Template talk:Patronymic name

(Continued discussion from Talk:Mare Dibaba) The idea behind creating and using this template (Gr5555, correct me if I'm wrong) was to have something more neutral than &#123;&#123;Habesha name&#125;&#125; for use in articles about Ethiopians who are not Habesha. However, I am guessing there are other scenarios where we could use this template, i.e. where a template does not already exist for a particular naming convention. It may be worth considering merging the sourced content (amounting to a paragraph or so) from Habesha name to Patronymic name, and then using this template instead of. (For now, it's just an idea.) As for adding this template to other articles, I'll take a look and see what I can do: generally, I can recognize an Amharic-language (or Tigrinya) name, but I'm not so sure about Cushitic names, such as Oromo names. In fact, I think there are some names in this list with an Amharic given name and an Oromo patronym (e.g. Tirunesh Dibaba, Asrat Megersa). Somali is also a Cushitic language, but its speakers use Arabic given names (most if not all Somalis are Muslim), yet (as far as I can tell) the naming doesn't precisely follow the Arabic convention (which I believe does incorporate a family name, e.g. Qaboos bin Said al Said). Similarly, there are other Ethiopian Muslims (Habesha and non-Habesha) who have Arabic names, but I'm guessing they're more generally patronymic names rather than specifically Arabic names. (And in places such as Wollo, I would think it's possible to have a full name that includes Amharic, Oromo and Arabic names.) For now, I am switching templates on a few articles (see this list). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * As to the persons who are Cushitic, not Abesha, here are some:

Kenenisa Bekele, Girma Wolde-Giorgis, Derartu Tulu, Gezahegne Abera, Tirunesh Dibaba, Abebe Bikila, Genzebe Dibaba, Almaz Ayana, Fatuma Roba, Sileshi Sihine, Berhane Adere, Gete Wami, Negasso Gidada, Haile Fida, Gudina Tumsa, Ali Birra, Bakri Sapalo, Onesimos Nesib, Merera Gudina, Teshome Mulatu, Tadesse Birru, Lencho Letta, Ebisa Adunya, Baro Tumsa, Elemo Qiltu, Waqo Gutu, Asrat Megersa I just listed some people who are Cushitic, not Abesha. Their articles may or may not have the hatnote we are talking about. Tumsaa (talk) 11:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've updated a few of these (some didn't have the template at all). I got through Gete Wami, for now. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:16, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Not "addressed"
At this moment, the template reads "... This person is addressed by their name ...". To say that people are addressed in a given way is to say that that is the way one names them when speaking to them, not when referring to them in the third person. If my name is John Smith, that isn't remotely patronymic, yet one can address me as "John". Or as "Mr. Smith". Or, informally, as "Smith".

The point of this note is to tell us, not how to speak to the person, but to indicate that it is proper to refer to this person, in the third person, by given name (when not using the person's full name) in the article on the person, in the context of Wikipedia's Manual of Style (whereas John Smith, when not being referred to as "John Smith", would be referred to as "Smith"). Largoplazo (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)