Template talk:Infobox television episode

Template-protected edit request on 23 August 2022
I request that we change the ordinal of the season from the fully spelled out word to "nth" as in the following format (example):
 * 1st episode of the 2nd season of

rather than the existing format (example):
 * 1st episode of the second season of

I reached out to Infobox television episode for discussion; however, since there was no response and therefore no evidence of disagreement, this is an uncontroversial change and we can move forward with it. This change was proposed here in the past and the reply was to consult the other template page. Evidently with the mix of letters and numbers. Thrakkx (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Making the descriptions consistent will require changing Module:Television episode short description/sandbox. I have made one change, but the testcases show that more work is needed. Some season/series ordinals are still spelled out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you're reading the testcases correctly? It looks to me like the testcases with spelled out season ordinals are all using the live version rather than the sandbox (which you can see by the table header ending in  rather than  ) * Pppery * it has begun...  01:53, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am rarely sure of anything more complex than what is on my breakfast plate. I'll take another look.
 * At Module talk:Television episode short description/testcases, in the "test_1_2_descriptions_sandbox", I'm seeing "1st episode of the first season of Firefly" in the "expected" column and "1st episode of the 1st season of Firefly" in the "actual" column. I think I was misreading that as "sandbox/live" or something; I am not used to reading module testcase pages. Now that I have looked at it again, I think my Lua hacking actually worked, and I will deploy the changes to the live module. Please ping me to report problems or revert my edits if necessary. Thanks, . – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Remove episode list link?
Apologies for the possibly stupid question: how do you remove the automatically created episode link list in this template? Looking at Finale (Neighbours), and all other episode articles from that series, it links to a redirect to the main series page, so would be good to remove. I notice that Pretty Baby.... and etc. from EastEnders have managed to remove the link, but I can't figure out how this was achieved (there is a blank episode_list field in the infobox, but I can't replicate the effect). However it's done, could this be added to the documentation? U-Mos (talk) 21:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe it is automatically finding List of Neighbours episodes and creating the link (List of EastEnders episodes does not exist which is why a link is not being created for those articles). Taking a quick look at Neighbours it does look like there is not list of episodes or equivalent to link to so I think it would be reasonable to come up with some sort of override param to prevent the link from being created in these situations. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. In the meantime, would it be an idea to request a technical deletion of the redirect that is causing this? U-Mos (talk) 03:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought about that but I think it is something that would reasonably be searched for by readers and should therefore probably still exist as a redirect, so that's why I suggested we come up with a way to override the automatic link for these situations. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose it could check if the bluelink is a redirect, though I feel like there would be some false positives that got skipped that way (in particular, if the list page had a name change but the link wasn't updated). Primefac (talk) 08:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We wouldn't want to ignore redirects that are pointing to an actual list of episodes within the series article. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I think if a list of episodes doesn't exist, either as an article or as a subsection of the primary article (as in this case), it would be reasonable to have the existing redirect deleted at RFD. Primefac (talk) 08:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For clarity: List of Neighbours episodes is not linked to by any articles, save transclusions from this infobox, and exists as a redirect due to an ill-conceived and incomplete attempt at an article over a decade ago. U-Mos (talk) 23:30, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Changes to support episode segments in writers section
I've modified the sandbox here and at Infobox Simpsons episode to handle episode with segments like Treehouse of Horror II. This was done to handle the incorrect syntax caused in the writers section. See the versions at Template:Infobox Simpsons episode/testcases. Any comments, visual or otherwise, are welcomed. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Addition of "showrunner" in the template
"Showrunner" should be added in the template, and the entry should be listed above "Directed by," as the showrunner is responsible for all the creative and management responsibilities of that episode within the entire season. And remove the "producer" entry as the showunner(s) is typically credited as an executive producer. "Produced by" is inaccurately used here as that refers to the production facilities/logistics producer who facilitates the choreography, stunts, and other physical productions on set during live filming. 2600:1700:B331:50F0:C9F3:119E:1837:833 (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This previously came up at Template talk:Infobox television and the outcome was to have a new discussion about whether to:
 * replace the producer param with a showrunner param, since it is expected that the producer param be used for showrunners and we now have showrunner params at Infobox television and Infobox television season
 * or just remove the producer param and have nowhere for the showrunner in this infobox
 * I think my preference would be to have no producer or showrunner params, as the showrunner doesn't change from episode to episode and the information that is in this infobox is intended to be episode-specific. That is why we don't re-list the main cast here, only guest cast for the episode, for example. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * But the showrunner is also above the authority of the episode's writer and director (if the showrunner didn't choose to write it themselves), and they oversee the casting, guest stars, hiring of crew, selecting hair, make up and set design. I personally call for replacing the "producer" entry with "showrunner" for this infobox. 2600:1700:B331:50F0:C9F3:119E:1837:833 (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree something should be done with this. I can see both sides, in that showrunners are still likely credited each episode as EPs, even if they have no direct credit involvement for said episode (ie as the writer). But I can also see how that info isn't going to change episode to episode in a season, and is likely better left to the season and main article infoboxes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that this would simply be duplicated information, and should be a parameter used only in the season and parent infoboxes. Guest cast, writers and directors can (and typically do) change between episodes; showrunners typically don't. The only example I can think of being otherwise would be Star Wars: Visions. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 23:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From a serialized series standpoint, yes producer is the only one that looks like it could be removed. However, as you noted Alex, how would that affect anthology/one off types of series where each episode is largely contained to itself? Taking your Visions example, I haven't looked at any recently, but I still feel in that instance there'd likely be common executive producers to not necessarily need this parameter. module does still exist here to add additional infobox items, should that be absolutely vital. I wonder if it would be helpful to start up a tracking category for the producer parameter to get an idea of how it is being used before proceeding with possibly depreciating it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see how a showrunner per episode is helpful. Season level is important as a showrunner handles the season story arc, but per episode doesn't add anything. Gonnym (talk) 08:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sandbox has been updated to remove the producer parameter. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)