Template talk:WikiProject New Zealand

New version of template
I've got an updated template at Template:WPNZ/sandbox which uses WPBannerMeta. Any objections to using it? -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Could the Template:WPNZ/sandbox version be copied over to Template:WPNZ. Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject New Zealand/governments
We have a WikiProject New Zealand/governments and I'd like to give it a bit more structure. Our Australian cousins are doing quite well with theirs (see WP:AUP) - something to aspire to. For starters, it would be useful to be able to identify just which articles would fall into the scope of the project. I'm assuming that the way to go about it is to define a parameter for the WPNZ template. The Australian template has a huge long list of parameters, and the relevant one is politics = yes. My questions are: I'm posting this here, rather than the politics page, as this is about amending the WPNZ template at this point.  Schwede 66  01:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this the right way to go about it?
 * If so, who can amend the WPNZ template so that the politics parameter is included?
 * What would then be the most efficient way of having this parameter added to the various pages?
 * Would WP:GOVT.NZ be an appropriate shortcut for the politics group, or are full stops not allowed in shortcuts?
 * Isen't it included as a sub-project already, see subproject; though there must be a very subtle difference between subprojects and related projects (like Auckland or NZR) Hugo999 (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Hugo999. I've shifted your feedback to this thread, to keep things together. This gives the situation the context that you obviously didn't have. Yes, the sub-project exists. What I want to achieve is to be able to better organise it.  Schwede 66  05:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think a parameter is needed for the WPNZ template. I support Schwede's idea. Adabow  ( talk )  11:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I have initiated a discussion to move the governments sub-project to Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics. Please providde feedback, as the name best be sorted out before the parameter details here. Adabow ( talk )  02:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * How about this be added to the template?

|tf 1= |TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics |TF_1_NAME          = New Zealand politics task force |TF_1_IMAGE         = File:SIF-Beehive-3-Cropped.jpg |TF_1_QUALITY       = yes |tf 1 importance    = |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = New Zealand politics articles |TF_1_MAIN_CAT      = WikiProject New Zealand politics articles Adabow ( talk )  10:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't really comment, as I don't know. What I've seen, though, is this diff - that seems to be when our Australians friends added the assessment functionality.  Schwede 66  10:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have added your suggested code to the /sandbox copy. Please check and make sure it does what you want. There are a load of categories which will need to be created - these are listed there and also on /class. Reactivate the request when you are ready. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PS I've removed the assessment categories from the sandbox copy for now. If you really do want them, please undo my last edit. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have played around with the categories and it seems to be right. Does anyone have any comments before I request it to go live? (if you want to try it out, place  on a talk page and preview it.)  Adabow  ( talk )  07:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * My thoughts are that the Beehive image is rather tiny, and it's not easy to make out what it is that one is looking at.  Schwede 66  19:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have adjusted the size of the taskforce heights; what do you think? Another option is to use File:vote.svg. Adabow  ( talk )  04:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The adjusted height will do and is in my opinion preferable to vote.svg, as it's typical kiwi. Good work!  Schwede 66  05:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

|tf 1= |TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/politics |TF_1_NAME          = New Zealand politics task force |TF_1_IMAGE         = SIF-Beehive-3-Cropped.jpg |TF_SIZE            = x50px |TF_1_QUALITY       = yes |tf 1 importance    = |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = New Zealand politics articles Consensus has been reached and I would like the above code to be copied into the template, so the the politics work group can be more well-organised. Thanks, Adabow  ( talk )  06:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Great stuff. Following implementation, is it possible to request a bot-run to include the politics parameter to be added to the content of certain categories? Is that the way to roll this out?  Schwede 66  07:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * . I also included the TF_1_NESTED parameter which you may have forgotten. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Martin. Adabow  ( talk )  08:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Future-class
Can we add the future-class option of assessment, as described at WP:1.0/A. Future-class is a more accurate quality rating for some articles (eg New Zealand general election, 2011). Adabow ( talk )  20:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. XLerate (talk) 08:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Music task force
I have developed a music task force section on the /sandbox. Please try it out and comment. Adabow ( talk ) |tf 1= |TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Music task force |TF_1_NAME          = New Zealand music task force |TF_1_IMAGE         = Musical note nicu bucule 01.svg |TF_1_QUALITY       = yes |tf 1 importance    = |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = New Zealand music articles


 * I would support this and suggest that we go ahead with it now while some of us are wading through the assessment backlog. (In fact I started creating the categories before relising this wasn't in the real template yet.) dramatic (talk) 02:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Whilst I'm not interested in the topic area itself, having seen how powerful it is to have a subproject, I give my support to this.  Schwede 66  03:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: I have been playing around with some ideas in the /sandbox. These are not ready to be deployed, so please only copy the earlier version. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The statistics table completly ignores "Top" importance. Instead articles et al are assigned as other.   Argolin (talk) 07:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Māori task force
A Māori task force was previously created, and consensus reached for the following addition to this template. |tf 3= |TF_3_LINK = Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Māori task force |TF_3_NAME = Māori task force |TF_3_NESTED = Māori |TF_3_IMAGE = MaoriChief1784.jpg |TF_3_QUALITY = yes |tf 3 importance = |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Māori articles The current version of the sandbox also contains the new changes. It can be directly copied to the template page. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 05:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, would it be possible to create a  parameter rather than (or as well as) the proposed   one? Most keyboards do not feature a "ā". Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Which parameter do you mean? The main one is, and the importance one is  , both without the macron. Did you mean something else? – Liveste (talk • edits) 06:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. For some reason I thought it said "Māori". My apologies. Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. So we're good to go with the template change. – Liveste (talk • edits) 07:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

. There's a missing category, shown on Template:WikiProject New Zealand/class. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Wording tweak
The sandbox contains a wording fix, that essentially changes the display text for the task forces (diff):
 * Current: This article is supported by New Zealand politics task force.
 * Proposed: This article is supported by the New Zealand politics task force.

The code can be directly copied from the sandbox to the template. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 05:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit
Please add the following:      |MAIN_CAT            = WikiProject New Zealand articles under the script:              |PORTAL              = New Zealand so as to categorise all articles into Category:WikiProject New Zealand articles. Thanks!  Mar4d  ( talk ) 18:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Danger High voltage! 07:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Attention needed parameter
There's a parameter that can be set: attention=yes When it is set to yes, what does it actually do? Is there a category that can be monitored?  Schwede 66  21:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It places the article's talk page in Category:New Zealand articles needing attention. I don't know if anyone actually monitors this category.- gadfium 00:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect a common usage of this parameter originally was when an article is nominated for deletion. The page WikiProject Deletion sorting/New Zealand probably superseded this, and WikiProject New Zealand/Article alerts went a step further in giving interested editors a view on articles needing attention.- gadfium 00:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. As a housekeeping matter, should we thus delete this parameter?  Schwede 66  01:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to it being deleted. However, I suggest you wait for a week to see if anyone else comments, and also advertise this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council.- gadfium 03:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, have advertised the fact at WP Council. I thought I'd take a look at a sample of articles in the category, and I've picked the middle column (6 articles):
 * Ronald Hugh Morrieson tagged March 2011; explicit concerns not addressed
 * Nesian Mystik tagged May 2010; greatly improved since (so tag shouldn't have been there any longer)
 * New Zealand Subantarctic Islands tagged July 2009; article hasn't really changed since
 * Pesticides in New Zealand tagged July 2009; has somewhat moved on since then
 * Rovers Amateur Swimming Club tagged June 2010; the same sad look as back then
 * Save Aramoana Campaign tagged July 2009; has gone through significant expansion (so tag shouldn't have been there any longer)

It's fair to conclude that based on this rather small sample, the system isn't working. The tags should either have been removed, or the concerns haven't been addressed for a very long time. The latest tag placement in the sample was some 2.5 years ago.  Schwede 66  08:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw the "ad" at wikiproject council so came here to see what this is all about. I am curious to see Category:Automatically assessed New Zealand articles‎ as a subcat of Category:New Zealand articles needing attention. I wonder what you plan to do with the category if you decide to delete the parameter? XOttawahitech (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody seems to have any objection, so I suppose we can delete the parameter. That would supposedly also mean that Category:New Zealand articles needing attention is no longer needed. I suggest that Category:Automatically assessed New Zealand articles would simply move up to the parent Category:WikiProject New Zealand articles. Gadfium, can you do the honours of deleting the parameter, or is that more complicated than this? Shall I go through and remove the attention=yes parameter from the various talk pages?  Schwede 66  06:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the parameter, but templates are complex and it may be that removing this field results in a default behaviour in the parent template activating. Removing "attention=yes" from the talk pages would be useful.- gadfium 08:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed the parameter from the various talk pages.  Schwede 66  20:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

needs-photo parameter
Is there some way of tweaking the needs-photo parameter to add a location, as there is with image requested, so that, say "needs-photo|yes|Otago" will add the article to rather than to the generic NZ category? Grutness...wha?  11:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There are several ways that this could be done.
 * The approach taken by is based upon a combination of two yes/no parameters, one being needs-image and the other that of a relevant geographical taskforce, so if e.g. both yes and yes are present, the page is placed in.
 * Another is to have two parameters, like needs-photo and needs-photo-in, so that yes alone would populate, as now; whilst the combination of yes with Otago would populate . The problem here is that needs-photo-in should be validated in some way; although has no validation for its in parameter.
 * A third is that the value of needs-photo could be utilised - so it wouldn't be a simple yes/no parameter, instead yes alone would populate, as now; whilst Otago would populate . Again, the problem here is that needs-photo should be validated in some way. I don't really like this one, it's overloading the parameter.
 * Finally there is the approach taken by e.g., which when yes is set, puts the page in and displays the contents of imagedetails, but since there is no category refinement, this does not seem to be suitable for your purpose. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - so the first method is probably the best way to approach it? I take it if the second parameter isn't present it would just return the article to the general ? One possible problem with it is that you mention "relevant geographical taskforce" - as far as I known WPNZ does't have any specific regional taskforces except for Auckland - would others need to be set up? Grutness...wha?  01:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There isn't even that, I've checked both the documentation and the template code proper, and Auckland simply isn't mentioned. There is a WikiProject Auckland but it has a separate template, not linked to in any way. It could be linked, if there is consensus from both WikiProjects to do so. But setting up other such WikiProjects for the other fifteen Regions of New Zealand seems like a lot of work, plus you would really have to get each one through WP:COUNCIL/P (see WikiProject Council/Guide).
 * Personally I favour the second one, adding a needs-photo-in parameter. There is a category for each Region (see box at start of this section), so I would use some code that takes the value of needs-photo-in, prepends  to that (possibly allowing some variants, such as Northland for ), checks if the category exists, and if not, default to . -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, cheers. Grutness...wha?  01:23, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Law task force
Recently on WT:NZ consensus was reached that the creation of a law task force (WP:NZLAW) under WP:NZ would be a good idea, so I am in the process of doing this. I'm popping a this on here as I've tested it briefly on the sandbox for this page, but to help facilitate the creation of the task force, if an administrator could add my edit in to include the task force on the template, that would be much appreciated!

|TF_4_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Law task force |TF_4_NAME          = the New Zealand law task force |TF_4_NESTED        = Law |TF_4_IMAGE         = Scale of justice 2.svg |TF_4_QUALITY       = yes |tf 4 importance    = |TF_4_ASSESSMENT_CAT = New Zealand law articles Carolina2k22 • (talk)  •  (edits)  08:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * tf 4=
 * Partly done. I suspect there are a number of categories to create, but perhaps bots will create these. WikiProject New Zealand will need to be updated, as will WikiProject New Zealand/doc.- gadfium 09:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thank you! I went through the categories earlier on, I'm assuming I've got them all, but we'll see. I'll update those two now. Carolina2k22 • (talk)  •  (edits)  09:18, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * (apologies), I also forgot to include this after, if you are able to add when you are next available:

|TF_4_MAIN_CAT      = New Zealand law articles
 * Done- gadfium 17:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)