Template talk:Non-free video game screenshot/Archive 1

wow
Talk about a run-on sentence... "It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots for identification and critical commentary on the computer or video game in question or the copyrighted character(s) depicted on the screenshot in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law, as such display does not significantly impede the right of the copyright holder to sell the copyrighted material, is not being used to turn a profit in this context, and presents ideas that cannot be exhibited otherwise." 03:10, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Table of contents breakage
The table of contents on Category:Screenshots of computer and video games currently does not work correctly. All letters link to Image:LETTER, but the "Image" part of that is ignored for the purpose of indexing the images. I think this should be fixed in this template, rather than in the category page, because some images are included within the category without using this template, and those do work correctly. If someone knows how to fix this, please do so. Thanks! StuartBrady 03:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it wasn't that either was wrong, but that they didn't match. Generally we index image categories by the image name so that not everything ends up under I, so I fixed the category page and undid the template change.  JYolkowski // talk 18:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but there are still images under 'I' which don't belong there. CategoryNamedTOC|Image is used for other categories and works for those categories, which is why I tried to fix it in the template. Thanks for trying, though. StuartBrady 21:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's more to this than I first thought - some images that use Template:Game-screenshot are affected. StuartBrady 21:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What you need to do is to make null edits on all of the images indexed under "Image". Simply popping into edit and hitting "Save page" will cause the images to be re-indexed to the proper place in the category.  JYolkowski // talk 03:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, done - thanks! StuartBrady 13:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Company that developed the game
Do you think it would perhaps be better changed to: "the copyright for it is most likely held by the company or person that developed the game?" This template is used for a screenshot of Scorched Earth, which was developed entirely by one person. Just a thought. 87.232.1.49 21:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification needed
Ok, there are editors using this vague template as an excuse to over-reach Fair Use. ... Please read: 1, 2. BcRIPster 21:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A photograph is copyright to the photographer.
 * The contents of the photograph are copyright to the owner of the content.
 * Fair-use is you taking a photo of a game to upload to an article.
 * Fair-use IS NOT taking a photo from a random website and uploading it into the Wiki.
 * What sort of change are you proposing? From the sound of things, it seems the users involved may need to be reminded of our fair use policy; if there's a particular template modification that could resolve this, I'm not sure if I see it, and it's not clear what sort of change you want, either way. =\ So, what sort of text would you like added or removed? Luna Santin 03:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking something expansion on the bullets above, but I'm not sure how to keep it concise? The problem relates to a lack of understanding of where the lines for fair-use and derivate works reside in regards to screenshots of games found on the web. There appears to be this belief that any screenshot of a videogame is fair use, discounting the fact that that only applies to the photographer/publisher of the original photograph. A reuse of that photo by a third party without consent of the photographer is a copyright violation. BcRIPster 03:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Game screenshots are generally considered to have their copyright reside in the maker of the game, rather than the taker of the screenshot, because that's where the creativity came from. A reviewer won't come after you for reusing their screenshots (and would be on dubious ground anyway). Is there an example I'm missing? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 08:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing personal, but for the sake of brevity, maybe you should read this recent exchange I had at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_21 in its' entirety. Then come back and we can talk more. Don't feel bad, most people don't understand all of this, and the gaming mags haven't helped matters much. A screenshot of a game is covered by two copyrights. One with the content (by the game creator), and the second with the photographer (who took/published the photo). The photographer may have fair-use/derivative works protections depending on how he intends to use the photo (thereby protecting him from being sued by the content creator). A third party who wants to use that photo has to get permsion from the original photographer first, and then if they wish to use the content of the photo in a commercial manor, they will need permissions from both the content creator and the photographer, and possibly owe both royalties. If the third party wants to replicate the photo in a fair-use/derivative works arangement, then they may only need permission from the photographer. Just because game magazines don't go around suing everyone doesn't mean they can't. They have that right. Thanks. BcRIPster 09:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Quick comment. Without forming an opinion on the discussion, there doesn't seem to be a consensus to change the licensing template at this time; you may wish to pursue dispute resolution or head to the village pump or appropriate image policy talk pages (perhaps WP:FU?) so that such consensus can be achieved. Luna Santin 22:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

After consideration I have added the discussion entry at WP:FU. BcRIPster 21:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Add link
Can you add link to article screenshot, thanks. ---Majestic- 12:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

"This is a screenshot of a copyrighted computer game or video game..."

categorization
I'd like to request that the template be moved from to. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

SVG image should be used.
Can someone please update the image to this one? Image:Gamepad.svg

Thanks!--SUBZ3R0 ( Talk 20:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

✅ Done. Sandstein 22:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Encouraging fair-use rationale
I have proposed a wording change to our non-free image templates, and I'm trying to keep the discussion centralized here. Please join in the discussion. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the category...
Since the category the template uses, Category:Screenshots of video games, has a number of sub-cats, is it possible it add the same functionality that Non-free game cover has? That is, to allow the screenshots to be catted directly to the sub from the template in stead of having both the parent and sub.

Thanks for listening... - J Greb 16:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

For GPL game screenshots
editprotected

You know like for The Battle for Wesnoth, that game is open-source, yet whenever they go to tag screenshots of games, they always go for the "non-free game screenshot" tag. Think maybe we could add one of those ''If this is a screenshot of free software (GPL, BSD, etc.) do not use this template! Use the license tag that correspond to the license instead, optionally alongside to categorize as a free screenshot'' boxes to this tag? ViperSnake151 12:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 16:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Red copyright.svg
Please add one above the present image. It will make the fact that the image is actually copyrighted clearer. — Kalan ? 17:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In addition to, or instead of, the current controller image? &mdash; Coren (talk) 04:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Make like ?
The aforementioned category has subcategories for each system, so as to make it easier to navigate and to clutter it up a lot less. Why not do the same thing for ? After all, there already are a few categories for certain consoles set up. N. Harmonik (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Freeware
I think we should create a template for freeware because this template has been used in images of free but copyrighted software (specially videogames).Marco94 (talk) 02:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyright owners?
Shouldn't we also list the copyright owners? they deserve proper credit too. 68.36.214.143 (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Edit request
editprotected Request: Can you please replace the two images with this version? Image:Copyrighted video game icon.svg Thanks in advance! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request
There is a text in the template which show as "non-free", but link to the Free software page. I'd like to suggest to replace the link to Proprietary software.

--Drhlajos (talk) 08:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --CapitalR (talk) 14:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

mk interwiki
Please add mk:Шаблон:Неслободен скриншот на игра interwiki. Thanks. -- i Nk u b u ss e ? 22:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 22:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Covers and Screenshots
editprotected You know how Template: Non-free game cover is made so that you put this (|) then the console's name to have the image put in a specific sub-section? Maybe the same thing could be done to this template. If the screenshots were put into console-specific sub-sections, it would make navigating them much easier. N. Harmonik (talk) 21:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Not done. The request is not specific enough. Please provide the exact code you would like to change.  Sandstein   13:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just add the text between the 'nowiki's: To make it easier, maybe Category: Screenshots of video games should be moved to Category: Video game screenshots. N. Harmonik (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Change link
Change the video link to video game. It read like the template was for videos and computer games instead of video games and computer games. RP9 (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 23:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Computer game
The link to Computer game needs to be changed to Personal computer game (maybe have it as computer game . This is the correct link and is needed since the template is widely (fixing links in templates and infoboxes is allowed).  TJ   Spyke   17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, cheers, Skomorokh,  barbarian  08:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Like game covers?
I know I've said this before but I thought it important to reiterate: you know how Template: Non-free game cover is made so that you put this (|) then the console's name to have the image put in a specific sub-section? Maybe the same thing could be done to this template. If the screenshots were put into console-specific sub-sections, it would make navigating them much easier. Just add the text between the 'nowiki's: To make it easier, maybe Category: Screenshots of video games should be moved to Category: Video game screenshots. N. Harmonik (talk) 01:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your idea sounds good, but it is quite a big change and probably deserves some discussion before going ahead. Therefore I have disabled your request for the moment. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

PS, I see your request has already stood for two days without comment. Maybe you could bring this up at WT:VG? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Video game screenshots and covers
I believe there is enough consensus from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games to move forward with better organizing the screenshots. Note the coding I provided above, I think it'll work. N. Harmonik (talk) 03:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please update the documentation. If you want to move categories, please start a discussion at WP:CFD. Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Er...When editing the template, you captialized the 'V' in 'Video'. Because of that, practically all of the screenshots are in a nonexistent category: Category:Screenshots of Video games. N. Harmonik (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair-use rationale
Other templates, e.g. Non-free software screenshot, Non-free web screenshot include a more prominent (notice) reminder for the uploader to include a rationale. They also include a parameter to set when such a rationale is in place. While Video game rationale can be used to substitute parameters in the Non-free use rationale, it's not linked to in the reminder here in Non-free game screenshot. Is it reasonable to ask for this template be amended as follows? Thanks for reading. -- Trevj (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Notice reminder to draw attention
 * Suggest use of Video game rationale
 * Addition of image has rationale parameter

Bug?
Does the template support only three subsections?. When I add more it only show three. See: File:Baconing screenshot.png, File:Portal2-chamber-comparison.jpg. --Mika1h (talk) 13:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Update to allow for NFUR status check
Please consider replacing the current code about To the uploader with

as a paramater to the license template. }} }}

which enables the NFUR status to be tracked. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 December 2012
As far as I can tell, the change to this template made by SchuminWeb on November 19 was never discussed, and thus there was no consensus for it established. This makes it a Bold edit. I would like to take the next step in WP:BRD and Revert it, but I cannot, since I am not an admin. Therefore I request that an admin revert SchuminWeb's edit of November 19. Thanks.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see my comment at Template talk:Non-free video game cover. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. See discussion at User talk:SchuminWeb. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 10:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Platform sort
So why do we sort by platform with this template? It appears wasteful as a category because the screenshots may not be consistently from the platform (e.g., games on multiple platforms). If they need to be sorted into smaller categories, I imagine sort by developer would make more sense (the actual author), if sort was necessary at all. czar 17:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 March 2016 - new logo, simplify wording
WikiProject Video games has adopted a new project logo which can be seen at the top of this talk page. This edit request updates replaces an image derived from the old logo with the new logo, and separates the copyright symbol for clarity. I have also simplified the wording slightly, mirroring the text at Template:Non-free video game cover, but have not changed the meaning. I believe this edit request is uncontroversial. Replace the image parameter with the following Replace the text parameter with the following This is a screenshot of a video game, and its copyright is most likely held by the game's publisher or developer. It is believed that the use of a limited number of low-resolution screenshots constitutes fair use under United States copyright law. Other uses of this image may be copyright infringement. For more information, see Non-free content. PAGE''' ]]) 21:37, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * for identification and critical commentary on
 * the video game in question or
 * the gameplay elements depicted on the screenshot in question
 * on the English Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,
 * hahnch e n 21:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I replaced the image, but you will need to get a consensus before making substantial changes to the wording. Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

PAGE''' ]]) 04:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree with the wording change. -- Pres N  21:59, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been two weeks now, you can update the text. - hahnch e n 16:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Can somebody replace the WikiProject Videogames logo with File:Gamepad.svg? I consider use of the WPVG icon in stub/cleanup/copyright/etc. templates advertising (similiar to making asbox transclude a little icon that says "WikiProject Stub Sorting" with no parameter to turn it off). KATMAKROFAN (talk) 23:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Izno (talk) 02:23, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I had to revert edits from March because they were using stub templates to advertise a WikiProject. WPVG icon needs to be deprecated. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * How is a template holding an image an advertisement? The common user will not see the template phrase, only the image, which is functionally equivalent to the previous image. If you think the template should be deprecated, WP:TFD is -> that way. --Izno (talk) 03:16, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nuvola looks better than boring/flat icons (except in some cases). KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:56, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, so now you're using a subjective rationale, which basically means you made a large number of fairly disruptive changes. I definitely do not think you had consensus for any of yesterday's changes... --Izno (talk) 11:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I was being bold. How about continuing to use the flat logo for WPVG and the video-game portal, but using File:Gnome-input-gaming.svg for the stub, (non-Wikipedia-space) navigational sidebar, and copyright templates? KATMAKROFAN (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD is not a defense of 50-some-odd edits without obvious consensus documented in a guideline or even the briefest of discussions with other users. See WP:BOLD. I'm not here to negotiate with you, however; it's your job to find consensus, and that includes other editors. Your actions have also been questioned at WT:VG, so that would be a good place to start. --Izno (talk) 11:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Usage text needs correcting.
(For the platform names you can use, see the subcategories of Category:Video game screenshots.) → (For the platform names you can use, see the subcategories of Category:Screenshots of video games.) --The1337gamer (talk) 09:06, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 09:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 15 June 2017
Can you please change the Category:Arcade flyer images to Category:Screenshots of arcade games? It's causing arcade screenshots to be placed in the arcade flyers category instead! N. Harmonik (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC) N. Harmonik (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅; this was a mistake on my side, all fixed now. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 17:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That was prompt. Thank you! N. Harmonik (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ...How long until it takes effect? N. Harmonik (talk) 18:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Usually that is once a page cache is purged/cleared; automaticly I think it triggers all 12 hours, but alternatively you can go to an affected page, click edit and then save again (even though it does not change the article in any way or leave a bookmark in the edit history, the cache will be refreshed). Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * They're still there... N. Harmonik (talk) 02:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmmm that's weird, maybe the cache does not refresh regularly for files as they are not expected to change often. I went through all transclusions from the wrong category and purged their caches. The categorization should be fixed now. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hallelujah! It worked! Thanks again! N. Harmonik (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Cross-platform screenshots?
I wasn't sure where to bring this up so I apologize in advance if this isn't the proper place. For games that are cross-platform, like BatMUD and 3Kingdoms, what specific video game screenshot categories should their screenshots be placed in? N. Harmonik (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The concept of a "platform-independent game" does per se not exist really, as for the two you listed, both require a PC and any Internet browser software, since it is playable online. For such cases, just use Category:Screenshots of browser games. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, what are the differences between Category:Screenshots of browser games and Category:Screenshots of Flash games? I was under the impression that all browser games use Flash. N. Harmonik (talk) 18:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Flash games are games that were created using Adobe Animate (formerly Adobe Flash), though a lot of games find themselves made in Unity (which uses the WebGL render for online applications), and HTML5 games as well as Java applets have been around for a long time. Flash is "just" one of the many things you can make games for your browser in. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Where should screenshots of Roguelikes such as Brogue be placed? N. Harmonik (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Accodring to their website, Windows, Mac and Linux. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 19:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)