Template talk:Infobox park/Archive 1

Image size

 * I want to set a default 'image size' of 275px that will automatically be defined, if the template in the parks page does not contain an entry in the 'image size' field. i want to allow each page to remain to have the option of defining its own image size if required. (Bobbacon 08:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

Coordinates

 * I can't seem to get the coordinates to show up in the article Leo J. Ryan Memorial Park. Smee 01:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Fixed - the cut and paste template on the main article page had the wrong tag,  Coordinates=  instead of just coordinates (Bobbacon 08:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

Not for state parks
Can this page say clearly that this infobox should not be used for large state parks? Those should take infobox protected area instead. Daniel Case 14:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

broken image
When I wrote Whale Watching Center back around April 122007, the photo appeared fine. I just looked at the page and now the image is a redlink. It appears this change is the most likely suspect, where someone added a default image if one is not specified.

A sampling of a half dozen articles using this template all seem to be fine, but I did notice they all specify a pixel size for the image. Isn't that against the spirit of image size style recommendations? Whale Watching is easily fixed by putting a pixel size in, but "thumb" worked quite nicely before, obeying the user's preferences. Thoughts? —EncMstr 23:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

annual visitors
A GA reviewer queried why the annual visitors figure wasn't appearing in the infobox for York Museum Gardens ... and I see it doesn't appear for the example given here, either! Is the template broken, or is the documentation wrong (eg different wording needed?) PamD (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Another editor working on York Museum Gardens has solved this: the text used in the template has to be "visitors=" although it then displays as "Annual visitors"! I've amended the template/doc page in 3 places to reflect this, and the demo infobox now includes the previously-missing figure! PamD (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

More image problems
The infobox is displaying this on articles without photos:. Some examples can be seen at DeSoto State Park, Blue Springs State Park, etc.... Can someone fix the problem?  Altairisfar talk  02:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit to template
I re-factored the template markup some. There is a bit less padding and I fixed the coordinate row alignment problem, and a minor bug involving the image caption. I also changed the label for the area row from Size to Area in order to conform with the style used in other infoboxes and for correctness. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  00:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Caption font size
If there is no objection I would like to increase the caption font size a bit. The current size is a bit unfriendly to those with presbyopia. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  00:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Designer?
Wouldn't it be an idea to include information on designer/landscape architect in this infobox?Ramblersen (talk) 16:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree, designer is often significant. The corresponding Italian wiki template has an "architect" parameter. I see that in some cases like Central Park the need to include the architect has been addressed by embedding another infobox template, which I think is not an ideal solution. --Elekhh (talk) 04:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree also, this is basic information that should be included in the template. It should probably be added between "created" and "operator". Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Added the parameter per above discussion. --Elekhh (talk) 06:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Using page name for default in template
In my experience it is not generally a good idea to let infobox fields default to the page name except when there is no possibility that the page name might need to be disambiguated at some time in the future. It takes only a few seconds to copy the name of the park into the template and I think it is worth it. I'll check that no articles exist that use the default. Please discuss such changes before implementation. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  19:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This is so widely used now as to be practically universal, and the alternative is for the title to either be blank or emit an error if unspecified: neither are satisfactory. A note that the title should only be omitted where the page isn't likely to be moved resolves this. On a secondary note, the title was moved back into a header row rather than using the HTML table caption, which is where table titles belong; that should be undone as well, unless there's a good reason not to. Allowing for the use of a completely arbitrary background colour is not a good reason IMO. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * These thinks often boil down to personal preferences, at least in my experience. As for the placement of the park name. There are a series of templates related to geographical features that use this method. Please see: infobox mountain, infobox mountain pass, infobox protected area, infobox lake, infobox glacier and others. I think consistency of style is an important consideration here.


 * As for using the page name, I discussed my rationale above. I've worked with templates, especially citation templates and infoboxes more than most and my experience is that using the page name as a default leads to errors. None of the infoboxes mentioned above use the page name default. I'll modify the template so that if the park name is omitted an error message is displayed. I hope this addresses your concerns. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  18:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. Sorry if my comments sound a but dismissive. That was not my intention. Your points are well taken. I agree that, in many instances, using the page name as a default value is advantageous and avoids future problems. In infoboxes I just don't think it is advantageous and entering the disambiguated name takes only seconds. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  19:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We should not be showing error messages unless it is absolutely required. Graceful failure is one of the core tenets of good programming. If this is indeed "personal preference" (I don't think it is), then either way should be acceptable, and the graceful failure argument alone should suffice to swing it. Incidentally, infobox lake has had PAGENAME fallback for nearly a year. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 09:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

This is the kind of issue which should be decided at MoS level, not for individual templates. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Update
I'm restoring the fallback again, as we're another year down the line and it's rare to see any infobox without PAGENAME fallback now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Documentation
Why has this template's documentation been split into several sub-templates? And why have references to Coordinates been changed to Coords? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:31, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've undone the split as there has been no response. This doesn't help with the maintainability of the documentation. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

geobox
I have proposed that we delete geobox. That may effect this templates. You are invited to particiapte in the Geobox deletion dicussion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

How are these parameters supposed to be used?
I've noticed that there are a lot of parameters that don't have explanations.

The following parameters are the ones that I can't find documentation for: | camp_sites =
 * hiking_trails =
 * terrain =
 * water =
 * plants =
 * species =
 * collections =
 * designation =
 * disturbance =
 * budget =
 * parking =
 * publictransit =

How should these be used? --MorbidEntree-(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (Contribs) (please reply using ,(unless this is on my own talk page) otherwise I may not see your reply) 00:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I do see some of these paramaters listed on the "Other parameters" section of Template:Infobox park. The ones I do not see are:
 * camp_sites
 * hiking_trails
 * terrain
 * water
 * I would assume  and   would list the number of campsites and hiking trails, respectively. I'm still not sure about the other two. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps  is for stating what kind of terrain there is (hilly, grassy, etc.) and water is for stating how many bodies of water and which kind (1 lake and 3 streams). --MorbidEntree-(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (Contribs)  (please reply using ,(unless this is on my own talk page) otherwise I may not see your reply) 06:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Coordinate conversion
In accordance with the RfC linked from Help:Coordinates in infoboxes, coordinates in this infobox will be converted to use coord instead of latd/longd, and similar parameters. will do most of the work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:05, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Map_image captions aren't working
See Deception Pass and High Line. When you have the "Map_caption" parameter instead of the "Map" parameter, the "map_caption" parameter won't show anything. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks - ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 02:10, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a bit of a fix by borrowing from Template:Infobox NRHP, as you can see here. Can someone make this change live on this actual template as opposed to just the sandbox? ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 04:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

url para
I believe url was intended to be replaced by website and articles still using url were added to Category:Park articles requiring maintenance. I have edited all such articles and the category is now empty, so this template can now fully deprecate url so that it is handled as any other unknown parameter. The category can also be deleted as now unnecessary. , please take a look. MB 15:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * looks good, I updated the code and tagged the category for deletion. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Image issue
What's wrong with the image in this template, on West Smethwick Park? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think  may have confused the template. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Mapframe
I've added Infobox mapframe to the sandbox; it displays if there are coordinates but no other map. Note that it uses Wikidata coordinates only, as in Infobox building. I'll wait a while before merging the change (even though I could do that right now) to see if anyone has concerns about its implementation. Jc86035 (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Address
Seems like there should be a parameter to allow specifying a street address, for easy navigation.

Jordan Brown (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Insert in sequence:   and then insert "address" in the parameter list at the end.
 * See.
 * Jordan Brown (talk) 05:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * We generally do not include street addresses in infoboxes unless the address itself is a notable part of the article's subject (for NRHP properties, for example). See WP:NOTTRAVEL. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * OK... the address seemed necessary to aid somebody in finding the park, and didn't flow well in the prose. Jordan Brown (talk) 16:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 26 January 2019
Template accepts URL as an alternate for WEBSITE, but if used it generates the UNDEFINED parameter message.

see above section on same parameter. MB 04:52, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- / Alex /21  05:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Obviously, url should be fully deprecated as described in Template talk:Infobox park. MB 19:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Template editors aren't here to code the solutions. We're here to implement them when they're already tested by those who want to make the changes but cannot, and when they're ready for implementation. Once the changes are made in the sandbox, then they will be moved to the live template. -- / Alex /21  01:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 September 2019
Not entirely certain what the problem is, or even if it's an issue with this infobox, but there's a weird formatting glitch on the Gardens of Babur article; in the second intro paragraph, one of the sentences is split between "the" and "terrace", and the broken sentence fragment is then placed below the infobox's bottom boundary. It doesn't seem to be occurring on high-traffic pages the template is transcluded into, and re-adding the space in between the sentence split of the aforementioned article doesn't fix anything either. Could someone please look into this issue? Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 18:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC) ToThAc (talk) 18:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , I'm not seeing what you're describing on the article page. Could you please take a screenshot or something? From what you describe I don't think it's an infobox issue but I'd have to see it to be sure. Primefac (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I can't find the issue anymore; it must have been the desktop I was using at the time. ToThAc (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 October 2019
Please change template call ifempty to if empty to avoid the redirect. The call to that template is transcluded in over 5,000 articles through being called in this template, so that unnecessary redirect has to be followed every time one of those articles is viewed. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. For further discussion see User talk:Colonies Chris. --Trialpears (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Missing Data
Most (all) parks are designed by Architects / Landscape Architects, Engineers, Artists, Contractors, Opening/Closing dates, etc.

Should be added fields — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themedpark (talk • contribs) 07:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)