Template talk:Infobox name

Derived
I am trying to make it so that "Derived" would also show up in the template. For example, when I put in the following,

I get this (without 'Derived', look on your right)

even though I tried to put in the "Derived" section while editing the template. Could someone fix it so that "Derived" would show up? NHRHS2010 Talk  20:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed it. You basically had it but you have to be careful with the capitilization in these templates.  You were using "derived" as a input field, but then you just used "Derived" when you tried to use it as an example. Remember 21:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary box optional?
In this edit the edit comment, make wiktionary box optional, indicates that the display of this infobox is optional. How is this? I want to have it disappear from Khalid (name) as there exists no corresponding Wiktionary article. __meco (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * By adding a "| wikt=" (nothing) paramter to the infobox template. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternate spellings should give an "all names beginning with.." link in addition to the main name.
For example, Julien redirects to Julian, but the infobox only allows one to click for all names beginning with "Julian", it should also have a link for "all names beginning with Julien", via the alternate spellings given in the infobox. 67.5.156.61 (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

How to disable "All pages beginning with"
Is there any way to disable the All pages beginning with 'option' within this template?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 04:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've removed this entirely; it's not an appropriate thing to include in an infobox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * has reverted this, calling it "useful". We have a search box on every page for this sort of thing: it is not appropriate for an infobox, especially as it has no value if the page is printed. This should be removed again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, i agree. Anyone can easily see and use the search box on the left. Also, editors can look to the left under "toolbox", click "Special pages", look under "Lists of pages", and click "All pages with prefix". Two mouse-clicks and you've got a list of all articles with a certain prefix. It seems like this infobox option is even more pointless on Template:Infobox_family_name, as the titles of most articles aren't going to start with a surname/family name.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Multiple languages
The language tab is screwing things up. It can only handle one language. It automatically links whatever you put in there. For example, if you put French, English, it wiki-links it to French, English. Can someone change the template to keep it from automatically doing that?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean the  parameter? You could use   is such cases instead. Also, how can a name have two languages of origin? Svick (talk) 11:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, the language parameter. Is there a problem with changing it? The documentation of the "origin" parameter is unclear. Why would we lump a language in with a location (region), especially when we've already got those two parameters? Many names have multiple origins, and some names have possible, suggested, or disputed origins. For example Heber, from a Gaelic and an unrelated Hebrew name; Broderick is from a Welsh name and an unrelated Gaelic name (which has been thought to be in turn from a Norse name). Howard has been stated to be from Old English, but is now thought to be from Norse.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think removing the automatic linking of  parameter is a good idea, because that would remove a useful link from a lots of articles. Instead I added two new parameters   and , that work the same way as  . What do you think? Svick (talk) 16:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea. It won't mess up what we've already got, and three langs should do the trick. Thanks Svick.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

"Language of origin", and "Origin"
I'm playing around with Gaelic language names. For the most part, these names are either Scottish Gaelic, or Irish. These names can have various origins, some from Old Irish names, but others from English, Old Norse, or Latin names. So how do I enter into the infobox that this name is 'Scottish Gaelic', and say derived from 'English'. We've got two options in the infobox: "Language of origin", and "Origin"; but they both seem to mean the same thing, and neither show what language the name actually is. I want to show the name is Scottish Gaelic; it doesn't originate from Scottish Gaelic, it is Scottish Gaelic. I want to rename the first option from "Language of origin" to just "Language", and let the "Origin" handle the 'English' origin for the name. Will this screw anything up?

Some of these options just don't make any sense to me: we've got "Variant forms" and "Alternative spelling", and then there is "Related names". The "derived" option doesn't seem to be working, so I can't test how it looks. I think [the "derived" option] should somehow work in relation to one of the language options, but it seems to be way down near the bottom.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest we combine "Variant forms" and "Alternative spelling" into one. I've got The Oxford Dictionary of Given Names out and they seem to use "variant", so I think we ought to follow suit. Most of the 'variants' I see in that book are just minor differences in spelling. I suggest "Related names" be changed to "Cognate(s)", which is used by the book, and is more specific. Cognates aren't always obvious alternate spellings.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm playing around with an alternate infobox here: User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh/draft2 Template:Infobox given name2. What do you think? The 'origin' of the name is in one section, and the alt names are in another.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I used the classifications that are used in the book I mentioned above: variants, short forms, pet forms, cognates, anglicisations, and derivatives. The 'Anglicisation(s)' option is to list the Anglicised forms of a non-English name; the 'Derivative(s)' option is to list the non-English names that are derived from an English name. 'Variant(s)' are just different spellings of the name in the same language. 'Pet form(s) is different than 'Short form(s)'; AskOxford.com defines a pet name as: "a name that is used instead of someone's usual first name to express fondness or familiarity" . I took out the 'region' option because I don't understand what it is supposed to represent.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Categorize?
If one of the kind template wizards might assist, could y’all add categorization? E.g., automatically adds a page to the category
 * Category:Japanese masculine given names

if origin = Japanese, gender = male ?

どうぞよろしくお願いします！ (Thank you in advance!)
 * —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger with given name2
I have merged template:infobox given name2 with this template per Templates for discussion/Log/2011 January 10. I was able to do so in such a way that a redirect from the other template works, but there is some redundancy, and the documentation needs some updating. However, there should be no loss of information, and the formatting fairly closely matches the newer of the two templates (per the TFD discussion). Let me know if there are any problems and I will do my best to address them. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Italics
Why is the name in the infobox in italics (font-style:italic)? According to MOS:ITALIC, it shouldn't. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've removed the italics. Gorobay (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Language parameter
Hi, what is the intended purpose of the language parameter? I'm in a back-and-forth with an editor at Anita (given name) who seems to think that since Polish people use the name, that he should populate the parameter with Polish. Isn't the intended purpose to describe the name's origin, not its global usage?

Wiktionary link when article name is disambiguated
The Clare (given name) article has a box labelled "Look up Clare (given name) in Wiktionary, the free dictionary". The link does not work because there is no Wiktionary entry for this phrase. The link should point to Clare. Is it possible to specify the Wiktionary target? I tried adding "| wikt = Clare" in the infobox, but this just removes the Wiktionary box. Is there a way to do this, or should the template be modified? Presumably I could set up a redirect in Wiktionary, but that seems the wrong way to achieve this. Verbcatcher (talk) 12:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You can specify the name, which is what's used to generate the Wiktionary link; in its absence, the is - now - used. If all else fails, you can insert a  box manually with wikt. Alakzi (talk) 13:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The problem has now gone away, presumably due to your recent edits to this template. Verbcatcher (talk) 13:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Izkala to PAGENAMEBASE which removed disambiguation qualifier—fixing the problem.  A few months later  User:Dbachmann decided to   without explanation as to why.  I did  and am waiting to hear a rational for removing auto-generated boxes.  — Dispenser 10:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Meaning of "derived"
Isn't the title of derived a bit confusing? For a user looking at the infobox, it's ambiguous as it's not really clear which way the derivation goes. Isn't it possible to replace it with a less ambiguous heading, like "Derived from" or "Source name"? Uanfala (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would also suggest Derived from, as in which word(s) it derived from.--Z oupan 00:14, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata
Could this template be made to fall-back to getting info from wikidata if a field isn't populated?Back ache (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Audio pronunciation?
Should the infobox have a formal way of adding an audiofle of a pronunciation? For example currently you would have to add an audio template. Back ache (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Merged with Template:Infobox surname 2019
Please feel free to add hatnote about the merge above for information. PPEMES (talk) 23:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Warning message
The template renders a warning message "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox name with unknown parameter "feminine" (this message is shown only in preview)" but feminine parameter is part of the template.--Carnby (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Now fixed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Motto
Using the parameter "motto" triggers the "unknown parameters" warning. Example article: Ó hÁdhmaill.-- Auric   talk  16:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Overlink
I suggest that we remove the link to Language as an overlink. Any concerns, or should I implement? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Get rid of "gender" field
For the vast majority of given names, the "gender" is completely subjective and shouldn't be listed as an objective fact in the infobox. Some names have "male" or "female" despite being used significantly by both binary genders and others say "unisex", and there seems to be no objective criteria. Others even say something like "unisex (usually male)" or something like that. Overall, it's a trainwreck amd we'd be better off if this field didn't exist. PBZE (talk) 02:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiktionary link when article name is disambiguated redux
Greetings and felicitations. The " " field is still mentioned in the documentation, but also still does not work. User:Dispenser seems to have stopped editing, at least under that name, in 2020. What is the opinion on adding back the function? —DocWatson42 (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)