Template talk:WPMILHIST Announcements/Archive 1

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First Crusade has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. OpenSeven (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

question
whats the diffrence between "critique" and "review". is the Battle of the Thousand Islands ready for either of these?


 * Generally speaking, "critique" refers to articles listed on Featured article candidates, while "review" refers to articles listed on Peer review. I would suggest adding your article to the peer review page; it's not always useful, but can often produce some good recommendations.
 * Hope that helps! &mdash;Kirill Lok s hin 18:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Changed formatting
I found the taskbox before a bit too cluttered and busy, so I've brought it down to a slightly simpler look with fewer colours, so it's easier to follow, which I personally prefer. Of course, this is only what I feel works best so if anyone objects I don't mind at all changing it back or having it further modified. --Loopy e 01:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks good. I've changed the collaboration from a bullet point to an arrow, though; I think it's useful to make a distinction between regular tasks and one-time things. —Kirill Lok s hin 01:55, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Bolded the whole lot, then =) --Loopy e 02:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Commonwealth of Nations
Commonwealth of Nations is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. (Can someone please add it to the article page?) Sandy 15:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Quite honestly, I can't see what that article has to do with military history, as it's entirely political in scope. Kirill Lokshin 20:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Krill, I probably notified here because it was included in the "What Links here". Sandy 00:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

England expects that every man will do his duty
England expects that every man will do his duty is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 00:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 00:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Operation Downfall
Operation Downfall is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 21:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

USS Wisconsin (BB-64)
USS Wisconsin (BB-64) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 14:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Eureka Stockade
Eureka Stockade is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 21:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Leyte Gulf FAR
Battle of Leyte Gulf has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy (Talk) 22:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

help with ww 2 article please
Hi. could some of you guys please go over to the World War 2 article? There's currently a proposal there by only two users to rewrite most of the article, mainly to shorten it. I'm very concernred that only two people could rewrite an entire large article, consisting of dozens of people's work, without any underlying consensus. It seems to me that this would mean the removal of the work of many people by a small handful of users, mainly to attain what they consider the "correct" article length. So I'm disturbed that this is happening without any underlying consensus. i'd feel a lot better if a few more people could come over to the article, and take a look. Thanks. --Sm8900 04:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Picket duty
Many articles refer to "picket duty" or "picket" but it doesn't seem to be defined or covered in an article anywhere. 2nd Vermont Brigade and USS Mannert L. Abele (DD-733) both use this term several times and it appears in dozens more. Is this an article that should be added by someone familiar with the topic? ✤ JonHarder talk 03:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems to me like it's a more appropriate candidate for Wiktionary. The "picket" entry there right now is incomplete, leaving off this once-common use of the word. Pickets, as you probably know, are sentries or advance troops whose job it is to warn of contact with the enemy. Not sure if that's enough for an encyclopedia article, but certainly "pickets" and "picket duty" should be mentioned in an article like military terminology, which is currently one of the worst articles on Wikipedia. —Kevin 06:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, crummy article. There was a brief discussion a few months back about creating some sort of glossary of military terminology to take care of the various topics that needed an easy-to-locate definition, but didn't have enough material for an actual article, but I don't think it really went anywhere concrete. Kirill Lokshin 06:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is the oddly named List of established military terms, which needs work but would be a good place to start for someone interested in doing the job. —Kevin 06:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick responses! I suggest trying to pull together enough information to make an article; the other terms in List of established military terms have one! There must be substantial difference between US Civil War picket duty and the radar picket duty mentioned in USS Mannert L. Abele (DD-733). This appears to be a case where the article writers assume I have a background understanding, but in this case I don't have a clue what is meant! Or I had to go to other websites to figure it out. If the experts here decide to start an article, I'm more than willing to ferret out all the articles that have such a reference and add the link. (I may have started this discussion in the wrong place; if so, please move it!) ✤ JonHarder talk 03:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle of the Somme FAR
Battle of the Somme has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 00:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Military history of the Soviet Union FAR
Military history of the Soviet Union has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Alesia FAR
Battle of Alesia has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Zeppelin FAR
Zeppelin has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

A proposal
Why don't we add to the template the military history good article candidates? It would give them major visibility, and possibly make the evaluating of these articles faster. What do you think?--Aldux 20:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, there are various subtle considerations (the GA process is not really highly regarded within the project, for one), but the main practical reason is that it doesn't use individual review pages (or any other standard and long-term place for discussion), so creating links for each article is rather impractical.
 * (I'd be open to just adding a single link to the section on the nomination page where the articles are listed, under the "Articles needing attention" heading; but I'm not sure how useful that would be.) Kirill Lokshin 20:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In theory, someone could monitor the GA process and add every article to the banner (using a link to the article talk page, perhaps? a lot of GA discussions seem to occur there), but, as Kirill points out, the GA process is not highly though of within the project, so I'm not sure that nominations would attract a lot of attention from project members even if they were listed in the announcements section. Carom 01:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem with linking to the talk page is that an editor following such a link would have no idea what they were supposed to be doing there, since there's generally no GA-related discussion actually on them until after the nomination has already been dealt with by a reviewer. The advantage of explicit subpages is that you can click on the link and wind up in the place where the review you're trying to participate in is actually happening; I don't really see any good way of linking to GA candidates on a per-article basis and still having the links point somewhere useful. Kirill Lokshin 01:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - personally, I don't have any desire to add the GA nominations to the announcements template. I was only suggesting a possibility for a link if there was some support for doing this. And of course, this is only one of the problems with the whole GA system... Carom 02:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Military history of the Ottoman Empire
The Military history of the Ottoman Empire portal is under construction now. --  FayssalF  - Wiki me up ®  12:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Military history of Africa
Military history of Africa Portal has just been created. --  FayssalF  - Wiki me up ®  19:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Duly noted. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 21:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire FAR
Byzantine Empire has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Iraq war Portal
I created a portal for the Iraq war Portal:Iraq War but it doesn't appear to be getting much edits. Does anyone have any recommendations for improving the traffic and usability of this portal.--Langloisrg 19:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Here are best guesses at the Iraqi Security Forces "Orders of Battle" (ORB) link ISF ORB at Longwar Journal and link Aug 2008 updates including 10.8 billion worth of equipment purchases --3dc (talk) 00:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)3dc

vandalism
User:Casavette has been editing war articles glorifying Ossama Bin Laden and replacing kill numbers with random numers. Not everything has been reverted. Fvdham 21:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oorah Semper Fi
I was wondering if maybe someone could start an article on Stingray Patrols in Vietnam. I know a little about them, but not enough to actually get an article started. Any takers?--MKnight9989 13:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history of Austria
Not being an expert myself I'd like to arouse some interest in this topic. Maybe this could lead to improving some of the existing articles and hopefully creating new ones. And someday establishing a Portal:Military History of Austria. Take a look at Austro-Hungarian Army, Military history of Austria, or Military of Austria. I'd say help is definitely needed. There is a lot that could/should be done. Austro-Prussian War seems to be a little better, but only a little. It is rightfully categorized as an article without any sources. --Catgut 23:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

WWII - Atlantic Black Gap ??
I've heard of the "mid-Atlantic Gap" and I know what that is, and I'd presume that anyone who said "Atlantic Gap" in the context of WWII would mean the same thing, but I can find no trace of "Atlantic Black Gap". Is the middle word ancient uncorrected vandalism? Or just something I've never heard of before? CraigWyllie 06:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

American Indian/Native American
One of the largest gaps in the subjects is an area for American Indian war or military history. This would include the negotiation of treaties, Management of Native American affairs- which predates the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), The Exploratory Corps (Army) which mapped the Pacific coastline, Fort Astoria/Fort George conflicts, and operations in the Pacific Northwest after the Mexican-American war. Additionally Forts established in Indian Country, each of which deserves a page. Also USA wars against Tribal Nations. Some of this needs to be checked on and referenced under Military history. Coyotez 20:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Use of this template at peer review and design issues
At the moment, this template is not suitable for transclusion at peer review because it is too big. When transcluded as WPMILHIST_Announcements onto another page, the template adds the following to the page size parameters:
 * Pre-expand include size: 638214/2048000 bytes
 * Post-expand include size: 739277/2048000 bytes
 * Template argument size: 163058/2048000 bytes.

Even when transcluded in the form, as it was at WP:PR, it adds the following:
 * Pre-expand include size: 501906/2048000 bytes
 * Post-expand include size: 466657/2048000 bytes
 * Template argument size: 163064/2048000 bytes.

This could easily push the PR page over the transclusion limits, and it nearly did today. See Template limits for more information on these limits, and also tips for making templates smaller (see in particular the sections on documentation and conditional inclusion).

However, I really think that this template needs a redesign because it mixes form and content. It is not sensible to have to edit a template full of tables to add a peer review to the list or make an announcement. It would be much better if this information were transcluded from separate pages with names like WP:WikiProject Military history/Peer review list. It is easy to provide links on the template to update these lists using the parser function. This has the advantage that the list information can be formatted and used in different ways on different pages without any complicated template code. I see that this is already done for the task force lists (but these also partially mix form and content).

I hope these suggestions are helpful. If you need further elaboration of these thoughts, or some help redesigning the template, please let me know.

As one final point, WikiProject banner templates such as this one (which seems to be only transcluded onto a couple of other pages) really belong in Wikipedia space, rather than Template space. They can still be made easy to use via a shortcut. Cheers, Geometry guy 17:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Noted; we'll consider how best to redesign this. Kirill 02:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it looks much nicer now! It would still have been a large transclusion, but fortunately, the new preprocessor was switched on yesterday. This fixes the bug that #if parser functions expand all their arguments. Anyway, the template is fine at peer review now (it only adds 3600 bytes). Geometry guy 11:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Australian HMAS list
Hi there. Noticed this page [Her_Majesty%27s_Australian_Ship] was on the list of pages to be tided up, it's a stub article and half the data was wrong. So tidied up and added references. Can someone run it through a bot or something to decide if it needs more work.

thanks 83.105.8.125 (talk) 18:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)user 18:28 17 March 2008

WP Signpost on FAC and FAR/C reviewing
Dear colleagues—This week, it's all about how reviewing at these locations are critical to maintaining WP's high standards, and the other advantages of being a reviewer. Here's the link:

Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches

We're happy for the word to be spread, since we need more reviewers; if you have a mind to review, please drop in. Tony  (talk)  08:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Article on Robert Nivelle on GA hold: Needs expansion before it can become GA standard.
The article on Robert Nivelle is currently on GA hold. The article requires more information about Nivelle's life, especially concerning his legacy, and his pre-WW1 service, before it can become GA-class. I would like to request that people work on addressing this issue. Your help would be greatly appreciated, and you can credit yourself with 'This user helped promote the article -- to good article status' template if the article does go up to GA status. Please try to get this information down before 7 days from now, as that is when the GA review will probably be closed. Thank you in advance. More details can be found at Talk:Robert Nivelle. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Individual Augmentee Policy
Please look at the Individual Augmentee Policy page and update it. Thanks, SPC Knappenberger, E.M. 20:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Military Article Needing Attention
Could someone do some work on Delaware Military Academy. It is lacking:

1. a decent infobox

2. pictures of interest

3. sufficient history/staff

Info can be found at School's Website

Defense Language Institute
Could someone take a look at the Defense Language Institute page? It is compared to Narnia and the coverage is clearly written by someone with an ax to grind.132.72.138.1 09:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Toshinari Maeda's page
Can someone validate the photograph posted on the page as the same person (Major General Toshinari Maeda)as that of the Representative of the commander-in-chief of the Imperial Japanese Forces' who met with the members of the Philippine Executive Commission headed by then Chairman Jorge B. Vargas photograph that was published in the newspaper The Sunday Tribune dated January 25, 1942 p.4 Rain26ph 03:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Duar War
The Duar War stub could use, just as a start to fleshing it out a bit, some definitions for titles and such. Not being able to find definitions for dzongpon, ponlop, or druk desi made the whole page somewhat less clear.

(I feel kind of bad saying this without having the knowledge or ability to do much about it...) --Datsun Eleven 14:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Kosovo Protection Corps
A discussion is taking place on whether the Kosovo Protection Corps can be considered as the "Military of Kosovo" or not (that is, whether to add a "military-style" infobox & the "Military of" version of the Europe topic template or not).

Comments at the article's talk page would be most welcome. - Best regards, Ev 00:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Quasi-War (between US & France, 1798-1800) Article - Title Change or Cross-Referencing Needed
There is an article on the undeclared naval war carried on between American and French forces during 1798-1800, but it took me some digging to find it, because I was using the terminology used in a number of (American) historical works, including official Navy publications: "The Pseudo-War with France." I believe some cross-referencing, or maybe a change in the article's title, is called for. (I would add a cross-reference entry myself, but I don't know how.)MountainMatch 03:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a very rare name for the Quasi-War, but it does generate some Google Book hits. I've created some redirects; now when someone types in some variation of Pseudo-War with France, they'll get to the right article. Thanks for the heads up. —Kevin Myers 17:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always seen Quasi-War, including in two US History textbooks I happen to have on hand. Regardless, it should be easy for people to find now. Joe Nu  tter  02:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Operation Spark (1973)
Operation Spark (1973) (connected to the Yom Kippur War) does not cite references or sources. Can anyone help? Thanks a lot. IZAK 08:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Lockheed CL-1200
Hi folks. Could someone please have a look at the Lockheed CL-1200 article with a view to reducing some of the many banners at the bottom of the talk page please? I am working on its status in the aviation project also. Many thanks. Nimbus227 (talk) 22:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Gen Canby and Capt Thomas Weir
Probably the wrong place for this but ... General Edward Canby was actually portrayed in the the 1952 film Drumbeat with Allan Ladd that deals with the Modoc Indian War. There is an IMDB link for that movie I don't know how to put in. More importantly the link to Weir of the 7th Calvary, who fought at the Battle of the Little Big Horn needs to be deleted as it goes to a Scot who died about 200 years before the battle. Thks. In the future will try to figure out how to do this myself. Dinglewood (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Violette Szabo
As the inspiration for an upcoming video game (Velvet Assassin), I would expect her article to get a good many views in the coming months. It's currently rated as "Start" class. If it could be expanded somewhat, that would be great. cheers, xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 19:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * cross posted to: WT:WWII, WT:FMH

Special Forces need re-titled
Hi. I checked out the Australian Special Forces pages and I think these should be re-titled in capitals.

Currently these are written out as special forces or Special forces but they are officially capitalised. How do I change this?

Cheers. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope: Special forces of Australia is a generic term, and not the name of a thing. Special Operations Command (Australia) is a thing, and is capitalised accordingly. Nick Dowling (talk) 04:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Special Forces need re-titled
Hi. I checked out the Australian Special Forces pages and I think these should be re-titled in capitals.

Currently these are written out as special forces or Special forces but they are officially capitalised. How do I change this?

Cheers. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Need help with Battle of Tskhinvali article
Ongoing article in South Ossetia between Russian and georgians. Access it here. --Sparten (talk) 07:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Need Help As A New User
I have some comments on an article regarding military history of Hispanics. I posted the comments on my user page. -- Flyer333555 (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

HVAR article needed
HVAR as a weapon is mentioned in many WWII aircraft articles as a late development but no article exists yet on the weapon system itself. Anyone want to tackle it? I don't have the expertise. Binksternet (talk) 23:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I started this.  LouScheffer (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Frederick Barton Maurice and the Dolchstoßlegende
May I draw your attention to the fact that this important subject has so far been ignored? Unfortunately I am not in a good position do to research on the topic but somebody in London could easily find out what Maurice actually wrote in the Daily News of November 12, 1918. Did he indeed write something amounting to the German army being undefeated on the front ("Im Felde unbesiegt") or was he willfully misinterpreted by the German Right? Thank you in advance. Robert Schediwy 84.112.54.160 (talk) 11:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)