Template talk:Welcome

Anyone watching?
As I understand it, logged in users now have the automatic signing thing by default, so should we do something about "Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, as I understand it, users have the reply tool turned on by default, but not yet the new section feature, so when starting a talk page section, they still need to know to sign. Hopefully the talk pages project will also activate that by default soon, at which point I agree we'll want to remove the line here (and elsewhere, e.g. Talk header). Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 07:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sdkb Thanks, that's more than I know. How about adding "Comments in existing talkpage-discussions are signed automatically." for now? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's worthwhile to put effort into workshopping and implementing such a temporary adjustment (I'm hoping it's only a matter of weeks), but if others feel more strongly, I'd be fine with a tweak like that. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 07:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sdkb, FYI:Village_pump_(technical) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep! I'll plan to remove that line once the tool goes live tomorrow. (I don't think we need to add any text about comments being signed automatically; the point of automatic signing is that you don't have to think about it.) &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 14:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Should we state something like "Your comments on discussion-pages will generally be signed automatically, but if you use the plain source editor, you need to sign your comments by..." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Many newcomers will be confused by the attempted distinction between the source editor vs. visual editor alone. The interface guides newcomers to use VE, and if they choose source anyways they're forewarned that there will be trickier elements, so it's not something we need to warn them about here. It's worth remembering that our whole goal with a welcome is to boil things down to the bare minimum essentials needed to get started productively; every element we remove helps emphasize the others more. Now that most newcomers won't need to worry about signing, including language about it anyways would just distract and create confusion; it's no longer the first thing we need to tell people after they register. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 14:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So, just remove Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~); this will automatically insert your username and the date.  then? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep. Nice and simple. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 14:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My signature is not being inserted automatically in this talk page, so take into account this with the change to the template. Thinker78   (talk)  20:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Thinker78 if you're encountering an error, you should report it at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project. You also won't encounter automatic signing if you deliberately choose to edit in source mode, something the UI steers newcomers away from doing. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 23:07, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

There are probably more areas that needs updating, but Category:Welcome templates probably has more templates that could use an update. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Automatic edit summary
Currently when this template is substituted, no edit summary is created, just a date–timestamp of the edit. How does one program the template to create an edit summary when the template is deployed? Something generic like, Greeted user with Template:Welcome. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you considered using Twinkle? It is a nifty tool. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

CoI and V
I propose to add a new paragraph, after the one beginning "Alternatively...":

"If you add or update article content, please state your source. Avoid conflicts of interest."

since these are two issues which frequently see new editors reverted or berated. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Andy, don't know how this will go over here, as folks voted for a very sparse model with buttons. There is still Welcome-retro (and Welcome-anon-retro) which are more or less the old version of this one, and which might welcome your additions there if not here. Btw: this page doesn't usually move fast; min-threads to 4 would keep some around for over two years; you can always have the ToC present regardless of thread number with  if you want. Mathglot (talk) 00:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The idea of this template is to encourage editors to check out the tutorial, which teaches concepts like verification, rather than summarizing those concepts within the welcome message itself. I worry that if we included that it might start a slippery slope that'd lead ultimately to bloat. It's also relevant that the Edit check feature may present a better approach for tackling uncited content additions. Cheers,  Sdkb  talk 04:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

New template
Hello! I created a new welcome template, this one is based on the one from Spanish Wikipedia. For other languages, consider using Babel We hope you have a good time on Wikipedia, happy editing!

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 * This one has more options. Tell me what you think! W!k.pngIps1.pngtion-tasks2.pngBruce The Deus sandbox icon.svg 16:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * looks good............should link our main newcomers help page that leads to every topic ...Contributing to Wikipedia Moxy 🍁 16:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you W!k.pngIps1.pngtion-tasks2.pngBruce The Deus sandbox icon.svg 16:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, I added it now the first one links to Contributing to Wikipedia W!k.pngIps1.pngtion-tasks2.pngBruce The Deus sandbox icon.svg 16:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)