Template talk:Infobox isotopes (meta)

2021 revision of the standard atomic weights
As mentioned on WP:ELEMENTS talk page, the IUPAC has released the 2021 Standard Atomic Weights of the Elements (kudos to DePiep for the speedy update of the abridged atomic weights). However, while the atomic weights have been revised, I've noticed that the references have not yet been updated to the corresponding IUPAC Technical Report. Is it possible to find some way to update all the references for the atomic weights and isotope abundances in the template to this paper? I'll be fixing up the Isotopes pages in the meantime.

(By the way, I may not be able to respond to comments or replies quickly, because I have exams coming up in the next two weeks. If you reply or have questions, please ping me.)

— MeasureWell (talk) 02:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * In general, see/use:
 * Infobox element/symbol-to-saw/overview
 * CIAAW2021
 * Infobox element (Infobox element/standard atomic weight format, Infobox element/symbol-to-saw/CIAAW-saw-element-page).
 * I will adjust this Infobox element isotopes to have automated values & formatting. Ping me if something does not look right. -DePiep (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Already done . See (Li example in /doc).
 * I don't see the question. Each isotopes infobox uses central SAW data, and so is updated per CIAAW2021 (changed values, value presentation uncertainty, abandoning "conventional", use new quantity symbol Ar&deg;(E)).
 * By /doc, there is individual parrameter standard atomic weight ref that can add extra reference(s). Up to template editor to change/update these, individual infobox/editor/element judgement needed. Can I automate this (eg, using WP:AWB)? -DePiep (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. Sorry for the misleading title and the confusion — I was referring to the fact that while the values of the atomic weights have been updated (which, like I said in my original post, great job and thanks for getting onto that quickly), the references next to the abridged values have not. For example, the abridged atomic weight for hydrogen still references the 2013 report, when clearly we should be citing the 2021 paper. Hope this helps! – MeasureWell (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ... but if you refer to this edit: these are not automated. Of course AME and NUBASE are screaming for automation (and so our isotope tables), but it takes some time really ;-) . Maybe better do put this data in wikidata right away (IIRC, NUBASE2016 is in WD). -DePiep (talk) 07:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Single isotope parameter ref
Added for all row subtemplates (stable, decay 1-4):
 * &lt;ref&gt;...&lt;/ref&gt;


 * /documentation :


 * This will show after the lefthand side isotope name:

Notes:
 * NUBASE2020: In general, referring to NUBASE2020 is not needed, as this is the default referencing for isotopes.
 * By specific decay mode: When the reference refers to a specific decay mode (&alpha;, SF), it can be added as opening text: SF decay:
 * No edits required: but in the long term it is advisable to move references from in-parameter into this one (for example, remove from 2 y&lt;ref>...&lt;/ref> to &lt;ref>...&lt;/ref>).
 * No edits required: but in the long term it is advisable to move references from in-parameter into this one (for example, remove from 2 y&lt;ref>...&lt;/ref> to &lt;ref>...&lt;/ref>).


 * -DePiep (talk) 08:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

ISOBOX reuse in Infobox

 * From WT:ELEMENTS:§ ISOBOX reuse in Infobox


 * -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

decay modes
About decay mode and NUBASE2020 (NB2020). See Decay modes (updated for NB2020; used in-article).

We aim to control the dm options used, as opposed to free input. For example, use/deprecate "EC"?

Some research to be done: "The most important policy in assembling the information about the decay modes and their intensities was to unambiguously establish whether a particular decay is energetically allowed, but not experimentally observed (represented by a question mark alone ‘?’, e.g. ‘IT ?’ or ‘a ?’, the question mark refers to the decay mode), and whether the decay is actually observed, but its intensity is not determined (represented by ‘=?’, e.g. ‘IT =?’ or ‘a=?’, the question mark refers to the branching intensity)."
 * Question mark $⟨?⟩$ used

"Similarly to previous versions of NUBASE [1–4], b+ denotes a decay process that includes both electron capture, e, and positron emission, e+, decays, so that one can symbolically write b+ = e +e+. It should be made clear that this notation is not the same as that used in ENSDF, where the combination of both modes is labeled as e +b+." DePiep (talk) 08:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Variants of meaning in of beta+


 * OK, so how do we write ε &beta;+ 100% then? I am trying to agree with the chart of the nuclides for I123 and I124. Gah4 (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikilinks
Template:Infobox isotopes (meta)/testcases has a few odd wikilinks to pages such as b, Chess (d4), g, dab e+ and (most unexpectedly) Abba (b). They should probably lead to something a bit more scientific, but I'm not sure exactly what. Certes (talk) 13:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, that's the Testpage at work! Projected efefct is, that when the link is nonsensical (like a DAB or abba indeed), the template corrects it. The good news is that correction works happens. -DePiep (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

IB ISOTOPES (meta) switchover
In the coming days or weeks, existing templates by Infobox element isotopes (meta) are switched over to use new Infobox isotopes (meta).
 * Also, new Isotopes/main/isotope will be used (single isotope row), replacing all variants like "", "", "".


 * Enhanced parameter set like link, mn, sym, na, hl, ref, dm1, perc1, link1, ref1, pn1, ps1, ..., dm4, .... See.
 * New
 * yes/no to add NUBASE2020
 * perc1–4 is added, percentage for dm1–4 decay mode. The value is formatted; "<" and "≪" when applicable.
 * ref1–4 for individual dm1–4 references.


 * Simple keyboard input
 * Parameters na, hl can handle simple keyboard code input.
 * na, hl.
 * Also, na will link &rarr; synth


 * dm1–4 recognise simplified keyboard input:
 * dm1 will show β+β+ . (No need to type ).
 * To wikilink, add code _link:
 * dm1 &rarr; β+β+.


 * Silent switchover
 * The instances by element name, "Infobox actinium isotopes", will keep their name (only templates under the hood are changed). No interruption needed in articles (actinium, isotopes of actinium). IB element also not disrupted.


 * Examples
 * Infobox roentgenium isotopes, has new decay-%
 * , errors (like: decay product incomplete)
 * , tracked, like "decay input code not recognised; shown unedited" (ie, no error just a list to check)
 * -DePiep (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC), 06:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)~


 * eg, isotopes of cobalt: two decay modes entered, to split? -DePiep (talk) 07:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

previous decay wikilinks
This is a list of previous wikilinks for decay modes (so, appeared like: IT - IT). The list shows that a single decay mode was linked to various target pages (redirects are shown resolved). Current redirects are standardised, see Isotopes/decay-mode/overview.


 * 1) α -
 * 2) α -
 * 3) β− -
 * 4) β&amp;minus; -
 * 5) β− -
 * 6) β− -
 * 7) &beta;+ -
 * 8) β+ -
 * 9) β+ -
 * 10) &beta;&amp;minus;&beta;&amp;minus; -
 * 11) β−β− -
 * 12) εε -
 * 13) β−β− -
 * 14) ε -
 * 15) β− -
 * 16) γ -
 * 17) γ -
 * 18) γ -
 * 19) IT -
 * 20) IT -
 * 21) β+ -
 * 22) e+ -
 * 23) β+ -
 * 24) SF -
 * 25) syn -
 * 26) trace -


 * 1) IT - internal conversion
 * 2) IT - isomeric transition
 * 3) SF - spontaneous fission
 * 4) e+ - positron emission
 * 5) syn - synthetic radioisotope
 * 6) trace - trace radioisotope
 * 7) α - alpha decay
 * 8) α - alpha emission
 * 9) &beta;&minus;&beta;&minus; - double beta decay
 * 10) &beta;+ - beta plus decay
 * 11) β&minus; - beta emission
 * 12) β+ - beta emission
 * 13) β+ - beta plus decay
 * 14) β+ - positron decay
 * 15) β+ - positron emission
 * 16) β− - beta decay
 * 17) β− - beta emission
 * 18) β− - beta minus decay
 * 19) β− - electron emission
 * 20) β−β− - double beta decay
 * 21) β−β− - double_beta_decay
 * 22) γ - gamma decay
 * 23) γ - gamma radiation
 * 24) γ - gamma ray
 * 25) ε - electron capture
 * 26) εε - double electron capture


 * REPLACE:=IT_link
 * REPLACE:=SF_link
 * REPLACE:=a_link
 * REPLACE:=b+_link
 * REPLACE:=b-_link
 * REPLACE:=b-b-_link
 * REPLACE:=e+_link
 * REPLACE:=epsi epsi_link
 * REPLACE:=epsi_link
 * REPLACE:=gamma_link
 * REPLACE:=synth_link
 * REPLACE:=trace_link


 * -DePiep (talk) 09:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)