Template talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 1

CSS standardisation warning
I'm at a total loss as to why this talk page template is throwing up: "The CSS for this template should be changed. See Template Standardisation." on pages such as this. I tried following the instructions on the standarisation page to the letter by trusting in class="messagebox standard-talk" to do all the formatting but it's still not happy. I'm going to revert my changes since they've failed to achieve what I wanted them to. ⁂veila# 12:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Making a more "non-Euro-centric" football (soccer) template
As one who enjoys both North American-style football and association (soccer) football, I purview a lot of articles in both football camps, so to speak. The template that presently exists for football of the association or soccer variety is not a bad template, but I kindly feel that, despite the soccer ball on the template, that its wording is a little Euro-centric (or non-North American-centric). Specifically, it doesn't qualify what type of football it is referring to in a verbal manner, although I realize that a soccer ball does appear on the template.

As this is the English-language Wikipedia, there are millions of visitors to football-related sites on it who think of the word "football" primarily in its North American sense. To minimize any confusion and make the Football (soccer) template less potentially Euro-centric, I created the edited version as follows:

Football v2

I then replaced the existing template with the one illustrated above. I amusingly put, in my edit summary, that this was likely my most controversial WP edit ever, and it likely was — the edit was reverted in short order (but in good faith, I'm sure!) by someone who felt that the soccer ball on the template was sufficient to avoid any confusion. I do kindly feel, however, that many young kids, as well as many of those who are not "really into" sports but who are casually browsing Wikipedia, could be confused by the use of the term "football" on the template without any verbal qualifiers added. And again, I do respectfully feel that not having such verbal qualifiers makes the template overly Euro-centric/non-NoAm-centric, thereby injecting an ever-so-slight POV into the template.

I'm not one who wants to get into "edit fights," so I have simply brought the matter up for discussion here. However you play football, it can lead to heated passions, I know [smile], but my overall goal is really to create a better Wikipedia and not "put down" any football fans of any type (including those who edit on Wikipedia!)....Again, I like football both as played with an oblong ball and a round one! :P However, I do very respectfully feel that the existing Football (soccer) template, for the aforementioned reasons, should be modified, and look forward to people's comments! —Catdude 01:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It was me that reverted the edit for several reasons, of which, IIRC, one was the use of the word "soccer" along with the Project name, which only is "WikiProject Football", and not "WikiProject Football (soccer)", another was the strange wording "(of the association variety, or soccer)", which did not sound, or look good. I should probably just have edited the template to show the full link to football (soccer), but then I reverted it all instead. A little stupid of me, but I've now done what I should have done back then, and I hope that satisfies you. :) – Elisson • T • C • 01:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It satisfies me fine regarding your recent edit, Elisson :-) Btw, I don't think you did anything "stupid" and commend your modesty there — I know you were trying to keep in place an item that seemed essentially workable and which minimized any possibly extraneous words :)  (And hey, if anyone feels the fiery need to argue for further "soccerization" of wherever the word "Football" appears in template-type material, that's up to them, but I don't think it's imperative to do that — again, just trying to help out with whatever I can, project- and article-wise :) )  Thanks again for the recent edit!  —Catdude 03:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Supporting of task forces
I've had a go at modifying the template for the use of task-forces - can someone have a check of User:Paulbrock/WP_Football_work/Football2 pls and check it's ok before I move it over here? Comments welcome! Paulbrock 23:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone and made the changes, please leave a message for me at my talk page if something breaks! Paulbrock 00:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

White space
I notice there's an annoying amount of white space at the top of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, likely because of the template syntax box below the template itself. Could this possibly be remedied? - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

xxx-Class category links
This template does not supply a category parameter to the xxx-Class template it invokes. This makes the links for the GA, FA, etc. class football articles (which aren't categories) go to the generic categories for this class of article, e.g. Category:GA-Class_articles rather than Category:GA-Class football articles, although the page is actually added to the football specific category (see Talk:1930 FIFA World Cup for an example). In addition, any category class page tagged with template:Football is put in the default category, i.e. Category:Unassessed football articles while the table on the page does not provide a link (see Category talk:Football (soccer) clubs for an example).

I'll make changes to fix these anomalies in the next day or two unless someone objects. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * GA/FA/B/Start/Stub-class - agree they do point to the general category, rather than the e.g. GA football subcategory. This seems to be the standard for most Wikiproject templates, probably because we all 'borrow' from each other!!  I'd agree unless there's a good reason for doing the same as most other Wikiprojects, it would be more useful to point to Category:GA-Class football articles.
 * Category-class. This is a bit of a funny one, also discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Assessment.  'Category-class' is unofficial (i.e. not supported by v1.0 Assessment). We could add a link I suppose...I don't mind either way.  If we are going to 'support' the use of category-class, the template should be amended to put Category class into Category:Non-article football pages. Paulbrock 15:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a revised version at template:Football/sandbox. I've tried this on:
 * talk:Football (soccer)
 * Talk:Real Madrid
 * talk:David Beckham
 * Category talk:Football (soccer) clubs

and it does what I expect, i.e. the link in the table is to the football specific class categories and categories are both categorized in and linked to Category:Non-article football pages. Comments? -- Rick Block (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For a better view on this, please view this page. We have to find a common consistency with regards to templates here, so as to have a greater professionalism with regards to templates. Any comments about this would be welcomed. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 03:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Since Siva1979 had made the same proposal to multiple Wikiproject banners that they all look and behave like Template:Football, I have started a centralized discussion at the Village Pump to obtain wider input. --Farix (Talk) 13:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Argentine football
Hi,

I am in the process of launching Wikiproject:Argentine football, I need some help with setting up the Argentina=yes section in this template and set up the facility to collect statistics like these. If someone could do this for me I would be extremely grateful and I will avoid destroying the template with my feeble efforts. Could you let me know if it can be done on my talk page please? Kind regards King of the North East 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Rogue hyphen
Why on earth is that hyphen appearing above the template? I can't work out how to get rid of it. Oldelpaso 15:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks, Matthew hk. Oldelpaso 19:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

ball image
stop changing it. The image is clearly a copyright violation and should not be used in wikipedia. Any more reverts and I'll start giving warnings.-- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 05:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

No wikiproject Brazilian football?
It amazes me that there are no wikiproject on Brazilian football as yet. I think it would be a good idea to start one as soon as possible because Brazil is the king of football. Any thoughts on this would be welcomed. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 03:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. WATP  (talk) • (contribs) 11:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Large gap
When articles are given the NA rating there is now a large gap between the next piece of text on that page as shown the Talk:List of Aston Villa captains page. I think this is a result of the change linked here. I think this is a worthwhile addition though, so does someone know how to fix it? I have left a note on the main WP:FOOTY page as well Thanks Woodym555 18:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Think it's been fixed now. Paulbrock 16:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Add Liverpool
Due to the creation of the Liverpool task force the template needs to allow for this, to automatically categorise articles.

The following code needs to be added, in the relevant places (see Template:Football/sandbox for example):



and

Thanks. John Hayestalk 10:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 19:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

editprotected I made a slight mistake, can you replace

with

article talk pages were being listed under the main Liverpool F.C. category. Thanks John Hayestalk 21:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added it to the sandbox. John Hayestalk 07:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Appears to have been done by . - auburn pilot   talk  17:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect to Taskforce on women's football
Could the redirect to WikiProject Football/Taskforce on women's football be avoided, please? —StuartBrady (Talk) 17:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned above, WikiProject Football/Women's task force has been moved to WikiProject Football/Taskforce on women's football, so the template needs to be updated to reflect this. Thanks. &mdash; Gasheadsteve Talk to me 08:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Add Taiwan
Due to the creation of the Taiwan task force the template needs to allow for this, to automatically categorize articles.

The following code needs to be added, in the relevant places (see Template:Football/sandbox for example):



and

Thanks.-- Jerry 17:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you could, update Template:Football/sandbox. I'm not sure if you want a particular order or not, and I don't want to screw anything up before updating this high-use template. Also, for future reference, you can just update the sandbox and not need to put any code on this page. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I just updated the template.-- Jerry 02:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I made a small mistake, I think I fixed it in the sandbox version, can you please modify the main template?-- Jerry 02:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

And please could someone update the usage section to include Taiwan. Ta very much! Paulbrock 15:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ By the way you can edit it as well. Go to Template:Football/doc. Thanks for pointing it out. Woodym555 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Add Spain
editprotected Due to the creation of the WikiProject Football/Spain task force the template needs to allow for this, to automatically categorize articles.

The following code needs to be added, in the relevant places (see Template:Football/sandbox for example):



and

--Sunderland06 13:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Seems trivial enough. east. 718 at 20:32, 11/4/2007
 * the Spain=yes isnt working.--Sunderland06 20:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The 2nd line in the code above:

needs changing to

Paulbrock 02:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Angelo 16:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Where it says "Spainish football task force", it needs changing to "Spanish football task force". - PeeJay 18:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 04:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Add Portal link?
Could we add a link to the footy portal to this template - something like this? (wiki and nowiki versions shown):

The templates Template:WikiProject England and Template:WPBiography already have something similar. --Jameboy (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅. —Random832 17:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Irish + Non-League Parameters
Please could someone have a look at this template at Talk:Andy King (footballer born 1956). I added both the Non-League and Irish parameters, but it looks a bit messy. Have I done something wrong or is this a bug in the template? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Simply, the Non-League and Irish parameters were set up before the taskforce introduction, so they work slightly differently; I've suggested both these 'child' Wikiprojects become Task forces... Paulbrock (talk) 21:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have copied the existing template over into my user space and amended it so that these appear with the other sub-projects and taskforces at User:Nanonic/test, you can try it out for yourself by previewing a page with  or looking at this oldid (which I did by mistake when testing). See if that works for you. Nanonic (talk) 03:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

How does the infobox work?
How does the coding in this infobox cause articles to be filed in their proper category/categories when they are tagged with a task force's tag? I am very curious, as I have been working on this on another tag (for WikiProject Constructed languages), which has a task force tag (for the Esperanto task force) that does not automatically place articles in the categories they need to be in (Category:Esperanto task force articles). I would greatly appreciate if anyone is able to tell me what exactly does that in this template. Thank you! TFCforever (talk) 23:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Roughly the entire last 2/3 of the template is a series of switches selecting how to do the categorizations. The general structure is:
 * Does this help? -- Rick Block (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The sort of thing you're looking for is:
 * (If the England tag is applied)
 * (Add to the category WP Football in England articles)
 * The sort of thing you're looking for is:
 * (If the England tag is applied)
 * (Add to the category WP Football in England articles)
 * (Add to the category WP Football in England articles)
 * (Add to the category WP Football in England articles)

Paulbrock (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

edit requested to fix typo when small=yes
The following needs to be changed to fix the typo'd wikilink of football (soccer to football (soccer) when using small=yes

Existing code
 * 

New code
 * 

Cheers, Nanonic (talk) 01:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 01:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ta muchly! Nanonic (talk) 02:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Scotland
The Scottish Football WikiProject needs a bit for Scotland = yes, like all of the other countries, please. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN we need to talk.  ☆ 22:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Would this project like to be identified as a task force (like most countries), or as a separate wikiproject (like the non-League project)? (See Talk:Cambridge_United_F.C. for an example of both forms.) Gimmetrow 19:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would refuse this request until the project/taskforce has more than one member and it's usefulness has been discussed at WP:FOOTBALL. Foxhill (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I am temporarily declining the request. As pointed out above, I think a bit of discussion at WP:FOOTY would be beneficial before we add it in. Feel free to reactivate the template once it has been discussed. Woody (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Template update - non-casesensitive and rearrangement
I want to post this here first before requesting an edit to the template to make sure that this will be non-controversial. The updated version is at Template:Football/sandbox and you can see the changes made at this diff. An example of what the template looks like in-use is at this oldid.

The edits I have made are -


 * Move Non-League and Irish notices underneath the banner so that thay a) move in line with the other displayed sub-projects and task forces and b) do not conflict and break the template when used together (as at this oldid). This uses Image:Football pictogram.svg for non-league and Image:Ireland smaller.svg for Ireland.
 * Amended variables from e.g.  to   for all tags, this allows the use of lower or upper case for all instances. This also fixes the current situation where both Spain=yes and spain=yes is used and both forms are in the unedited current template, by allowing both forms - we'll catch all those mistagged entries.
 * Changed the Spanish task force's categories for assessment and importance from "Spain football articles" to "football in Spain articles". Both have been created, both are being used - football in Spain is consistent with the majority of the category structure used by other task forces.
 * Some grammar changes - mainly introducing a "the" into "is supported by "
 * Made the women's icon size smaller for consistency.

All of these could be classed as fixes but I'm not sure whether everyone would be happy with the first fix. Your comments/assent/dissent would be welcome (and I mean dissent as the opposite of assent not swearing :P ) Nanonic (talk) 00:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A week has passed with no dissenting views either here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Non-league football and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Irish Football, therefore I am requesting the version at template:football/sandbox be moved across. Nanonic (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Woody (talk) 16:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Portal:English football
editprotected

Can somebody please add a portal link for when  is used. The portal is up and running now. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN play it cool.  22:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain how you would like everything to look if the ENgland parameter is set? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I would to add a link like this:


 * When the England variable is set to yes.  WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN  play it cool.  14:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The template right now does not contain any portal link - where would the portal link go within the template? Once this is clarified I can resolve both this and the request above for the main soccer portal when the England parameter is not set. —Random832 19:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you look at the Schools template:


 * There is a little portal link. I would like to do the same for the English football portal.  WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN  play it cool.  19:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅. —Random832 17:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Random.  WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN   round of applause  20:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)