Template talk:NBA color

Colors
User:71.139.191.40 has made a couple of changes, and I want to point out why they're wrong: Please leave it like that and don't change it, as the colors are just as they need to be right now. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 10:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Bobcats don't have silver in their uniforms, but rather a bluish gray, which is already in use.
 * The Warriors' colors were off, here 's the proof.
 * The Clippers' main color is blue, as it is the main color on their home jerseys.
 * The Magic don't feature silver in their home and away jerseys at all.
 * The Kings' secondary color, silver, is already used for the second heading, therefore another color is used for the text in the first heading.
 * White is also a color of the Spurs.
 * The Warriors colors I posted were accurate, here 's the proof. The Clippers have always had red as their main color since moving to LA; look at their home uniforms before 2001 and their road uniforms since 1984. The Bobcats and Magic do have silver, look closer; the Bobcats' blue is clearly a different color. Please pay more attention to the logos and uniforms of the teams, because you seem to be throwing arbitrary standards out there. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 21:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I accurately documented my changes, you just claim yours are right. I pay very close attention to the colors, you just do your own things. You need to find some better arguments before making changes. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 21:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are projecting your actions onto me. I'm following what I see on official websites and images and in the games themselves. You need to find better arguments before insisting your standards on Wikipedia. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, you insist on having gold as a Celtics color when they clearly do not have that color on their normal uniforms, home or away, only in small bits on the logo and occasional non-standard alternate uniform. At the same time, silver is in the logos for the Bobcats and Magic yet you insist on not having those colors shown. Either apply the same standard to all teams or leave the edits to people who actually know the colors of teams outside of Boston. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Gold is featured on the St. Patrick's Day jersey of the Celtics, silver isn't featured on any jersey of the Bobcats or Magic. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 22:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just checked the NBA store . Silver is indeed on the normal everyday uniforms of the Bobcats (pinstripes between other colors, one of which is black) and Magic (silver star on collar, borders of lettering and numbers) as opposed to a one-time holiday-based outing, and the blue uniforms for the Clippers are still listed as alternate—unless the blues are becoming their primary road uniforms for the upcoming season, red should remain first or at least more prominent than white. Also, why do you insist on changing the Warriors colors when my edits match the exact colors of the official logo provided for Wikipedia ? It is obvious you are reverting my edits out of personal pride rather than what is clearly shown by official sources. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 23:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Out of curiosity, why should the single-use St. Pat's jerseys determine the Celtics' colours instead of something more notable like the logo?

You don't even know how much I have contributed to Wikipedia. I don't make disruptive edits at all, except for maybe 5 during the playoffs. The silver on the Bobcats' jerseys is the fifth color behind bluish gray, orange, black and white, and basically unnoticable, and silver is certainly not the color to be used for the text of the first heading, just because a single star is slightly gray. Also, I am basing the colors of the Warriors on the jerseys of the Warriors ( link to NBA store ), and the logo on Wikipedia doesn't always have to be the correct color. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 10:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's still obvious that silver and red are more prominent for their respective teams than gold is for the Celtics, you have to at least admit that (and for the record, blue is not "bluish-gray", big difference); a careful look at each team's uniforms clearly shows which colors are important for which team (specifically road uniforms, since every team generally wears white at home, even the Lakers on occasion). And the Warriors jersey you linked to isn't much different from the logo on Wikipedia; if anything, the jersey photo may be less accurate due to lighting considerations while the logo image better shows the exact intentions of the designer. There really is no reason to take this whole color thing personally; you've shown dedication to one team and I respect that, but keep in mind that this website is for everyone–you're not the only "expert" using this place–and that deep knowledge for one team doesn't necessarily mean ownership over what other teams have. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

As you might have already seen, I didn't change the Clippers and Bobcats colors, because I now agree. But I still think the colors of the Warriors are alright as they are right now. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 15:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The colours in a picture of the jersey are probably not accurate because, as said before, the lighting affects the shades. If the logo uploaded to Wikipedia isn't accurate, why not use a logo straight from nba.com?  I couldn't find a high-res version of the main logo, but the alternate logo makes a clear statement about the orange and gold with no gradients.  Also, in case 8-Hype missed my question earlier: why should the single-use St. Pat's jerseys determine the Celtics' colours instead of something more notable like the logo? — LOL T/C 16:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They use the St. Patrick's Day jerseys for 5 games, and because Boston doesn't have another color. White-green is boring. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 17:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Even 5 out of 82 games isn't notable, as that's still very rare. If you check the Celtics' website (or logo), you'll discover that a third colour does exist .  Please don't say that it's too "boring" or anything that is only relevant to your personal preference. — LOL T/C 17:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know there's a Celtics alternate uniform that prominently uses black; I've seen that one used more than the gold-accented uniform. I would personally assume that black would have more priority for the Celtics based on that usage (even in the logo), but after all that's happened here I'll leave that open for discussion. 71.139.191.40 (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, this color is already in use. Every team should have three colors. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 18:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Color contrasts
I see an attempt is being made to standardize NBA team colors, which is a good thing. However, changing the colors to use the primary color for the background and the tertiary color for the font (using the terminology of the template documentation) isn't a good idea. For example Detroit Pistons current roster has blue for the background and red for a portion of the font, making the template look like a badly-formed myspace page rather than something that belongs on Wikipedia. Seems to me that the colors should be arranged so that "1 color" and "2 color" are used together and "3 color" and "4 color" are used together and they are not to be intermixed. — X96lee15 (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, for the most part. But I still think that the current roster templates should have more than just two colors, because if not, teams such as Golden State and Indiana would have almost identical templates. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 19:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not so concerned about the similarity between some templates, but rather the ability to see that the team name and "current roster" are two distinct links without having to hover over them or sacrificing the readability of the text. Bright red on bright blue or vice versa is generally not a good idea because that combination makes the text hard to read.  I've created NBA current roster, which has only been used in my sandbox; can I get some feedback on it? — LOL T/C 19:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks perfect. Now this has also to be applied to all other templates and sections in articles (as I listed on your talk page). ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 21:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Official colors
It's time to settle this once and for all. Golden State Warriors: http://www.nba.com/media/warriors/GS1000_Logo.jpg (contributed in a previous discussion by User:LOL ) - #051641, #FFA813, #E13618
 * Clearly two shades of orange, or at least colors that are shifted towards warmer/reddish tones. This has been the case for the past 11 years.

New Orleans Hornets: http://www.nba.com/hornets/multimedia/0809WP_brand3_1024x768.html - #019AD6, #FFBA28, #18216C
 * They have switched to "Creole blue", as well as a darker purple and paler yellow. The historic teal color is no longer used.

Note that these images come straight from the National Basketball Association website and are consistent with recent team activity/presentations. It doesn't get more official than that. 71.139.165.115 (talk) 11:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I corrected the colors according to the same two sources you provided, because some of them were still wrong. ●  8  ~  Hype  @ 15:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleveland Cavaliers update
The Cleveland Cavaliers tweaked their colors to wine and (yellowish) gold. The secondary color should be changed from white to gold.--JaMikePA (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Accessibility
Many of the colour-combinations used by this template do not meet current WCAG accessibility guidelines, and so breach MOS:COLOR, because they the foreground and background are not distinguishable from each other for people with poor eyesight. I'll also raise the matter at WP:ACCESS and invite further comment. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To which my immediate reaction is to suggest an alternative that does meet WP:ACCESS. Most people will have trouble suggesting a suitable alternative so it would be ideal if you could give us a starter for ten....  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your starter for ten is the link to MOS:COLOR. But of course the default template colours are accessible… Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:14, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I say let's not sacrifice integrity for accessibility. That would be like, as Mark Twain described censorship, "telling a grown man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it." Tom Danson (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Readability of Miami Heat colors
Trying to read red on black is quite difficult, like in LeBron James' infobox. How is it decided for Miami or any other team which colors gets assigned to 1, 2, 3, or 4?—Bagumba (talk) 02:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * why wouldn't the lettering just be white like on the front of their road jerseys? My guess is the team chose white there for the same reason - it's easier to read.  Seems like making that change wouldn't sacrifice integrity since white is also a legit color.  Could do a red border if all three colors are desired. Rikster2 (talk) 03:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Would make sense, but I don't see it currently done that way. Like Lakers are yellow/white at home and white/purple on the road, but doesn't match the grouping in this template.  Not sure if the groupings are using a set logic or ad hoc per team.—Bagumba (talk) 03:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 March 2014
I would suggest the primary color of the Miami Heat be changed to red from black.

Sportsgamaniacre (talk) 02:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Please see the two sections above this one. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:27, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * and it is already black, see LeBron James. Frietjes (talk) 18:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * the OP was asking for a change "to red from black", not the other way around. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, I misread that one, but as you said, it should be discussed at WT:NBA or here. Frietjes (talk) 20:05, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request
Can we please change "Austin Toros" to "Austin Spurs?" The team has changed names but not colors. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * done. Frietjes (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Edit request
Can we add the Oklahoma City Blue of the D-League to the table? Colors are the same as the Oklahoma City Thunder (their parent team in the NBA). Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 14:05, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Rikster2, done. I noticed that there is also an "Oklahoma City 66ers" in there, which should probably be Tulsa 66ers? Frietjes (talk) 18:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no such franchise. The Tulsa 66ers became the Oklahoma City Blue (the 66ers are now defunct).  The Tulsa team should probably be taken off the table as it is no longer an active franchise. Rikster2 (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * done, and updated the doc for this template to just show active teams. Frietjes (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 2 June 2015
Please change the Atlanta Hawks to #F0163A and white in conjunction with their new logo.

JaMikePA (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please specify in the form  as per the instructions on Module:Basketball color/data. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like has already made this change to the module, so I'm disabling the request. Alakzi (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 April 2016
Please update the "Idaho Stampede" name and colors to the current "Salt Lake City Stars" JaMikePA (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

JaMikePA (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Can you please provide a reliable source indicating that this change would be appropriate? fredgandt 17:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The article on Idaho Stampede redirects to Salt Lake City Stars. However, I've deactivated this request because it isn't clear to me what the exact change should be. can you aid? --Izno (talk) 15:58, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ABasketball_color%2Fdata&type=revision&diff=713568522&oldid=713531150 fixed]. Frietjes (talk) 13:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 April 2016
66.87.64.116 (talk) 19:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Izno (talk) 19:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC).

Please update the "Template:Northern Arizona Suns roster" and players template to the same colors of its NBA Parent Club Phoenix Suns. Basketballfan12 (talk)

Template-protected edit request on 5 May 2017
Please update the  Syracusestorm (talk) 07:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Syracusestorm, please make your request at Module talk:Basketball color/data, this template uses the colors from that module. Frietjes (talk) 13:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 July 2017
Please update the colors for the Fort Wayne Mad Ants:
 * Column 1 #002D62
 * Column 3 #FDBB30
 * Column 4 #BEC0C2


 * 

Roberto221 (talk) 17:20, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Roberto221, please make your request at Module talk:Basketball color/data, this template uses the colors from that module. Frietjes (talk) 13:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 12 September 2021
Well, Gonnym, there are now over 500 Misnested tag with different rendering in HTML5 and HTML4 lint errors as a result of your recent changes. I believe you can fix the problem by removing the newline before. Please try that. — Anomalocaris (talk) 16:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Did it fix it? Gonnym (talk) 16:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 18:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)