Template talk:Lord Lieutenancies

Do we really need this? it seems mainly to duplicate the existing categories. Morwen - Talk 17:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems rather oversized as well. -- Roleplayer 17:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It is thought to move quickly from one Lieutenancy to another - categories are nice but it needs time to navigate. Furthermore I have changed the format, it is now smaller and can be hidden or shown. Phoe  talk 15:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't the Northern Ireland lieutenancies be on the Ireland template, as well? That's what they were until 1922. Lozleader 17:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I had it separated for a better overlook, but in principle, I would have nothing against this to change it. Phoe 19:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Rearrangement
I've re-sorted the list based on the following: Opera hat (talk) 23:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Separating out current and former lieutenancies to make it easier to see which are still offices held today; this also allows merger of Ireland and Northern Ireland sections
 * Rearranging the countries to England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland: this was the order (1580s, 1690s, 1790s, 1830s, respectively) in which the countries gained regular Lord Lieutenants so it seems to make more sense than previously.

Jointly-held lieutenancies
I have searched high and low for the names of anyone who held any of the lieutenancies for the counties corporate and thus populate the articles which are currently redlinks, and have found none. It would seem that, with the exception of the City of London and Haverfordwest (plus the Tower Hamlets and Cinque Ports), the lieutenancies of the counties corporate were *always* held jointly with that of the county at large. According to Sidney & Beatrice Webb's 'English Local Government from the Revolution to the Municipal Corporations Act Book II (1906) the holders of the office were specifically given authority over the whole county inclusive of liberties and franchises. It appears to have been part of the logic of the invention of lieutenancies to which sought to simplify the military administration of the country. The counties corporate were areas where the high sheriff did not have jurisdiction, but the lord lieutenant did. That being the case, I am going to be WP:BOLD and remove them from the template (or combine with their "mother" counties). Lozleader (talk) 13:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)