Template talk:WikiProject Songs

This needs to be fixed, redirected from films to songs. --Fantailfan 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I've only done one template, but

still points to Films.--Fantailfan 11:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Need to add importance categories too. --kingboyk 08:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Classes
Editprotected Can the template have some text as guidance on whether class should be inputted as "B" or "B-Class" etc, so that editors do not need to dig into the template to check how to assign a rating?

Parasite 09:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This would still be welcome, especially for those of us who don't work with the project templates very often. --zenohockey 04:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's a good idea. Anyone can write that text - just look at the template source code and document the parameters. Once it's written, then ask an administrator to copy it to the template page. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 16:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Small option
Could someone add the small option to this template?— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 05:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done. – Luna Santin  (talk) 03:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Small problem, see Talk:Bohemian Rhapsody. The image size has to be changed to .— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 14:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ -  Harryboyles  21:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Image
Could we use a free image, such as Image:Nuvola apps juk.png or Image:Nuvola apps kscd.png? -KingpinE7 01:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * At the very least, can we have an image that doesn't misspell the word "Vinyl" in its title? That's just embarassing. Either of these images would be fine, though a photograph would still be preferable, even though this image is not that great. -- linca linca  12:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Vynil record.jpg looks free enough to me, and I doubt that any reader cares that the title, which is not displayed, is misspelled. Sandstein (talk) 21:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not done - this is a solution in search of a problem. If you get consensus in the WikiProject to change the image (hint ;) ), try again. Nihiltres { t .l } 15:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If anyone is still bothered by this -- I am, but I'm not in the project -- I've created a correctly spelled page that redirects to the image: File:Vinyl record.jpg. --Thnidu (talk) 05:01, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate the typo, and I'm not a fan of the image either (time to update). But I'm not really in the project either, though apparently back in April 2011, I put this page on my watchlist, probably waiting for a fix. It'll never happen. : ) – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 09:48, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Req: Change category
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Please change Category:WikiProject Songs to Category:WikiProject Songs templates. --PEJL 19:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Template is broken, image is too large
There's an ifeg with a G that should be ifeq in the code which causes the image to be way too large. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone fixed it. Happy‑melon 11:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

List Class
The List class still makes articles appear unassessed as is evident on Talk:Aerosmith singles discography. It would be helpful if it can be fixed so they no longer appear as unassessed.   O r f e n    User Talk | Contribs 01:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Also the Category class still makes article appear unassessed as is evident on Category talk:Anna Vissi songs. It would be helpful of this could be fixed as well.   O r f e n    User Talk | Contribs 01:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In passing, might I make the comment that you'd get more people assessing the Class of an article if it was displayed in the template - if it's not visible, people assume that Class isn't supported. As a second suggestion, might I point out Template:WPBannerMeta, which is a template for creating banner templates, thus allowing normal people to set them up without worrying about minor screwups like some of the above? Once you've converted to that template, then adding things like List and Cat would be a question of just adding "yes" to the appropriate line of the template. FlagSteward (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Missing classes
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Can someone add the categorisation for the new C-class to the template? It's showing up as unassessed presently. The category has already been created, and is in use by other related templates: Category:C-Class song articles. Seems pretty uncontroversial, the code above shows the change (changes are in ). Thanks – Ikara talk → 00:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 02:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Groups
I would like to add a grouping mechanism to the template as in workgroups. I think this would allow editors to monitor song within a category that they have some experience with. What say you all? -- Mjquin_id (talk) 02:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

New version of template
I've got an updated template at Template:Songs/sandbox which uses WPBannerMeta. Any objections to using it? -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Implemented. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Name
I would have thought the natural name for this is WikiProject Songs unless there are objections lets move it there. Song and Songs seem to valuable to be used for this forever. Rich Farmbrough, 03:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC).

Checking article against B-class status
The WikiProject Film template has an interesting Quality Scale that uses subpages, where articles can be checked against B-class status criteria. Should WP Songs have a similar option? I actually spent quite some time copying the Film template code into the Song template code on my sandbox and, well, let's face it, I just can't do code. It's best left to the pros. (It was the "Hook Assess" parameters that I kept tripping on, and I couldn't follow the meta template documentation.) Is there any reason to not have it? I kind of dig the checklist style, and it would help get some people involved in certain articles into knowing exactly what needs to be focused on. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ galaxies 20:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Main image
File:Vynil record.jpg and File:2 vinyl records + 1 CD.jpg as copyright violations. The image will eventually disappear from the caché. This should be repleaced with another image from this template and Template:WikiProject Albums. The options  are File:Vinyl Albums.JPG and File:Colour vinyl.jpg. I add File:A large collection of CDs 02-2005.jpg as another possibility (although other files can be added). Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  22:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm not the best to give an opinion because I was never wild about the original image, and I'm happy to see it go. But I'm also not wild about the new suggestions, which are basically the same thing. I would prefer something far simpler: like a single vinyl record. Why must there be 18 of them scattered about helter skelter? The first option is also underexposed. The colorful picture is... colorful, but as a thumbnail, it looks more like a 70s tablecloth pattern. Not wild about the CD cases either, which has a glare to it. When I have more time tonight, maybe I'll look for a suggestion, but my question to anyone would be something like this: What would you use as a logo for your record store? Something easy to see, something simple, something recognizable. Or maybe I'm taking this way too seriously, it's just a talk page tag anyway. :) – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 22:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a category for Vinyl records at Commons Commons:Category:Vinyl records, most of them have a valid license. Also there are free album covers at Commons:Category:Album covers and Commons:Category:Songs. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I was just there. File:Wikitracks Vinyl.svg would be my suggestion. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 01:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Were you thinking of two images, one for Songs, one for Albums? – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 01:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's a cool turntable in SVG format. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 01:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, one last thing, |da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popof shows two stubs, with the turntable and a musical icon being used. So a similar idea would be the turntable for the WikiProject Albums and something musical for Songs. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 02:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That turntable looks good. I don't know why Albums and Songs had the same image, maybe because they are connected. But perhaps it's time for a change. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  02:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll leave the difficult decision making up to you. Hopefully other people step up with opinions too. I like the turntable as well; I prefer it over the vinyl records (even the one I suggested). – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 04:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like other people to join the discussion (if any). For now File:Parlophone LP PMC 1202.jpg is being used, but it is too fuzzy IMO. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Turntable is good for Albums. For songs, I'd like to see something like a vinyl single superimposed over printed music.    78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * i like the turntable for albums! before i found this discussion, i went ahead and took a few photos of my own records and cds to match the old image (nb i'm not referring to the other contents of this directory), but i agree that the svg is superior. as far as songs go, i mocked up something like what 78.26 suggested. the sheet musics are two images from commons in the public domain. the record is a mockup of a They Might Be Giants EP; i'm on good terms with the graphic designer for the labels so i could probably get his permission to use the artwork at this resolution or a higher one (the band has previously been generous about using high-resolution images related to them). although, if that's inappropriate, i could just replace the label image with an ambiguous stock label from a major label. uh, if people like the idea, that is. ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 20:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I also like the turntable but thought the album, EP, and CD image was a good representative of the range of formats that albums appear in so support your image Boomur - I suppose an image with these and a 78rpm disc, 8-track, cassette and ipod would account for all past and present formats but maybe thats a bit OTT DISEman (talk) 08:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Albums has changed their image with consensus at their project talk page. Maybe the turntable should be used in Songs. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  17:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * i'm not sure about the turntable for songs, especially because the record on the platter appears to be a 12" (most commonly associated with LPs, especially in vinyl's heyday). on that note i'd also like to take this time to point out that i made another thingy, this time with a more wikipedia-type theme (though i need to clean it up considerably...at some point). it parodies old elektra labels like this one. pretty sure it's too simple to qualify as copyright vio, consisting entirely of part of a circle and some simple text. ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 00:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * too bad the amusing text won't show up in the banner.   78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 02:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I like this. If it could be in an SVG format it could be better (for its text). Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * This has been going on for way too long. I'd be bold and just use that image (vinyl over music notes) and then let anyone who wishes to complain to step forward at that time. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 23:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * i was about to upload the file, but i just want to make sure i'm using the right copyright info. it's a derivative of public domain works, so could i use PD-because with the description it is a derivative work from other works in the public domain, or is there something more specific i could use? sorry, i'm not really familiar with uploads that are anything other than fair use! ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 01:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Although it is made of PD files, you can still having copyrights for the work you made, e.g.. If the files were obtained from Wikipedia/Commons you can add the files to its description, like this, or if they are external images (but copyfree), you can cite where they were obtained. You can release the final work under a CC license or PD, like I did with this retouched file, where I remember I was asked if I release the simple changes under PD or CC. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks! i've uploaded the file (see right), feel free to use it. ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 22:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Please replace "Parlophone LP PMC 1202.jpg" with "WikiProject Songs 7" record on sheet music.png" per consensus above this request. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 22:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 April 2013
Requesting addition of B-class checklist to this template. like so:

-- Atlantima ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 22:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: There doesn't appear to be a B_CHECKLIST parameter - is it documented anywhere? Anyway, what I did, mostly borrowed from . I gave each criterion the alias B-Class-1 etc. so that the two could be consistent. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This change created an error. Now every B-class song is assessed as C, excepting The Beatles songs, which are merged in their own template. This should be reverted or fixed before 750 songs become 50. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's essentially how the WP:BCLASS checklist works - to be rated B-class, an article must score "yes" on all six parameters, otherwise the highest that it can have is C-class. See Template:WPBannerMeta and Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So, according to you, I have to spend many years of my life to check if the articles are B or C? Let me inform you nobody exceptvery few people, including me, assess and/or re-assess these articles. And I am not going to waste years because somebody arbitrarily decided to add that ranking without consensus. Which is the next step, add priority rankings? What a total waste of time. This is done when a Project is created, not when the project has over 78,000 articles. Also, you should try to begin to clean-up what you've created. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not my responsibility to "try to begin to clean-up what [I]'ve created". It lies with those who (individually or as a group) requested that the B-Class checklist be implemented. -- Red rose64 (talk) 06:36, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No, but it is your responsability to do the things right, if not left your admin tools. Albums did this in the past with consensus and the change did not affect the project's ranking as what you have done. Take responsibility on your actions. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  17:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You link "Albums did this in the past" - how is that edit relevant? -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Link
a bit off-topic, but why does the word "criteria" link to the page No? ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 16:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Where? -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * in "This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status". "no" is in the assessment link parameter, so i assume that's related. ~ Boomur &#91;talk&#93; 21:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the second instance of no - it seems that the documentation at Template:WPBannerMeta is at variance with actual behaviour. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 July 2013
How can we change the quality scale to accept redirect-class assessments? Is it as simple as changing the quality scale from "extended" to "subpage" or is it more complicated than that? Anyway, just looking to change entries of "class=redirect" for song articles so they are added to Category:Redirect-Class song articles rather than Category:NA-Class song articles. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. You create Template:WikiProject Songs/class containing the following:


 * and alter extended to subpage but please obtain consensus first. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have asked for additonal input at Wikipedia talk:SONGS. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been a week and the discussion received 4 supports (including mine) and no opposition. Don't know if that's enough to consider it a consensus. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)