Template talk:Men's college basketball award navbox

Propose to collapse this navbox
This navigation box started out as much smaller and less comprehensive than it is today. It wasn't a burden to place it on an article even though it's automatically expanded because it didn't take up a ton of room. However, as (many) more awards have been added to this navbox, the need, I believe, has arisen to make this collapsed. I propose that a reformatting occur to make this template look more like Template:College Football Awards. The Cfb template looks great, is comprehensive and doesn't take up an exorbitant amount of space on articles because it closes when other navboxes are present. Before anyone (myself included) goes to make any dramatic change on this template, I wanted to get feedback from other WikiProject College basketball members (and even non-committed editors). Additionally, the need for separate men and women college basketball divisions is starting to arise now that the women's game is getting more attention. I'll get the consensus building started:
 * Reformat per my explanation above. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally agree with the proposal. As for the men and women issue, I would suggest separate templates but maybe a link to the other one in each. Remember (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. Definitely too large as-is. ~ Richmond 96   t  •  c   02:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree and also agree that the women's game should have a separate template. Rikster2 (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree women should have separate template. We need articles for the Lute Olsen Award and Ben Jobe Award.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just checking, you mean the Lute Ols o n Award right? Jrcla2 (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and started the Lute Olson Award article. Ryan2845 (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Here is a draft version below. Let me know what you think. Remember (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice job on the base template. I re-worked it a little and here's my version (please note that the footer to the women's awards is a link to the soon-to-be created Women's College Bball Awards template): Jrcla2 (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Are the Lute Olson and Ben Jobe Awards really major awards? These are part of a suite of awards introduced by collegeinsider.com this year that also include the Lefty Driesell award (best Defensive Player), the Lou Henson award (mid-major POY), Hugh Durham award (best mid-major coach), etc.  I guess I'm just not sure where you draw the line - do you start lisiting the ESPN.com POY and the Rivals.com awards?  For the most part the NCAA recognizes in their record book those awards that have been on the season pages the last few years, with the exception of the Senior CLASS award (which gets a lot of media coverage), the Haggerty and Geasey (which each have 50+ years of history).  Not opposed to adding new ones, just asking the question.  Rikster2 (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My opinion is: I don't know. I can see why the Lute Olson and Ben Jobe awards might be disputed for this template, but if they stay I'm not going to complain either. I agree with the Geasey and Haggerty Awards though, they need to be on here; they both have a lot of important American college basketball history. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought this over too. My initial reaction was: who is collegeinsider.com and why are they making up awards? But then I saw the list of people on their panel that is picking the winners and figured it was more than just some random website. Look at the bottom of the page for the Olson and Driesell awards, they have NBA players, college coaches, guys from Nike, ESPN/Fox, and conference officials picking the awards. Probably worth mentioning since a panel like that separates them from say ESPN.com awards chosen by one blogger. Ryan2845 (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I say we add the revised template now. It is good enough to replace the current one and we make make further modifications as time goes by. Remember (talk) 14:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

CollegeInsider.com navbox
In response to Rikster's legitimate concern about these new CollegeInsider awards as not being "major" (they're not....yet), I've made this template:

CollegeInsider.com men's basketball awards

I hope everyone likes it. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good idea for now. If the NCAA adds them to the updated record book this fall then we can move them to the main template. Ryan2845 (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I like it. Remember (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The 2010–11 NCAA Men's Basketball Media Guide officially lists the CollegeInsider.com awards, so I have 'd the above template and merged all of those articles onto this primary one. Hence the redlink. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Postseason
Is it out of line to add a link to the NCAA Tournament MVP? matt91486 (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're talking about the Tournament MOP, and it's already on there. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)