Template talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 3

Categorisation
Does this template automatically assign the page to the WikiProject Football articles category with a default sort key. This seems to be wrong as biographical articles are usually categorised as Surname, Forename. While the articles name will be Forname Surname, and this seems to be how they are assigned to WP Football categories. I believe it is creating a conflict of default sort keys, and should be fixed. Giving a red error message under football - for example in Liam Miller, Roy Keane. I cannot attempt to fix this as I'm not an admin, so is there any chance someone else could fix this please. Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  23:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This template doesn't use any sortkeys at all. However Template:WikiProject Ireland is on both pages and uses in it's sourcecode. Moving that template up and down the page on preview shows the warning moving with the Ireland banner's placement. Might be worth giving them the heads up. Nanonic (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep it's definitely the Irish template (unless WPBANNERMETA has some secret setting), just tried it out with every combination of placements and then removal of individual banners and the problems all magically go away when the WP Ireland one is removed. Nanonic (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And the current proposal about all this on Proposals points out that the WP Ireland banner is causing problems elsewhere too. Nanonic (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. It was the WP Ireland temlate and it has since been fixed. Sorry to trouble anybody. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Taskforce on Association Football variants
I need the code put in for this taskforce, I made it myself and put it into Template:Football/sandbox and Template:Football/doc but then realised that I need an administrator to put it on the main template. This is the code:

I am making the categories right now, but I need an administrator to put the code in. Thanks! 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 13:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, if anyone has a better picture, please tell me. 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 13:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Stifle (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have already completed the categories for this template (see Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Football_variant_articles_by_quality_statistics for the full table). Instead of tagging them with and then putting them into the seperate categories myself, it would be a lot easier with  . Test it out in the sandbox yourself, make your own opinions. I do not think that this is a controvertial edit. As I have made the categories and tested this template with all sub-projects and taskforces at Football/sandbox, I can assure you that there will be no disruption. Also, a different picture would be better, perhaps with a ball from Beach Football or something. 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 20:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * First let me say, there is no point in rushing. Take your time, get things ready, check your code thoroughly and create the assessment category that you've missed. You could also consider using File:Paralympics 2008 Football 5-a-side pictogram.svg or File:Futsal pictogram.svg as your icon. You are currently running the taskforce on your own - are you adding assessment functions purely for your own need or do you see more people joining up soon? Nanonic (talk) 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed the code, and you can see it in action on my own sandbox. I think everything is okay with that. Also, when I started the taskforce I believed that we would have five members (see here). However, in the five months that it took to get this amount of supporters - one of the unfortunate disadvantages of the Proposals system of WikiProject Council - one of them stopped editing Wikipedia, and I left a message on the other supporters talk pages. The person who suggested it has joined though. However, I am still looking for members, as I can see that there are a lot of people who would be interested, and I am pretty sure they would find it easier through this template - Trying not to rush, 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 11:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the  switch at the beginning of the taskforce hook, without it the template won't accept "Yes" inputs but will accept "yes" inputs. You also still need to create that last remaining essential assessment category, once that's done I see no prob in moving the version from Template:Football/sandbox across. Nanonic (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding the lower case hook, and for telling me about the FL category. I wasn't sure whether to use that, as there are many categories that seem to be optional, and I was only going to include if I needed it. Thanks - 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 09:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there for consensus for this? And if so, can you put the code in a sandbox, please? Thanks! --MZMcBride (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is in the sandbox. Also, no-one has complained about putting the code in, some people have supported it, including WP:FOOTY, as their page on task forces says that "by creating task forces and integrating them into the projects talk page banner,, the amount of clutter on talk pages is also minimised", meaning they probably prefer the use of this template. Also, I don't think this counts as a controvertial edit - most people won't even notice that it is there. 2o-DeMoN-o8t*c*a*wp 16:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think much is happening on this front, and although I am trying to be patiant, this is obstructing the progress that I expected this taskforce to make. I am sorry if something is being done about this, but I think, judging by the lack of criticism, disagreement etc. on this page, that it is okay to put the code in now? DeMoN  2008  21:24, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please, update documentation. I also want to note that {{#lc: parser functions are not necessary, because tf_N parameters only need to be defined. They do not need to assume some predefined value (yes, for instance). Ruslik (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For this template the #lc: is necessary as for some reason (unless the code of the metatemplate has been updated) the sandboxed version without the lc switch wouldn't accept both "yes" and "Yes" inputs. Nanonic (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Has a recent change affected formatting?
Bits of formatting or code have started appearing on instances of the template. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football or Talk:Eddie Colman. If it's something to do with a recent change, should the change be reverted till it's sorted out? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Code is also appearing on the revision that predated my revision. So a revert will not solve the problem, which is probably related to BannerMeta. Ruslik (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Code addition for season article task force required
Could an admin please insert the following code at the bottom of the template so that tagging articles to be in the scope of the season article task force is possible? The edit should be uncontroversial, as a collaborative effort on those articles is endorsed by the WikiProject.

|tf 6= |TF_6_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Season article task force |TF_6_NAME           = the season article task force |TF_6_IMAGE          = Soccerball current event.svg |TF_6_SIZE          = 40x40px |TF_6_MAIN_CAT       = Football (soccer) seasons

--Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 14:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done it, but you may like to reconsider Category:Football (soccer) seasons as it doesn't seem to be a category suitable for talk pages. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point. Could you please change the category to Category:WikiProject Football season articles, then? :-) --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 21:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Since I seemingly was too late with the response last time and one week has passed without any actions, I had to bring up the template again, sorry. Could someone please change the category to Category:WikiProject Football season articles? Thank you, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 11:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's what we're here for :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Assocation -> association
Can someone please change the Association in the template text? It shouldn't be capitalised in the middle of a sentence. - Dudesleeper / Talk  22:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed improvement
Hi all, I noticed that this template provides for multiple task forces, but that each task force is forced to use the importance rating of the main WikiProject. I had a suggestion that would allow task forces to use this importance rating by default, but override it without drastically changing the format of the template.

Currently, if an editor puts the parameter ManUtd=yes, for instance, then the article becomes a part of that task force, with the main WikiProject's importance rating. I propose that we allow editors to put ManUtd=Top, High, Mid, or Low, in addition to yes. If this parameter is populated with any value, then the article would become a part of the task force. If the value is "yes", then everything would behave as it does now, using WikiProject Football's importance rating. If the value is one of Top, High, Mid, or Low, then the task force-specific importance rating would take on that value.

The code for Manchester United looks like the following (again, I'm just using Manchester United as an example, but the same would apply to every task force):

I propose we change that to something like the following:

Note that the only line that changed is the tf 2 importance parameter. The code basically does a check - if the parameter equals "yes", then it defaults to the importance; if it equals anything else (such as ManUtd=Top), then the importance for that specific task force is set to that value. I'm not a template expert, so someone may have to correct that, but I think it would let us use this template much more effectively by only making a few minor changes. Cheers. ← George talk 07:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tested this out on the sandbox, and tweaked the code accordingly. It seems to work in all cases now, both with upper and lowercase "yes", as well as with values like Top, High, Mid, Low. You can see the new test case I've created for this edit at the bottom of this page (note that the Manchester United task force has a different importance rating in the last template). ← George talk 08:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a fantastic idea. Not only is there a minimal change to the current code of this template, but it would also be extremely simple to add an intra-task force importance to articles. Good work, George! – PeeJay 08:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, PeeJay! I'm hoping this isn't a controversial change, since it just adds useful functionality, without changing the existing behavior where the template is already in use. I've updated all the task forces listed in the template in the sandbox. I'm going to request an administrator implement the changes. Cheers. ← George talk 08:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm requesting an administrator make the changes I've outlined above. I've already implemented and tested them in full, based on an exact copy of the template, at the template's sandbox. I believe all an admin will have to do is copy the sandbox code directly over the current template code. Thanks! ← George talk 08:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * A specific diff of my changes can be viewed here. ← George talk 09:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh George, if only all editrequesters were like you... Skomorokh,  barbarian  09:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Seattle Sounders FC task force
I'd like to add the Seattle Sounders FC task force to this template, as a way to help its members identify and better organize articles they're interested in improving. I don't think that this is an contentious change (similar task forces are already integrated into this template). I've updated the sandbox, and tested it against updated test cases. All that's required to implement this is for an admin to copy the sandbox over the template. Cheers. ← George talk 15:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Skomorokh,  barbarian  15:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Book-class
editprotected

Could you change (there are two instances) to
 * QUALITY_SCALE=extended
 * QUALITY_SCALE=subpage

This will enable the book-class for the project, per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 21:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks, Peter Symonds</b> ( talk ) 23:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Football/Season article task force needs assessment cat
Hi- The season article tf is missing the assessment cat, so the talk pgs are going into the correct main cat, but the quality cats are empty, see:. Please add the code below, and note that the season tf6 is in the 2nd set of TF 6's, not the first set.


 * TF_6_ASSESSMENT_CAT = football season articles

Thanks --Funandtrvl (talk) 07:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, although you forgot the TF_6_QUALITY setting as well. There are a few categories which need creating - see Template:Football/class for details. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for catching that, the WPBM is getting more and more complicated! --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;">
 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 17:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Football → — To standardize. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I've thought that the current naming was a little weird for some time now, but never thought to request a move. The suggested name makes perfect sense. – PeeJay 17:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Makes sense. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support To standardise with other WikiProject templates. --TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 21:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as above. Will free up the existing template name of to link all the different codes, perhaps. GiantSnowman 23:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support the standardisation. I always thought that should be used in mainspace, probably as a navbox. I guess it would need a bot to fix all the existing transclusions before we could re-use it though. --Jameboy (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Jameboy (talk) 09:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

France task force
I would like to add code to the template to accommodate the newly created France task force, but I can't because: I imagine that this would be a fairly simple and uncontroversial change. As soon as this is done, I will create the relevant categories (e.g. Category:Football in France articles by quality) in the same style as the other task forces. Thanks in advance, Big  Dom  21:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The template is edit protected
 * 2) I don't understand template syntax
 * You have to tell us what you want to add or edit in the template. You simply cannot request something that does not include information. /Heymid (talk) 09:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This diff of the sandbox contains the code required. Big  Dom  10:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not quite. You've included an "tf 11" but only 10 are supported. I'll take a look now. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:22, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I did say that I don't understand template syntax :( Would be very grateful if you could sort it out. Big  Dom  16:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. The prompts for the importance categories are shown on the main template, and the required quality categories are shown on Template:WikiProject Football/class. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to change the order that the taskforces appear in the banner template? The USA one should be moved to just below the Taiwan one, and the France one should be moved to between the England one and the Germany one. – PeeJay 10:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is this necessary? OCD? :) Could I ask you to make the requested edit on the /sandbox. Taiwan is currently in number 10 so you'll need to renumber them all ... &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, my OCD has gotten the better of me again. Nevertheless, I think you will find the current sandbox in order :) – PeeJay 11:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

"Football (soccer)" to become "Association football"
To avoid redirects, should all mention of Football (soccer) be changed to Association football? As this is now the article name. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Code addition for Sweden task force
Hi, I've just created the Sweden task force and the required assessment categories. I'm wondering if an admin could please add the following code to the template so that tagging articles included in the scope of the project is possible. I have added it to the sandbox and it has been thoroughly tested. Thank you!

|tf 3= |TF_3_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Sweden task force |TF_3_NAME           = the Sweden task force |TF_3_IMAGE          = Flag of Sweden.svg |TF_3_SIZE           = 40x40px |TF_3_QUALITY        = yes |TF_3_IMPORTANCE     = yes |tf 3 importance= |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT = football in Sweden articles |TF_3_MAIN_CAT       = WikiProject Football in Sweden articles

--Reckless182 (talk) 17:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * NB. The admin who changes this will find the full code in Template:WikiProject_Football/sandbox and can copy/paste as required. Nanonic (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * . By the way |TF_n_IMPORTANCE is not used these days. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers! --Reckless182 (talk) 12:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

D.C. United task force
I would like to add the D.C. United task force to this template. For the image I would like to use this image for now, until I get a task force consensus. Quidster4040 (talk) 17:27, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Any updates on this process? Quidster4040 (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have created all of the necessary categories, created the proper template at Template:WikiProject_Football/sandbox and tested, using preview, the banner from the sandbox on live pages. I have tested both DCUtd=yes and DCUtd=mid, as well as other importances. Let me know if you need anything else from us. Benuski (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is the code for the template, which is also at Template:WikiProject_Football/sandbox

|tf 8= |TF_8_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/D.C. United task force |TF_8_NAME           = the D.C. United task force |TF_8_IMAGE          = La Barra Brava flags.jpg |TF_8_SIZE           = 40x40px |TF_8_QUALITY        = yes |tf 8 importance     = |TF_8_ASSESSMENT_CAT = D.C. United articles |TF_8_MAIN_CAT       = D.C. United task force articles --Benuski (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject on Hong Kong football
I'd like to add the WikiProject on Hong Kong football to this template, as a way to help its members identify and better organize articles they're interested in improving. Any questions please feel free to ask me. Cheers. Fabregas0414 (talk) 15:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)