Template talk:Non-free Mozilla logo

TfD debate
This template survived a discussion at TfD. The debate can be found here. -Splash talk 17:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

The need for a second license template
In case it's still unclear. This template describe a "by permission", non-commercial, non-derivative type license. So if it's used on it's own with no fair use tag it's the archtype for the improper license speedy criterea. The alternative would be to just turn this tag into a fair use one. --Sherool (talk) 06:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mozilla images have been debated for a very long time. Though Mozilla releases them—read the template in full, and the Mozilla copyright pages it links to, if that is the problem—Wikipedia policy forbids this sort of thing on a generalized scale. Still, I think the way we're using these images qualifys as fair use, if nothing else. I am not a lawyer, but I think that, for simplicity, we need to include the relevant parts of logo in this template, rather than just tack it on. The other problem is use in things like Portal:Free software. But I'm willing to compromise. Let's work out the cases where fair use applies, then to the fuzzy cases (reader-facing but not strictly needed), then the ones where it does not.--HereToHelp 22:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Why must Mozilla logos be used sparingly?
Mozilla logos are under a less restrictive license than just being fair use, yet this template insists that on Wikipedia, the same restrictions apply to use of this image as to fair use images.

Essentially, Mozilla's license for logos removes fair use criteria number 9, that fair use images may not be used outside of the main namespace. Why not update the template to reflect this? —Remember the dot (t) 19:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Since no one has replied, I'm going ahead and changing this template. —Remember the dot (t) 20:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole purpose of the template is to explain a very delicate issue that falls between the cracks in Wikipedia policy: Mozilla has allowed their use but still retains restrictions on them and keeps them proprietary. The previous revision was meant to make sense of the Mozilla FAQs and list the restrictions that Mozilla has placed on the logos. Changing it to a generic fair use template accomplishes nothing. I'm sorry I did not see your post earlier, before you rewrote the template, but on good-faith grounds will not revert you agree with me now that I have explained the reasons for the old revision, or a compromise is reached.--HereToHelp 02:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as Fair Use #9, I agree that it is voided. However, some users have historically clung to the policy despite what I interpret as sufficient permission to use the images outside of the reader namespaces. Despite what restrictions Wikipedia may or may not put on the template, it still should list Mozilla's restrictions (non commercial, unmodified, etc.) and sources for them.--HereToHelp 02:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I rewrote the template again to be more like the old one. I think the most important thing about using Mozilla logos is the question "Does a free equivalent exist, or could one be created?" That criteria narrows down how these logos can be used a lot, and prevents use of semi-free images from getting out of control. —Remember the dot (t) 05:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Works for me. Let's just hope nobody else disagrees. Trust me, there were pages of discussion on a userbox that wanted to use this template.--HereToHelp 11:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking about the use of this image in userboxes...on the one hand, it makes Wikipedia a little nicer, but on the other, I completely understand the desire to keep Wikipedia as free as possible. Especially in light of the Board's unfree content resolution, perhaps we should change this template back. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we definitely should, and I am going to immediately. --Iamunknown 04:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the wording a bit. Feel free to criticize and switch around.  --Iamunknown 04:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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This template is deprecated, because Mozilla have made all his logos free: "The default logos in CVS[//www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/list/] which are built into Firefox and Thunderbird by default (i.e. the globe without the fox, and the original blue bird) are explicitly not protected as Mozilla trademarks. The files themselves are available under the mozilla.org tri-license;[//www.mozilla.org/MPL/] you can do anything you like with them under those terms."[//www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/faq/] "The logo files containing our trademarks are available under the following copyright licenses: vector logo files under CC-BY 3.0 or later;"[//www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/licensing/website-content/] → User: Perhelion  17:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It says the globe without the fox; the version with the fox is still trademarked. 207.6.121.132 (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)