Template talk:Public art row/Archive 1

Request for more parameters
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Public Art. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Request renewed
Below is a list of the changes I'd like to be made to this template so that metadata could be generated from the list of public art in the City of Westminster. Ham (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * New parameters
 * architect and designer (the same column; the header would read Architect / Designer)
 * Commonscat
 * Wikidata


 * Changes to existing parameters
 * location and coordinates combined in a single column?
 * designation any way of applying the historic site colour templates here?
 * material, dimensions and owner made optional parameters?

Those sound like sensible adjustments. For location, would you prefer longitude and latitude over OS grid references? Nev1 (talk) 21:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As Google Maps allows you to find latitute and longitude, I think so. Ham (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I support these changes. Maybe User:RexxS can help? How should Commonscat and Wikidata display? As icons? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Discreet icons are good by me. Perhaps they could be in the final two columns to the right, with the header text abbreviated to C and D, which could display mouseovers reading "Wikimedia Commons" and "Wikidata"? Ham (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I've just added Commonscat and Wikidata; I'll look a the other changes, above, later. I've also made artist optional, so this template can be used in artist biographies or work lists. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I've merged the coordinates and location columns. Before we go any further, what do folk think? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the changes so far. Where a coordinates field hasn't been filled "" appears, instead of it being blank (see e.g. at List of public art in Greenwich). Also, and this may be really difficult to fix, the template still doesn't look very good with lengthy notes fields (see e.g. List of public art in Kensington and Chelsea); is there any way the notes can be on a row below spanning all the columns except for the one with the image? The alternative (for avoiding visual clutter) would be to make some parameters not appear unless their fields have been filled, but perhaps that raises just as many problems? Ham (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The coordinates problem is fixed; (for reasons I cannot fathom, you need a blank coordinates parameter to suppress the display). I'm not seeing a problem with the notes column; which row(s) did you have in mind? In any case, I'm loathe to add the notes on a second row, I think that would harm accessibility. We can hide columns, but not parmas within rows or columns. BTW, it's best to leave parameters empty, or type "none", than to use long dashes. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Point taken about it being impossible to hide rows. Charles II at Chelsea Royal Hospital is an example of what I mean about giving breathing space to the notes; on my screen the notes are so squashed that you wouldn't want to read a text that was any longer in a column of that width (and the ones on the Westminster list get pretty long). Meanwhile two fields to the left of the notes are empty. Ham (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Better Wikidata rendering
I propose to drop the option for a "Wikidata" column, and instead use Wikidata icon, below the name. I've applied the latter in the Sandbox, and you can see it in 'Example 4' in the testcases page. Note, though that the old column is also still present, for now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As the creator of the 'Wikidata icon' template, I build it to make a more visually appealing way to link to a wikidata item in a WP article, without having to actually either spell out the whole WD label or the whole wikidata Q number, neither of which is particularly useful to a WP reader (especially in the context of a list where you'd be using it multiple times. It also has the advantage this way of allowing you to keep the bolding/italicising/linking/red-linking that you'd prefer for the title of the artwork independently of its wikidata link. Wittylama 09:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)