Template talk:WikiProject California/Archive 1

Template help requested
I'd like to get a couple of additional options added to both WikiProject California and WikiProject Southern California that I found in the TrainsWikiProject template—specifically "unref" and "imageneeded". I haven't done any major template editing in awhile, and it looks like adding these options to the templates requires some of the template features that have been added since then. Could someone help me do this? Blank Verse 12:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I added "unref", "Imageneeded", and "Imagedetails" from TrainsWikiProject. The changes currently refer to two categories that don't exist: Category:Unreferenced California articles and Category:California articles needing images. Unfortunately, I don't have time to create those right now, since they may exist with a different name and I need to stop editing for today. If you could do the category creation, I'd appreciate it. Also, I will have to hold off on the changes to WikiProject Southern California since I'm not going to be around today, so feel free to make those yourself. I can make them later tonight or in a day or two if you don't get around to it. Mike Dillon 17:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Image requests should be categoized into Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in California and the category currently employed by the template should be deleted. __meco 11:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I had a little more time than I thought, so I made the changes to WikiProject Southern California as well. I also created the categories, but we may need to adjust if they turn out to be redundant. I added the categories under Category:WikiProject California articles and Category:WikiProject Southern California articles respectively. Mike Dillon 18:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I also moved/removed these two templates from main category pages to their talk pages. The templates were causing non-sensical category cycles like Category:WikiProject California having Category:Non-article California pages as a parent. There are other ways to do this by having the template never add the non-article categories to Category pages, but I didn't want to overcomplicate things when these templates are always meant for talk pages anyways. Mike Dillon 18:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

template is lacking this
"??? 	This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. Please rate the article and then leave a short summary here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article."

I not even able to try to edit the template to see if a piece of code would work for this. :(

anyways, to anyone who can edit this template. Can you please insert it in there?RiseRobotRise 07:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

| | This article has not yet received a rating on  the quality scale. }} |- I believe this code will work, somebody please edit this template. RiseRobotRise 07:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It already has that messaging. What makes you think it doesn't work? Mike Dillon 15:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see that message appearing, please tell me how to have it be displayed?

What do I need to put after class=?

-RiseRobotRise 21:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You can put: FA, A, B, Start, Stub, or NA. See the quality scale for the meaning of each. I guess the issue is that this template doesn't include a call to action when no class is provided, which is by design. Mike Dillon 21:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Please use another image
The image used in this template has to be deleted on Commons, see: Please use another image. --ALE! 13:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been deleted yet. Those who care you go comment on the commons. --evrik (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's inevitable -- the GFDL claim on the photograph of the artwork is moot, since the artwork itself was never released under GFDL. Commons doesn't allow fair use; even if we upload the image locally, fair use in templates is barred as well (see WP:C and WP:FU). Sorry. Luna Santin 19:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A few options I dug up pretty quick:
 * (state seal) commons:Image:Seal of California.png
 * (state quarter) commons:Image:2005 CA Proof.png
 * (state flag) commons:Image:Flag of California.svg
 * (US map, CA highlight) commons:Image:Map of USA highlighting California.png
 * Any preference? Luna Santin 19:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The California flag gets used for just about everything California related (stubs, etc.), but it's probably as good as anything for this template.  Blank Verse  11:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What's a matter Mike, you don't like arbitrary norths? Who says it has to be at the top of the page anyhow? Umm, are we using this somewhere, because it needs a north attached, or it needs rotated about 25 degrees counter-clockwise to be used anywhere in Wikipedia, or maybe some could explain why not? Any image is fine with me, although I echo Mike's concerns on the outline if used. A really nice California poppy would be great, too. KP Botany 03:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Before we make any changes ... it's not inevitable, as the image should be either gdfl or pd. --evrik (talk) 16:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree somewhat -- if the image is kept, I rather like it. If it's not kept, though, it wouldn't hurt to have a backup in mind (image redlinks on countless pages look bad, so the quicker we have a replacement ready, even if we don't need it, probably the better). Luna Santin 19:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is that I think that the image should be replaced, no matter what happens in the Commons deletion debate. I've never been happy with the sign because I don't think it looks that good when shrunk for the template.  Blank Verse  23:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. It'd be a nice effect if all the state projects used whatever equivalent of Image:Map of USA highlighting California.png, I think. Barring that, the flag scales well. Any other opinions? – Luna Santin  (talk) 07:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I prefer the flag. The California contour image might be good if it were rotated counter-clockwise. Mike Dillon 15:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I like my north to point up ;) I guess the California image was extracted from a map projection that covered the whole continental U.S. Mike Dillon 03:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California in the hopes of getting more project members involved in the discussion. – Luna Santin  (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I prefer... none, I think. I hate to sound like a whiner, but the flag is used by everything else, so I think it's "used up." The map seal is "too busy," and I think like the current image will look "odd" when shrunk. The gold California will confuse people with the projection (but I get it). And I really think that the whole US map makes us look seperatist, or at least eliteist. What about the county map below? &mdash;ScouterSig 17:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the county map. KP Botany 02:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Resolution
Image:Road Sign Welcome to California.jpg has been restored and tagged as PD. There should be no further issues with it. --evrik (talk) 18:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Replacing commons image
Hey, please replace Image:Crystal 128 kdmconfig.png with Image:Crystal 128 kuser.png as I will be deleting the former later today. Thanks, Yonatan talk 08:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * editprotected Resolved, the edit was already made. CMummert · talk 14:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Banner logo
Can we change the current banner to Image:Flag of California.svg? All the other states are using their state flags as their banner logos. Splat5572 (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It should stay as it is. More consensus is need to make such a change. Newport Backbay (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How much more consensus? Splat5572 (talk) 21:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * All I know is I wish you would please refrain from changing the picture to a Image:Flag of California.svg unless there was consensus to do so. If you read the discussion above, you will see that some editors felt the flag image was overused in other areas, and preferred to keep the sign. Have you brought this up at WikiProject California? Personally, I don't have a preference either way, but there has been precedence regarding this issue, and I remember an effort was made to ensure Image:Road Sign Welcome to California.jpg was preserved from deletion. Constantly reverting a sensitive template in a unilateral manner is not helping. --Jh12 (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've placed a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California to see if anyone has objections to this change. For reference, the two templates at issue are and . The previously proposed images are:

If anyone has a specific preference, I recommend indicating your number of choice --Jh12 (talk) 00:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How about number 2? Splat5572 (talk) 21:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I object to the change. Newport Backbay (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see it restored to its original image. It was whimisical and better than the state flag. This change was made without sufficient notice or consensus and since the template is locked, no changes can be made. Newport Backbay (talk) 18:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I can sympathize, but I'm not confident about changing it to the road sign. The problem is I thought Splat5572 had a point when he/she said the state flag was more standard for state WikiProjects. And if I were to vote it would be for the flag, giving the flag a weak 2:1 advantage. I tried instead to seek outside input. At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_California, User:Splat5572 and User:DevinCook were in favor and User:Newport Backbay was against. Similarly, above at Template_talk:WikiProject_California, User:BlankVerse thought the flag was "probably as good as anything for this template" and User:Mike Dillon was also in favor of the flag. User:Luna Santin seemed to like the sign, and the rest were noncommittal. That's 2 informal 2:1 votes in favor the flag. It would be best if you could get more editors to agree on using the road sign. Regards, --Jh12 (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

New version of template
I've got an updated template at Template:WikiProject California/sandbox which uses WPBannerMeta. Any objections to using it? -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it. Have you tested it on any pages to see how it would affect assessments? -Optigan13 (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some changes to the categories when WPBannerMeta is used:
 * Category:Unassessed-Class California articles -> Category:Unassessed California articles
 * Category:Non-article California pages -> Category:NA-Class California articles
 * Would anyone mind that? -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The unassessed articles seem to be split over two categories at the moment anywat: Category:Unassessed California articles & Category:Unassessed-Class California articles -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The WikiProject Southern California appears to be placing items in Category:Unassessed California articles. The templates/projects should probably be merged into taskforces for several reasons. For the being, could you please tweak the so cal template to fix the categories. -Optigan13 (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In needs to be the Category:Unassessed California articles version if the WPBannerMeta template is used. I've now added a portal link and also Southern California & Santa Barbara County as task force options to the sandbox banner. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've implemented the change. Please let us know if anything is not working properly. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you update the documentation to show how to make the calls for the task forces. Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the meta banner. -Optigan13 (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added some documentation at the bottom of the page. -- WOSlinker (talk) 10:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Thanks for the update. Does this version support auto-assessment? I'm thinking a bot stub assessment and update of the template call would help. -Optigan13 (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No but it could do. I'll put in an editprotected request.

Could the following be added into the banner after the class line. |auto= Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. The Category:Automatically assessed California articles now needs creating. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone know how to append the template to include the redirect category mask? A bot run just tagged several pages with class=redirect on their pages (see Talk:Chabot Space & Science Center). -Optigan13 (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, found it. -Optigan13 (talk) 03:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Append Los Angeles and San Francisco Bay Area task forces
editprotected Please update the template to use the logic present in Template:WikiProject California/sandbox. And double check my logic and categories if you have a chance. -Optigan13 (talk) 20:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 23:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Change portal image
Please change the portal image from

to

per consensus at Portal talk:California. -Optigan13 (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. — RockMFR 22:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Portal components and task force image size update
editprotected Please update the template with the. It should update the portal links to the categories and subpages used on Portal:California as well as reducing the task force image size from 80px to 60px. -Optigan13 (talk) 02:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, on faith. If it breaks the wiki I will blame you and denounce you as a communist. And possibly seduce your wife. Cheers, Skomorokh  03:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh if only I had come up with some shenanigans to pull with that edit, seeing as I do not had a wife, and people aren't scared of red as much anymore. In reality I should probably ask to step the protection down from full to semi. -Optigan13 (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Task force importance display in template text
editprotected Please update the template with the Template:WikiProject California/sandbox contents. It should add importance display elements in the task force listings. -Optigan13 (talk) 08:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 17:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Addition of Inland Empire task force
Please update the template with the Template:WikiProject California/sandbox contents. It should add logic for the newly converted Inland Empire task force. Consensus for the project to task force conversion can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California/Inland Empire task force. -Optigan13 (talk) 09:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

WPLA
What the heck happened to Template:WikiProject Los Angeles? It is very annoying that nothing can be found indicating when, how, why, or by whom this happened. Please restore the project or at least make it clear what happened. Badagnani (talk) 08:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The template was deleted after someone placed a deprecated tag on it at some point a few months back. The project itself was converted to a task force back in August after no objections were raised for a little under a month at the project talk. Once a bot had merged and replaced the WikiProject Los Angeles templates, I placed a tdeprecated notice to let users know of the change. The log entry isn't too helpful, but that's what happened. -Optigan13 (talk) 09:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the cause, it was very wrong that there was no explanation, and it has hampered my efforts to properly tag and document Los Angeles-related articles (one of the most important cities in the United States, let alone the world). Please tell whoever did that to fix their error and restore the project. Badagnani (talk) 10:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * By restore the project, do you mean restore the template? Those are two very different things. At this point there isn't really any benefit to restoring the template as you've already recreated it as a redirect, which is what would happened with a restored template. The history of the template isn't really of any use at this point. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Please restore everything; the lack of the project, which was deleted quite abruptly and without any notification (and to which I object very strongly!) is hampering my efforts to properly document Los Angeles-related articles (this is one of the world's most important cities). Badagnani (talk) 02:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Los Angeles is now WikiProject California/Los Angeles task force, the Project is not deleted, and never was. The edit history of Template:WikiProject Los Angeles should be restored shortly, but I still think you're confusing templates with entire projects. The only significant difference is instead of using, you use . -Optigan13 (talk) 07:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, none of that was made clear anywhere, including at WPCA, and the template listed at WikiProject_California/Los_Angeles_task_force for putting on talk pages of LA-related articles is wrong. It doesn't say to add "LA=yes" or whatever, anywhere there. Can you please fix that? How is anyone supposed to know to add "LA-yes" when it doesn't say to do that at the task force itself? Badagnani (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I tweaked the info on the WP:WLA, I hadn't because southerncalifornia=yes had thrown the layout out of whack on that task force and I was trying to be consitent. I was hoping people would be able to find out how to add the LA, SFBA, inlandempire, etc. parameters from this template's documentation subpage. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

That is greatly appreciated. I am a long-time editor and contributor to many projects yet was unable to figure that out. Badagnani (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Addtion to San Diego and portals for the task force
editprotected Please update the template with the Template:WikiProject California/sandbox contents (oldid). It should add a new task force for San Diego, including four additional portals for each task forces. JJ98 (Talk) 20:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I have my own WikiProject now. JJ98 (Talk) 00:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

add variant names for parameters
{{editprotected|answered=yes} Please add variant names to the parameters



Southern California is frequently called "Socal", and that's much less typing. LA and SanFran are both abbreviatied, so Socal should also. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 05:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)