Template talk:WikiProject Schools

School districts
Does this template apply to school districts as well? --Geopgeop 08:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Categories
I have been putting this onto schools articles as and when I see them, but I noticed it uses two categories that dont exist:
 * Category:WikiProject Schools articles needing infoboxes has been changed to Category:School articles without infoboxes
 * Category:Unknown-importance school articles

Should these be created?

--Regan123 02:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry about that. They shouldn't be red links anymore. Jh12 07:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * edited to reflect replacement category name Dbiel (Talk) 03:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:School.svg
The image Image:School.svg looks like it could do with a bit of work. The perspective is wrong and looks a bit messy, shall I work on a tidy up or replace with an image like Image:Apple-book1.svg? Richard Thompson (Talk! | Contribs) 11:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd rather it remain a school house (Or something else denoting a school rather than education) and preferably not one that looks like a college but the current image could definitely use some reworking. That specific image (Apple-book1.svg) is the "logo" for the education wikiproject so using it would be a little confusing. This should probably be discussed on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Schools page as that's where the most recent major changes were discussed. Adam McCormick 16:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Strange assesment banner formatting
Can't you have that assesment comment as a drop-down or something like most project assesment banners do? The current formatting is really ungainly, and at times ruins the talk page flow. Aditya Kabir 20:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would if I knew how. Can you point me to the pages on which this has caused a problem? Adam McCormick 23:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've revamped it and it's much more stable all-around (it doesn't tranclude the main template) Adam McCormick 21:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Move
You can now use the move parameter to specify a move, may need to change namespace at some point Adam McCormick 06:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't you just go ahead and move it? I don't see the point of this parameter. --kingboyk (talk) 19:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to, but there is an obscene amount of debate that goes into what some of these schools should be called and how they are disambiguated. This is kind of a "Hey I think this needs to be moved, but dedicated contributors can decide" way of doing things. We tried it your way and caught a whole lot of flak from alumni and "friends" of specific pages. Adam McCormick (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be broken right now (For example, see Talk:Denbigh High School, Luton) -- Ratarsed (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be broken, I'll be looking into it in an hour or so if noone gets there first. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Took longer than intended, but I've got a working version. Now just waiting on admin. Adam McCormick (talk) 06:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed, let me know if more needs to be done. Adam McCormick (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

WPSchoolsAssessment
I have been building this template in parallel and I think its extra features are now sufficiently hidden. I will be merging it back into this template unless there are any objections raised. There should be no visually appreciable difference. Adam McCormick 17:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Needs infobox
Articles that were rated before this feature was added are now marked as needing an infobox because it's the default setting. Could someone please change this (or I'll see if I can do it when I have more time)?  W ODU P  19:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.  W ODU P  05:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a significant number of assessments which operate on the assumption that the default is yes as well. I'm reverting it unless there's a better reason. Adam McCormick 18:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am in the process of writing a bot which will make this problem moot. See Bots/Requests for approval/BoxCrawler for my request. Adam McCormick 18:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bot has been approved-ish and will run through all 8000+ articles tinight and into tomorrow. I'll let everyone know in the morning when it's finished. Adam McCormick 15:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Size of Template
There has been concern from one editor concerning the amount of space this template takes up. I personally don't see it as an issue because the banner can be nested which will shrink it to a single line, but I'd prefer discussion to a revert war. Please let's discuss the "bloated" nature of this template before we slash it beyond usefulness. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst i dont think the template is that big, it could be made smaller by removing the collaboration bits, i dont know of any other project that does that in their WP template. Your point about nesting them is a good one, and thats what should be done. Twenty Years 00:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

WPSchools template examples
Examples of how the WPSchools template will appear under various circumstances can be seen here. There is too much space assigned to the left column pictures, which is casing the template to expand downward and take up more room than required. The template indicates that the "article has been marked as needing an infobox" even though the |needs-infobox= has not been specified or even listed. Some funky text appears below the template with all parameters are listed with no parameters active. The template does not work well when the small parameter is active. GregManninLB (talk) 00:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The "article needs infobox" bit is not really an issue because we have a bot to correctly label any page using the template. Maybe the default needs to be changed, but the average newly placed banner is on a page that does in fact need an infobox. I agree that the current collaboration bit may be unnecessary. I've never actually seen the small tag used and I agree that it looks horrendous, but I'm not sure what to do about it. I don't think that the left column is an issue. The banner is not bad off and I'd like more input before we just change it. Adam McCormick (talk) 02:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have put together a "Bare Bones" version in the hopes that it will appear a bit cleaner and alleviate the concern. The smaller version is User:Alanbly/WPSchools. It may have removed too much but i would be glad for any comments. Adam McCormick (talk) 03:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also fixed the move and category issues, so they should be merged in regardless. Adam McCormick (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken a crack at the "small" version and it (and the rest of the exemplars) can be found here. Adam McCormick (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks better. However, there still seems to be too much space on the left and right side of Image:New School.svg in the template. That is causing the introductory text to fall over four lines. I think the code ") parameter to this template for bot taggings? It would be greatly appreciated! Cheers,    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 00:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What kind of bot taggings do you want to add support for? Just the usual automatic stub classification (if the article is using a stub template)? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, just for tagging articles in a stub category, such as Category:South African school stubs, with " ".   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 21:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * . There is a category which needs creating. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! The category (Automatically assessed Schools articles) has been created.  Thanks again,    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 22:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Better wording
This template currently advertises the WikiProject as "an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world.". To me the word "attempt" is rather defeatist or lacking in belief that it can be done. This thought came to me seeing it in combination with which uses the more positive wording "a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia.". Borrowing that more active leads to a better, stronger advertisment for the merits of the project (imho).

Proposal:
 * Change: " an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world"
 * to: "a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world"

or
 * Change: " an attempt to write quality articles about schools around the world"
 * "a collaborative effort improve Wikipedia's coverage of schools around the world".

I don't really have a preference between the two, and have no objection to other suggestions along these lines. Thryduulf (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "collaborative effort" is a definite improvement, but I think an emphasis on "quality" rather than "coverage" is worth keeping. Kanguole 13:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are no other comments in the next couple of days I'll make the change to "a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world". Thryduulf (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the feedback Kanguloe, I've now made the change. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

New assessment criterion
Could someone with TE  rights please tweak  the template to  accept the class=draft. I would do  it  myself but  I  don't  like tinkering  with  templates. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 12 November 2015 - Add Redirect-Class,
It has been suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools that this project add a redirect class. I have already created the relevant category at Category:Redirect-Class school articles. Please change extended to inline and class to class. Thanks. EyeTripleE (talk) 08:43, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, why is this template edit protected? I see no signs of edit-warring in any of the discussions above? EyeTripleE (talk) 08:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES.. You ask why, 50,000+ transclusions. Bazj (talk) 09:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Green check.svg Added to sandbox . See Template:WikiProject Schools/sandbox and Template:WikiProject Schools/testcases. EyeTripleE (talk) 10:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Bazj (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Wrong sortkey used
The sort key for the categories of this template (and all other templates) should be "Τ" and not space. See wp:Sortkey. Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:22, 17 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me


 * , Sorry but no. The template sorts under W in Category:NA-importance school articles and Category:Template-Class school articles. Articles using it such as Talk:Eton College sort properly under the school's name, Category:B-Class school articles and Category:Top-importance school articles. Not seeing your problem. Examples? Bazj (talk) 17:19, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't check the examples you provided, however this is where I see a problem: Category:WikiProject Schools. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:23, 18 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me


 * , In other words, the problem exists where the template and the category share the same name. It seems fairly widespread behaviour, in some places it happens explicitly, in others it happens by default. Looks to be part of the behaviour of Template:WPBannerMeta on which this template and many others are based, and which is admin-protected.
 * Sorting all templates under T seems a pretty unhelpful outcome. Using our current example, it would obscure the fact a template and category shared the same name. Bazj (talk) 10:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll take this question. in Template:WikiProject Schools/doc there is the following line: The sortkey is the space after the pipe. You can change this if you want, but it is standard practice as this template is deemed one of the main templates for the WikiProject. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 September 2019
Please change lines 8–9 of the template source code which currently read: |QUALITY_SCALE      = inline |class= to |QUALITY_SCALE      = subpage |class= I've already created the required subpage with the appropriate parameters for use of the Class mask template in this manner. If there's reason to prefer the inline format for this template that I'm unaware of, then please import the new parameters from the subpage linked in the preceding sentence instead. —  ⚞ 🐈ℛogueScholar  ₨Talk🗩 ⚟     $My recent mischief$   03:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Please update the documentation as needed. Cabayi (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC) formerly Bazj (just in case someone scrolls up)

Template-protected edit request on 15 November 2019 - attention parameter
WikiProject Schools has a successful and well-documented framework for managing articles that require editing to resolve a range of deficiencies, but it suffers from unnecessary fragmentation and fails to make use of more recent conventions for WikiProject workflows. After careful consideration I am requesting these changes to address that situation, being satisfied that it does not impact those who continue to use the existing methods, by adding an equally robust but more centralized and intuitive method to achieve the same range of outcomes. I've already verified that the destination categories exist and reside in the correct containers with appropriate content to facilitate their use and understanding. I'll update the documentation subpage, TemplateData and related project pages accordingly once the changes are complete.

Please  replace  line 16 (begins )of the existing source code with these two lines, |ATTENTION_CAT    = School articles needing attention
 * attention=

and  insert  the following after line 27 (begins ): |NOTE_4_TEXT       = This  has been marked as needing cleanup. |NOTE_4_IMAGE      = Edit-clear.svg |NOTE_4_CAT        = Schools needing cleanup |NOTE_5_TEXT       = This  has been marked as needing attention from an expert on schools. |NOTE_5_IMAGE      = Ambox important.svg |NOTE_5_CAT        = Schools articles needing expert attention‎
 * note 4=
 * note 5=


 * HOOK_NOTE=


 * Rationale:
 * The  parameter was removed from the transcluded meta template nearly a decade ago after all portal image declarations were centralized on single subpage; it no longer serves any purpose here.
 * Replacing it with the standard pass-through parameter for non-expert attention and adding equivalent notes for the other established project templates gives WPSchools participants and other editors a single point of action to effectively categorize articles according to their needs and receive attention from those best suited to address them. A plurality of active WikiProjects have already added this functionality to their banner templates to decrease the learning curve for new editors and encourage more effective use of their maintenance categories.
 * As the Rater gadget continues to see wider popularity, this will also allow those users to accomplish all the same results entirely from within that workflow.

Thank you for taking the time to review this request and act as you deem appropriate. —  ⚞ ℛogueScholar 🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟  08:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no problem making these changes but would you mind coding them in Template:WikiProject Schools/sandbox first? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Request disabled pending sandboxing of code &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)