Template talk:Rating-Christgau

Removing turkey rating
According to Christgau's site: "What distinguishes a [turkey] from a [dud] is that it's reviewed and graded." A "turkey" is not a rating like "dud" or "choice cut", but its simply a list of records with low letter grades. Albums with low grades (eg: B- to D) will be considered "turkeys" but have their own rating. With this being said, I am going to remove the "turkey" parameter because it does not apply here and any albums currently using that parameter should be switched to their appropriate letter grade. – Dream out loud (talk) 22:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Honorable Mention
After the star(s), there need to be the words "Honorable Mention" (with the caps - per his website explanation) - otherwise his star rating doesn't make sense (ie a 1 star album isn't a 'poor' album, just a type of average one).

I'll give this a go now, but it's a while since I've looked at these things. If I don't succeed in adding the phrase, perhaps somebody else could try. Ideally "Honorable Mention" would be linked using the link above, and the star would be on it's own (ie not one of three).

You have to say that Christgau's post 90's grading is idiosyncratic to say the least! Matt Lewis (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Remove parentheses
Please remove the parentheses from the letter grades. These were useful when the ratings appeared next to the name of the source in the  parameter of Infobox album, but that parameter has been deprecated. Ratings now appear in Album ratings, in which the source and rating have separate columns, so the parentheses are not needed. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Every album article I've seen that uses Album ratings puts parentheses around the score (except for rating), including both letter grades, numerical grades, and adjectives (ie: "positive", "negative", "mixed"). This is aside from the use of this template, therefore the parentheses should stay. – Dream out loud  (talk) 03:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That is an error caused by the fact that most of the moves (from infobox to ratings template) are being performed by a bot, so they are simply being moved in whatever form they were in in the infobox (most of which used parentheses). It was helpful to have the rating in parentheses when it was in the infobox, to separate it from the name of the source, but now that the two items are in different columns & cells of a table it makes no sense to place them in parentheses. Note that none of the non-letter ratings used by this template (stars, scissors, bomb, etc.) automatically applies parentheses, and as you point out neither does Rating. Nor do the example at Album ratings. Can you give a substantive reason why parentheses are needed around a data point that has its own cell within a table? It is akin to placing all chart positions in a chart table within parentheses...in other words, totally pointless. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Tooltip
Can a tooltip be added to the honorable mention ratings, so when a reader moves their mouse over the rating, it can say more than "(3-star honorable mention"? Maybe add to that with a quote from Christgau's grading key? For instance, with a 3-star honorable mention rating, the tooltip can read "3-star honorable mention: "an enjoyable effort consumers attuned to its overriding aesthetic or individual vision may well treasure." Otherwise, it seems out of context if and makes explaining the rating in prose/an article's section more necessary if the rating would be used. Dan56 (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)