Template talk:Languages

Includeonly?
Should this template automatically put the page into its User templates category? -The Big X 22:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Parser test
These are the parser functions I tried without the br 's (those are for show), but I need to use a different one:

Babelious (talk) 05:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems strange that this template differs so much from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages JonDePlume (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Why does "5" come before "N"?
The title says it all. Why? --Quintucket (talk) 05:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 September 2023
-0 is missing. For instance User en-0 or User fr-0-f. Need to add:

a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 12:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC) a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 12:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this was removed in November of 2018 and deemed to be "pointless". Any particular reason why this should be reinserted?  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 16:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Non-English speaking users who create an account here can use User en-0. This use case of -0 is for instance mentioned in Babel: one may usefully edit a project without speaking the language, such as adding links or images to Japanese Wikipedia without speaking Japanese. And in any case the userboxes still exist for all languages. 0-level user categories were removed from the English Wikipedia but this is unrelated to this template. So I see no valid reason to exclude -0 from here. What do you think? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I would not use it, myself, on the other languages I've edited without actually knowing the language. So it does seem pointless to me, as well. Since it was at one point deleted from this template, then adding it back in is controversial and would require consensus before using the edit template-protected template.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 07:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Add -0
As requested by @Paine_Ellsworth, I'm starting a new discussion to reach a consensus on this point.

User language templates exist from level 0 to 5 for all ISO 639 codes as explained on Babel. For instance User en-0 or User fr-0-f. -0 aren't categorized (consensus), but they're always listed together with other levels. For instance: Userboxes/Language/English and Babel/List. They should be listed here as well.

@BrownHairedGirl (indef ban) removed -0 in November 2018, commenting: remove link to pointless level-0 templates. "pointless" only seems to reflect their personal opinion as there is no trace of any debate on this topic (neither here nor in Wikipedia talk:Babel). I assume BrownHairedGirl would have linked to such a discussion if consensus had been reached instead of just giving their subjective assessment. Therefore, it looks like BrownHairedGirl took the liberty to delete it without consulting the community. This reason alone should be enough to add it back: no consensus was reached to remove it.

Moreover, the present debate isn't about deleting or keeping -0. -0 exists and is used. The community decided to keep it in 2016. So it should be listed here as it is on every single page about language user boxes. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 08:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Paine Ellsworth: what do you think? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Question - what case example do you have where it would be useful for an editor to note that they have 0-level at a particular language?

Other than perhaps english (which presents other issues), I'm just not coming up with any. - jc37 21:03, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * The reasons are given here: Babel and also here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User en-0. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 21:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * – you made a case, editor, that long-term consensus valued the -0, so it is restored until consensus for its removal is garnered.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 00:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)