Template talk:Infobox tropical cyclone small

Just quick documentation to make this ready to go. I'll get this sorted (as with other IH variants) after the primary rollout.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Parameter list

 * 1) Type: Storm type (hurricane, tropical storm, typhoon, etc) - uses anything but ensure proper case
 * 2) Basin: use shortcode as with Infobox Hurricane
 * 3) Track: Track map
 * 4) Image: Sat image
 * 5) Formed: Formation date, defaults to "unknown"
 * 6) Dissipated: Dissipation date, defaults to "unknown"
 * 7) Winds: number only in knots as with other templates.
 * 8) 1-min winds
 * 9) 3-min winds
 * 10) 10-min winds
 * 11) Gusts
 * 12) Pressure: number only in mbar as other templates
 * 13) Prewinds: Use to add "<" or similiar modifiers to the winds
 * 14) Prepressure: Use to add "<" or similiar modifiers to the presure

Try to include 1-minute values for all storms. If the storm is in a basin where another measurement takes priority and has one, for instance 3-mins in the NIO, still include the 1-minute value. The value will not be displayed in the "winds" but is needed to determine the SSHS category.

If no image is available (for example in an older storm), use the track map for the image. Be sure to include the type of storm as in Template:Infobox Hurricane.

Duplicated templates?
Why is this template duplicated at Infobox hurricane small? The latter is properly named as neither Hurricane nor Small are proper nouns... — jdorje (talk) 04:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * These templates are not duplicates. This is a strict replacement for the other template, improving substantially on it and working in a very different manner. The other template cannot be modified to this without breaking transclusions on existing pages. That is why this is at this location. Capitalisation is not a big deal, not like the bad grammar in wikimarkup matters.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

New Section for still active cyclones
Can we put a second bar up if the cyclone the template is for is still active.... I can't do it but will someone else do it? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 16:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Faulty dash
Hurricane editors should know by now that date ranges are not separated by WP:EMDASHes, rather by WP:ENDASHes. The syntax here is too complicate for me to fix; please address. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

?
I am proposing that there should be a  between the wind speed and the pressure? We have a tropical deppression this hurricane season, which a wiki user decided not to put in a track image. --Mfs1013 (talk) 09:39, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the pressure should be displayed the old way. This is a small infobox, so it is intended to be minimalist. There is no room for that extra bit of info. Potapych (talk) 19:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

New or Original?
Lately, there has been a change in the Infobox's appearance. In my opinion, this change has made the Infobox too small, and when there is no image or track present, it is slightly elongated with a third line, which did not occur with the original look. I say we go back to there. Thoughts? -- TropicalAnalystwx13  (talk)  02:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I say you add in the image and the track parameters as that makes it work properly and we keep the new look infobox as it is a lot easier to maintain than the old one and looks a lot better than the old one.Jason Rees (talk) 02:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The font metrics change was deliberate: the fonts used now match those of infobox, and of all other hurricane infoboxes. If you can provide a text case for the no-image problem I'll be happy to see if it can be fixed. What you absolutely should not be doing is edit warring over some tiny aesthetic quibble that only you seem to have. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding new optional parameter
I have recently been toying with the idea of adding a new optional parameter to complement, much as currently does for ≤, ≥, <, or >. If a pressure value is unofficial or contested—that is, it is not extracted from an official source, or is in conflict with another source, but is the lowest reading available for a cyclone—I think a brief designation as such would be useful at the end of the pressure. My idea for the parameter: “	Optional	Use this to add an important note on the value of Pressure, i.e, whether or not it is officially listed in [tropical cyclone database listed here].” How may I incorporate into the coding for Template:Infobox hurricane small? Thanks for the help! CapeVerdeWave (talk) 00:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Header
In the value for WarningCenter if I try to put in an agency besides JMA or JTWC it appears like this: (HKO]]). This is evident in the 1970 Pacific typhoon season. I tried to locate where the code was in the template but was unsuccessful. Supportstorm (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed.Jason Rees (talk) 23:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Supportstorm (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

SSHWS messed up?
The Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale that is related to the template is a little messed up. In the 2014–15 season for Australian region cyclone Marcia was a Category 4 at only 100 knots. There is another case in which cyclone Adjali was classified as a category 1 with only winds of 55 knots. Please help to fix.Damien4794 (talk) 13:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There are no edits required or any probelms with this template. The problem is that the warning centres down in the Southern Hemisphere use 10-minute sustained windspeeds rather than 1 and have other scales which should and do come before any comparisions to the SSHWS, which is based on a 1-minute sustained windspeeds and is only offically used by two warning center - the NHC & the CPHC. When available we can take the 1-minute sustained windspeed estimate from the JTWC and compare that to the SSHWS, since thats what the media and NASA do for significant systems.Jason Rees (talk) 15:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * JR is correct. The winds from the JTWC are listed as 1-minute winds, which determines the SSHS category. The JTWC says Marcia has winds of 115 kt, which makes it a C4 on the SSHS. However, the Australian agency estimates winds by 10-minute winds, so their estimate of 100 kt goes onto a different scale. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Requesting for 2 missing class for typhoon
(Very Strong Typhoon) and (Violent Typhoon)

should be added for multiple reason

1:it can be hard to find the strongest storms sometimes cause all of them say Typhoon for all of them.

2:most split typhoons into 2 or 3 class but for some reason everyone leaves it as 1 http://www.typhooncommittee.org/tropical-cyclone-classification/

3:typhoon class looks out of place compared to the other scales

4:it will help for being more informative for people to see

this would be very helpful to do, me and others i talk to would stop getting confused by what storm is what with everything just called Typhoon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshoctober16 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Non-breaking hyphens
Is it possible to render 1-min and 2-min fields with non-breaking hyphens. Breaking hyphens look untidy. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 11:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)