Template talk:Malay name

Variations
A separate variation to this template might be needed to explain the significance of bin (b.) and binte (bte.). Cheers, Jacklee 06:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I've created Malay name2 for the above purpose. Cheers, Jacklee 18:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Malay name2 has been merged into this template. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 16:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

"Bin" and "binte/binti": Arabic or Malay?
Hi, Izzudin, regarding your recent edit to "Malay name2", I realize that "bin" and "binte" are originally from Arabic, but aren't they used in Malaysia and Singapore in the Malay language? And in Malay "binti" is spelt "binte" and abbreviated "bte." Since the template is called "Malay name" and not "Arabic name", I think it would be more appropriate to change the template back to refer to the Malay usage rather than Arabic usage. Let's discuss this matter further. &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 12:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Bin' and 'binti' means 'anak lelaki kepada' and 'anak perempuan kepada' respectively in Malay. I am not sure if the words are accepted as Bahasa Melayu's derived words by the DBP. If 'bin' and 'binti' are malay words, why in Malaysia they say Indian names with 'a/l' or 'a/p' meanings 'anak lelaki (son of)' and 'anak perempuan (daughter of)' respectively and not bin or binti? 'Binte' is no longer spelt like that. Binti is used widely, as 'binte' will be pronounced as 'binté'. Yes, 'bte.' was once used to abbreviate 'binti', but now it is abbreviated as 'bt.'. Proof? See Malay's MyKad. izz  ud  in  12:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe the spelling "binte" is still widespread in Singapore. What do you think of amending the sentence to read: "The Arabic word bin (b.) or binte/binti (bte./bt.), if used, means "son of" or "daughter of" respectively"? &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 16:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Bin and binti aren't used by only Malays, but all Muslims. Malays are minority in Singapore while other countries like Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia that populated by a large number of Malays, and even Muslims or Malay in southern part of Thailand use 'binti'. 'Binte' will look odd but 'bte.' is ok. Same like 'Inche' that is now 'Encik'. But if there are a lot of Malay personality's articles that used 'binte', putting the 'binte' after 'binti' would be more ok because 'binti' is used more widely. Like: "The Arabic word bin (b.) or binti/binte (bt./bte.), if used, means "son of" or "daughter of" respectively" ... [[Image:Smiley.svg|15px]] ... izz  ud  in  15:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That sounds all right. Have made the change. &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 22:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to use footnote instead of hatnote
I started a discussion here as I believe these types of templates would be less jarring if they appeared as a supplementary footnote rather than a "warning" above the lead. —Designate (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Formatting
Should this template continue using underlines under each name? See MOS:UNDERLINE. Brad (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)