was decided to start using them for those countries because it was biased or something to not do it for those two countries only. You would have to search the archive of the WikiProject page I am guessing to find the discussion because I can't for the life of me recall when it happened. -DJSasso (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do. Removed Canada/U.S. from many articles in the last ~2 weeks so looks like I'll have to get back and re-add them. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 21 November 2016
I have cleaned up the remaining instances of Category:Infobox ice hockey with deprecated parameters. Since the 9 parameters that were tracked are no longer supported by the template, and no occurrences actually use these parameters, please remove the following from the template:

Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:00, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Hometown perameter?
Would be useful for some players whose birthplace differ from where they actually grew up. This is included in Infobox person. Meiloorun  (talk) 🍁 06:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Italics in [current] team parameter
Request to remove italics from team parameter per WP:ITALICS.Ponydepression (talk) 06:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You would need to get consensus for this. There is nothing in WP:ITALICS that suggests this change is necessary. -DJSasso (talk) 12:08, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

national team
I am not sure how to do this, could a change be made to allow for a fourth national team. Darius Kasparaitis has now played for the Soviet Union, Unified Team, Russia, and Lithuania but it will not display Lithuania in the infobox unless I remove one of the others.18abruce (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I made the change on the very off chance there is someone who managed to play on 4 but I don't think there ever has been anyone. That field is only for senior teams so Darius Kasparaitis wouldn't have four teams as the Soviet team he played for was a junior team. -DJSasso (talk) 02:56, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I noticed someone made the change to remove the soviet union from his infobox so it is probably unnecessary. Sorry I didn't notice that previous to making the request.  The only real chance would be players who play on multi-national teams, even then it seems unlikely.18abruce (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was the one way back that originally added the multiple national teams to the infobox like a decade ago and at the time I couldn't find anyone that hit more than 3. The only people that it every came close to applying to were those who were in the Soviet system as part of the switch over. Not all that likely to happen again unless another country has a split in the same manor. -DJSasso (talk) 00:28, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Canadian place names
I'm seeing a lot of formatting changes to Canadian place names in biographies, eg. Edmonton, AB, CAN --> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Was there a discussion or consensus somewhere that I should look at? Flibirigit (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Not specifically about Canadian place names but there was this Template talk:Infobox ice hockey player/Archive 5 which also links to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive66. There might be more in the archive, I can't recall, this was just the most recent. -DJSasso (talk) 16:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * If I am reading those correctly, it seems that the spelled out version is preferred. Flibirigit (talk) 17:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, pretty much. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada . -DJSasso (talk) 17:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should update this documentation?

Birth_place 	birth_place 	City, then comma, then country code; use country as called at time of birth. Seems to indicate codes if I read it correctly? Flibirigit (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess I should reword what I said, either is acceptable. The idea was to use common sense and in long locations use abbreviations, but there are some that always fall into the trap of everything has to be identical and thus they change all of them. I find its not worth battling over. I personally prefer state/province abbreviations where the location gets pushed to two lines. -DJSasso (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand your point. I thought it was a change I missed in my several years away from editing. Flibirigit (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah so the changes you are seeing are perfectly valid, just in some cases might not be ideal. The only thing that does erk me a bit is when people remove the link to the province, that shouldn't be happening as there was never a discussion to stop linking to the province. -DJSasso (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I looked at WikiProject Canada, but didn't see any discussion at that level. Flibirigit (talk) 19:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have never seen a discussion there specifically about it, only place I have seen it mentioned that I can remember were those two discussion and they were very specific to the hockey infobox. I think it came up because someone was using the Olympic codes for some countries which no one recognizes like TCH which wouldn't have happened for other types of articles other than possibly some other sports. -DJSasso (talk) 19:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I will let you change this template, and I will leave a friendly note for User talk:Rickyharder. Thanks Flibirigit (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I was the person that started one of those discussions and I was adding those Olympic codes (TCH for Czechoslovakia or URS for Soviet Union and others) as they are in fact recognized by international sports organizations. Just because North Americans do not recognize that does not mean that the same applies to Europeans or people from other continents. After that discussion I started removing them to keep it consistent, because there will always be people who will think that "Page X does not have abbreviations, but they are included in Page Y? I will add/remove them everywhere". So for the sake of consistency and unneeded edit wars, it would be better to leave them out. — Sabbatino (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Unified Korean team
I've noticed on the athletes for players in the unified Korean teams (particularly the one at Pyeongchang) the "Korea" team displays the obscure Taeguk flag that has not been used for decades. It's a misleading sight particularly for North Korean athletes such as this one. I would recommend setting a condition that would define the Korea team with the Korean Unification Flag that is being used at the Olympics and other sporting events in the past. -- Jeremy Ahn (talk 01:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Was just a bug, the template used to add that stuff didn't have an exception for a Unified Korea team added yet and the word Korea was still just redirecting to South Korea. Fixed now. -DJSasso (talk) 12:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Teams content
It would be useful to separate the various types of teams (such as current team, prospective team, etc.) into their own table rows without comingling them using \n formatting. This could help some automated scrapers read the content more easily maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1382:820D:ECCF:2E59:9012:CBB3 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That would make the infobox more messy and less pleasing to human readers. Not sure I would sacrifice real readers experience for scrapers. -DJSasso (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Nicknames
What about the "other_names" line? Many sports figures go by nicknames.--Artaxerxes 16:10, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We used to have a nickname field but it was often filled with things that weren't truly nicknames so it was removed. If something is a true nickname it will be mentioned in the lead of the article. -DJSasso (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Last edit change image size - revert
Please revert last unexplained and undiscussed edit. It force a default size for users with another preference. And if there should be a forced image size it should be 220px which is default size for this wikipedia. Please see WP:IMGSIZE for some background reading. Christian75 (talk) 05:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Pinging . -- / Alex /21  06:19, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Title
In the title parameter, please remove  to eliminate the oversized display when embedded, consistent with similar templates like infobox musical artist. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you please link to an example page where this problem occurs? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Heinz Henschel. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I changed the formatting to match the formatting at infobox musical artist. Let me know if it still needs improvement. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:00, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Hall of Fame
What about having recognition for players who achieved hall of fame status in WHA, US or IIHF hall of fames? Currently only the Hockey hall of fame has a banner at the top of the infobox so to find that someone (e.g. Ron Grahame or Red Berenson) had earned their way into a major hall of fame you typically would have to go to the bottom of a page, if at all, where it's almost an afterthought. PensRule11385 (talk) 08:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Well because making it to those halls are afterthoughts in the real world, they aren't of the same stature of the Hockey Hall of fame (except maybe the IIHF one). It has been discussed before and was pretty soundly rejected. I believe they weren't really considered major to use your term. If you started adding things like the US one you would have to add all the countries national halls and for most of them they aren't notable enough for the infobox, they are better handled in the prose of the article. Only truely major halls of fame are the Hockey Hall of Fame and the IIHF one. The US one isn't really major at all, and the WHA one definitely isn't. -DJSasso (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)


 * We should include the IIHF Hall of Fame in the available fields for a banner. It is a very prestigious honour. Flibirigit (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistency in weight conversion
The conversion from metric to imperial always displays a whole number of lbs, but the same is not true for conversion in the other direction. The result of this is that players weighing a multiple of 10 pounds and also more than 100 kg only gets two significant figures. For example at Jaromír Jágr 230 lbs is converted to 100 kg instead of 104 kg. I suggest the template is changed so that conversion gives exactly 0 decimals in both directions. MatsT (talk) 19:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe I have fixed it. I will have to look around to make sure there are no unexpected consequences but it should be doing weights over 100kg right now. -DJSasso (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)