Template talk:Neo-fascism

Celtic cross
While it is true that the "Celtic cross is also used by millions of mainstream Protestants", I can't think of another image more appropriate for neo-fascism generally. It has been used by the broadest spectrum of groups (from far-right nationalists, to neo-Nazis, to Third Positionists, to the "White Power!" variations). The particular image is a "nationalistic stylized Celtic cross", not the Christian's (with the extended lower arm).


 * I'd say the Celtic Cross is far more strongly associated with Roman Catholicism than Protestantism. You'll see loads of them in Ireland, where they are seen as a purely Christian symbol without any baggage. (Jmc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.84.110.37 (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That millions of people in, and from, Asia use the swastika, and that you can see a fasces in the U.S. House of Representatives on C-SPAN every day, doesn't disqualify our use of them as symbols of fascism. —Morning star 16:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC).


 * I dunno, I kind of prefer the cartoony fasces to the Celtic cross. The fasces are more representative of Fascism whereas the Celtic cross is more representative of Neo-Nazism. However, the Template is primarily a list of Neo-Nazi groups right now. - DNewhall

The Christian Celtic cross with the extended lower-arm is a different symbol. The symbol featured here in the Neo Fascism template is Odin's Cross, or the Sun cross. Either way the symbol is ancient and existed long before Neo-Fascism and carries absolutely no historical relation to Fascism of any kind. I strongly protest the use of the Sun Cross as a symbol for Neo-Fascism on Wikipedia. The fact that the symbol is popular with fascists is yet another case of highjacking and vandalism of an ancient symbol. The Nazi Flag at least was distinctive from the traditional swastika, while the use of the Sun Cross is blatant theft. Please do not contribute to the destruction of this symbol by encouraging the association of this "oldest and most universal religious symbols" ( Sun cross ) with FASCISM! The fasces is far more appropriate as it is an ACTUAL symbol of fascism and not an ancient symbol highjacked by Neo-Fascists. Americaneinherjer, 6 June 2006

The swastika is also an ancient symbol, but I can't think of anything more appropriate for Nazism (the nazi flag is not distinctive from the traditional swastika at all). The Fasces is the symbol of Italian Fascism, not Neo-Fascism. The symbol used by Neo-Fascists is the Celtic Cross, not the Fasces. Mitsos 19:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If a symbol for neo-fascism can't be agreed upon, then there shouldn't be one. I see no evidence the sun cross/celtic cross is anywhere close to being widely recognized as a symbol of neo-fascism. Some groups use it, but many more apparently do not. Choosing some groups' symbol over others without good reason introduces a bias. Sχeptomaniacχαιρετε 16:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree. The Celtic cross was adopted by the French Popular Party (aka French Fascist Party), later in the 70s has became a symbol of neo-fascism. The Fascio Littorio is not very common among the neo-fascists - The Celtic Cross is more common. --RVD3 (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)RVD3

shortened template
I've shortened the template. This is not a place to include political movements or parties. Neither do specific neo-Nazi elements pertain to neo-fascism proper. Intangible 23:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not? I'll agree that it needs to be trimmed down but you've removed pretty much all the content from the template. - DNewhall


 * That's because it at all pretty much referenced elements of neo-Nazi movements. For the political parties, a list of post WWII fascist parties can be made of course. Intangible 23:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I just removed a few things that definitely aren't related. We might also be able to remove the following:
 * White Power
 * Nazi-Skinheads
 * White nationalism
 * Roman salute
 * We can also add Fascism and ideology to the list I think. The list of mvoements does need to be trimmed though. - DNewhall

Color
The dark grey headings make it hard to see the dark blue "show" links that expand the sections. I don't know of any way around this other than to change the colors. We can either lighten the gray, or invert the colors entirely and use gray (or black) lettering against a white or light gray background. Any other ideas?  Will Beback   talk    21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've lightened the gray.   Will Beback    talk    23:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

All Polish Youth
All Polish Youth may be considered as far-right, but has nothing to do with fascism. Best Regards. Kojoto Kojoto (talk) 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Fourth Political Theory as Neo-fascism
There is a recurrent addition of Russian subjects (people and parties) to this template that are under the Fourth Political Theory, like Aleksander Dugin and Eurasia Party. The members of the 4th theory, though, oppose to fascism, describing it as "Third Political Theory". To prevent edit wars, it'd be better if there was a consensus among the editors to whether the Fourth Political Theory is under neo-fascism or not. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Shinzo Abe
Donald Trump supported the South Koren liberal Sunshine Policy, supported the human rights of Comfort Women, and was not an anti-Korean racist. However, Shinzo Abe opposed the Sunshine Policy, denied that Comfort Women was sexual slavery, and was an anti-Korean racist. Therefore, by South Korean liberal standards, Donald Trump is a liberal conservative or moderate conservative, and Shinzo Abe is an anti-communist fascist. Therefore, the 'Shinzo Abe' must be added to the Neo-fascism template.

I don't think Donald Trump is a neo-fascist, but I have no objection to it being added to the Template. However, Shinzo Abe is more fascist than Donald Trump. Shōwa Statism is more of a classical fascism than Trumpism. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I also think Trumpism is not fascism, but all right wing politicians in Japan are fascists. We call those who deny Nazi war crimes "Neo-Nazi". Donald Trump does not deny Nazi and Japanese war crimes. Shinzo Abe denies Japanese war crimes. The main enemy of South Korean feminists is Abe and ALL LDPJ politicans, not U.S. Trumpism. (I am a South Korean liberal and feminist, not an American liberal and feminist.) Mureungdowon (talk) 01:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Shinzo Abe has provided funds to far-right ultra-nationalist kindergartens that insist on killing Koreans. This is a clear fascist by European or American standards. In addition, I can bring the source that Shinzo Abe is a fascist. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Most Koreans think of Abe as a far-right, but most Koreans don't think Donald Trump is a fascist. No South Korean thinks Shinzo Abe is more moderate than Donald Trump, but rather, for South Koreans, Donald Trump is a much more 'absolutely' moderate politician than Shinzo Abe, Trump is a South Korean standard left-liberal who supported the Sunshine Policy. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)