Template talk:Non-free Scout logo

BSA councils
Can we add a sub-tag for BSA councils? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

inclusion to fight off deletionists
I have included this text on the template, because deletionists are starting to delete Scout images that have the Scoutlogo template, saying we need a separate fair use rationale. ==Fair use rationale==
 * This is the national emblem for the article in question, where no free image can be made, this is a direct image illustrating the badge itself.
 * Its use here is entirely encyclopedic in nature.
 * This does not in any way limit the ability of the copyright owners to market or sell their product, being a low resolution image.

Chris 04:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * further editorial The tagging of images with Scoutlogo is accepted and standard practice of the WikiProject Scouting and should not have to be rejustified on each image. The images are being used to illustrate the proper topics. Chris 07:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but not all of them are national emblems.Rlevse 10:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure this will work for what you want. I think the bots are looking for something other than the template. As you may have noticed, I've been updating a number of BSA images with (hopefully better quality) PNG versions. As I include these in articles, the older GIF and JPG versions are being orphaned and deleted- that is OK. I am also including a fair use rationale for each image. I am using the same text, but it seems to be meeting the requirements. I know adding the text is a bit of a pain, but is really quite easy, and it is required. So far, images that have been deleted have been easy to reproduce. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 05:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point, if we come across an image that's FU, try to customize the rationale. The image people have strong wiki support because it keeps wiki from being sued like Youtube is right now. BigDT is our best person to ask for image questions. Rlevse 10:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, the betacommandbot doesn't pick up the FU rationale from the template, so I've dropped one on a few of our images so it'll notice them, such as Image:Metal engr.png; this makes two FU lines, but oh well.Rlevse 22:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that says "Note that boilerplate fair use templates do not by themselves constitute a sufficient explanation as to why an image is permitted." So, the rationale in the template is useless and possibly misleading. I recommend we delete it. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, if the same reasons apply, just copy from one image to another. Someone will eventually figure out it's in a template and ping us for it. Yes, it's a pain to do them all one by one, but it's easier than fighting off the FU deletionists.Rlevse 01:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

If there is no further discussion, I am going to remove the rationale and add a not to the template page that the rationale must be added separately. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

defunct or out-of-copyright insignia
I suggest to to make a modification to the template, for defunct Scouting insignia-those being worked on at Graphic Lab/Images to improve are between 20 and 45 years out of use, so they may actually not have copyright holders any longer. Chris 19:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-free rename
a bot, that doesn't think, retagged our scoutlogo template with "non-free logo", when I get a chance, I'll rename the template "non-free scoutlogo" and fix this mess. There is now a wiki policy that non-free templates have to have "non-free" in the front of the name.Rlevse 11:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For the policy in question, see Non-free content/templates. Rlevse 11:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do we need to go in and manually retag all that the bot messed up? Chris 20:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Gadget and I have done a lot of it. Any help is welcome.Rlevse 20:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Especially since I have this work thing here... --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

All non-free Logos
It looks like we need to include Category:All non-free Logos All. I tried to add it, but it did not work as it should. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I got it.Rlevse 17:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)