Template talk:WikiProject banner shell/Archive 1

WPBIO
Has anybody had any luck getting this to work with WPBIO's banner?↔NMajdan &bull;talk 21:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * WPBio has a dozen different tables, which might be hyperbole, but not by much. I've taken a brief look at it and tried to make sense of it, but haven't really had much success.  One of the challenges is to keep the BLP table outside the nested table. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  00:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is indeed important, and the other container doesn't address that issue either.
 * If anything I'd contend that WPBiography is a special case which could be allowed to live on a talk page outside of any containers. It's quite an efficient usage of talk page space as it handles assessments for many different workgroups and WikiProjects, as well as displaying the living persons warning, the active politician warning, and maintenance messages like "photo needed". --kingboyk 13:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I ghetto-hacked it on Talk:Calvin Johnson (football player). It's not perfect, but it's a start. I did it by creating a template that I could wrap around the WPBIO project template. A similar approach could probably be taken for other noncompliant project templates. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think I've got it working... Take a look at Wikipedia talk:Sandbox/blp1. I wouldn't want to add any "exceptions" for any other templates, but I guess it could happen.  But this works.  Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  19:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Template update request
Can anyone help make ME-project suitable for nesting (if that is the right expression)? Carcharoth 16:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I've added the nesting option to that template. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  19:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Let's see if all this works at Talk:J. R. R. Tolkien and Talk:The Lord of the Rings... Carcharoth 21:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, I forgot that the other WikiProjects on those talk pages are behind the curve at the moment. :-) They haven't implemented the nesting option. Oh well. I still added WP:M-E to the list on the front page here. Carcharoth 21:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One template at a time... :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Help for a couple of Project Banners
Could someone help out on pghproj and WPSchool so they could be nested? Thanx! – Paschmitts 01:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like the Pittsburgh one was done. I've updated WPSchools.  Let me know if it doesn't work. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * took care of pghproj. WPSchool seems to work fine. Thanx for your help. – Paschmitts 20:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Code use for coaching templates
Hi, I recently implemented this nifty template on. I was wondering if I could view the source and/or somehow use this as a baseline to create a similar shell template for College & Pro coaching templates like. We're running into the same clutter problem from some of the more traveled coaches. Вasil | talk 05:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the NBA Champions templates, for example, . —Disavian (talk/contribs) 13:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Code insertion
Please insert the necessary code in WPBiography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Also, it is difficult to tell what templates need to be altered at Talk:Michael Jordan. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I went and fixed Talk:Michael Jordan for you. You can't just blindly place on a page and expect it to magically work. Read the instructions. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 23:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It had seemed from Talk:Richard M. Daley that Bio was not working. I can see from Talk:Andy Warhol that it is. I am going to play with this a while.  It must have something to do with some of the parameters. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The only reason that it's working on Talk:Richard M. Daley is because we're using a hack on that talk page that I developed. See for more info on that. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 23:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have found three more groups that need the coding U.S. Interstate Highway WikiProject, Messagebox protected areas, and WikiProject Automobiles.--Kranar drogin 11:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

One more that needs nesting TrainsWikiProject.--Kranar drogin 11:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * For some reason it seems, the WikiProject Chicago isn't working with their full template. It works fine if I am just stubbing it, but if I fill all the info, ie:


 * Then it does not work. Anyone able to help with this? Thanks in advance.--Kranar drogin 10:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Nested Parameter Needed!
I'll contact the projects and add it myself if I can, but this can be an open to-do list. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Template:WPBiography – If needs-infobox = yes, it breaks out. This was left like that per project consensus.


 * Indeed; I found the discussion. I just take out needs-infobox and use infoboxrequested.  Maybe I shouldn't be, but it's more standardised, looks better, and actually points people at what infobox they should be using.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 22:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Joseph Sadoc Alemany
Does anyone know why there's a on Talk:Joseph Sadoc Alemany? It breaks the box but it doesn't seem to be the fault of either Template:SFBAProject or Template:WPBiography. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Same problem on Talk:Karl Marx. I really think it's a problem with the WikiProject's template, but you couldn't prove it by me. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 19:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything on Karl Mark. I'll check the SFBAProject template and see if I can find it. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  21:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Found and removed the extra space from the SFBA template. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Now I can look for similar problems if I should see the space again. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 22:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm really going to have to learn the parser functions; WikiProject Caribbean is exhibiting similar behaviour and I can't for the life of me see why. I removed the only problem area I could spot but it doesn't seem to be fixed. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you show me where there's an issue? Talk:Jean Baptiste Pointe du Sable isn't having a problem before or after, so I don't think it's WP:Caribbean... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed it myself; the cache just hadn't updated. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 01:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Request
Can someone add the parameters to WP British crime? I'll figure out how soon enough, but ... TAnthony 16:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You rock ;) TAnthony 18:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Requests
Please add nested parameter to WikiProjectBoxing and WikiProject Scientology. The first is needed to do nesting on Muhammad Ali and the second one on Tom Cruise. Thanks! Stevie is the man! Talk &bull; Work 17:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added the code to both templates. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 04:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Just in case you didn't know, Stevie, you can also use the BannerShell template to get a temporary shell in place pending permission from the WikiProject to modify their template. It helps out a lot. :) I'll be posting a list shortly of most of the WikiProjects I've come across thus far that don't implement the nested parameter.  I just have to look through my contributions and see where I noted that in my edit summary.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 15:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That template will also come in very handy.  Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 17:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also note that the list of compliant banners is updated by the bot weekly when it makes the list of articles. It actually runs through Category:WikiProject banners to determine that. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  20:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Bridges
Template:WikiProject Bridges article is protected. Can somebody upgrade it with nested functionality? Thanks. Shinhan 17:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put in a request on the talk page. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Backpacking and LDS Project
BackpackingProject and LDSproject needs the nesting feature when someone has a chance please.--Kranar drogin 00:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and Done. Going backpacking in Utah? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, I wish. I just happened to find it when I was putting a few wikiprojects in. Thanks for your help!--Kranar drogin 01:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Tricky template fixes?
I've come across some parameter weirdness with a couple of changed templates: Can anyone help? Thanks in advance! TAnthony
 * Template:WikiProject Soap Operas and Template:LGBTProject - Check out Talk:Lena Kundera; the auto=yes parameter won't cooperate for either template :(
 * Template:Film - See Talk:Tusenbröder, the "Article Upgrading" box is also troublesome, and I think the "infobox needed" box is off as well ...


 * Personally, I just remove auto templates. You should just evaluate the article yourself. If you feel its of stub quality, mark it as such; if you think its better, like Start quality say so. If stub template is still present thats one of the indications of stub quality. As for Article Upgrading thats a bigger problem though. Most projects just use separate "To Do" list :/ Shinhan 05:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course I assess an article and remove the auto tag when I come across it, but I envision random bots and AWB runs leaving hundreds of these in their wake daily, and was hoping the templates could at least be made compatible. The Film project is a big one, and again, the template is better fixed than ignored. TAnthony 05:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "auto=yes" never cooperates in any template that has it. Most of the projects just leave it - since it's so glaring, it's an incentive to rate the article, just to get rid of that box :)  As for Film, take it up with them.  I argued to collapse the "upgrading needed" - or at least make it fit the shell - but it's been kept the way it is. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  13:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Blank spaces
There are a ton of templates with blank spaces in them that cause problems in the shell, WPNI among them. I tried to fix it, but apparently I'm not very good at that. I saw a few other places where that could have caused the problem, but I didn't want to remove all the newlines. I leave it to someone who's better with template syntax.

I'm going to run a bot once the cleanup list has gotten smaller that'll detect those blank spaces; I have a small list but I haven't been good at maintaining it.

Thanks, &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 20:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * YAY, I fixed it!
 * I also noticed a lot of templates making space at their bottom, but most of them loose that space if placed at the bottom of the BannerShell. WPNI on the other hand was the only one to still make space below itself even when placed at the bottom. Usual fixes where of course ineffective. So I copied that template to my sandbox and played around with it. Turns out if there is no comments for the target page the banner will output "&amp;nbsp;" instead of just silently skipping execution. So, by removing that &amp;nbsp; WPNI now shows no space at the bottom. Guys at WPNI are in the process of pruning the template, so do keep this template on your watchlist if they accidentally break it again. Shinhan 15:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Dallas
Can somebody fix WikiProject Dallas-Fort Worth? Its breaking up the BannerShell if any of the following is set to yes: needs-infobox, attention, peer-review, old-peer-review. If neither of those is set to yes it works normally. Shinhan 16:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you give an example? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ Done &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm
I've "updated" the following templates (among others), but they still don't seem to be working. Can someone familiar with the complexities troubleshoot them? Thanks. TAnthony 05:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikiproject MCB, see Talk:Amino acid
 * WPMED, see Talk:Amino acid
 * Spooky: After noticing Wikiproject MCB working fine elsewhere, I just solved the problem by switching the order of these two templates on Talk:Amino acid (putting WPMED before Wikiproject MCB). Any idea why that would make a difference? This quirk should be fixed if possible, or noted somewhere here. TAnthony 05:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Same thing occurred on Talk:Aikido with WikiProject Japan and martialartsproject; reordering the two solves it. TAnthony 05:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, your edits to change from WikiProjectBanners -> WikiProjectBannerShell have been reverted in both cases. However, in looking at the past versions, I see nothing wrong with either set of templates.  Don't know why it wasn't working, but it seems to have been fixed? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  05:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, maybe it was a server-catchup thing. Anyway, Raul654 pointed out the mutual agreement not to convert WikiProjectBanners to WikiProjectBannerShell and vice-versa, but I was doing it to identify templates which are not compliant with WikiProjectBannerShell and update them. Any suggestion how to find them another way? Maybe there is no easy way, or you'd have done it already. TAnthony 06:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Preview". Just do a preview instead of saving the page after changing to BannerShell and you'll see non-compliant projects without changing the talk page. If you wish to change banners to bannershell, you'll have to ask on each individual talk page. Shinhan 11:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * SatyrTN had a good idea, see below. TAnthony 14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Template update request...
For Template:WP Crime. Thanks... Videmus Omnia 19:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ You got it! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also Template:WikiProject Mexican-Americans, thanks! Videmus Omnia 04:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Whats next? Shinhan 05:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

One more
Template:WikiProject Baltimore City College. Videmus Omnia 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

✅ by Shinhan. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 19:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also Template:WPAbortion, thanks. (I'm running across these in the process of article tagging.) Videmus Omnia 19:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and Template:Project FBI. Videmus Omnia 19:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Also fixed WP Criminal, its class and importance were way too wide. Shinhan 20:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Template:Banner WPSLR. Videmus Omnia 20:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Shinhan. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 20:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Another template
Template:WikiProject Beauty Pageants. Videmus Omnia 14:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Shinhan 14:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Project records
I found an article with 7 WikiProjects! Talk:Latin cultures. Anybody else found same or more? Also, some other page had WPBiography put twice o.O Shinhan 11:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Italian War of 1521-1526 and Talk:War of the League of Cambrai each have seven ... TAnthony 03:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Banner compliance
For anyone else who may be interested, SatyrTN came up with the brilliant idea to compare Category:WikiProject banners with Template:WikiProjectBannerShell/Compliant banner list to identify non-compliant banners. Visiting links by letter on the Compliant banner list obviously makes them jump out in the category. I'm going to start to tackle this as a side project, but of course others are welcome; I've done some A's but I'll probably start with Z and work my way back to stay out of everyone else's way. TAnthony 14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There are 1071 banners on the WikiProject banners list (if I counted correctly) and only 358 are BannerShell'd. Although the first list has a lot of "User:*/Sandbox". I dont think we should concern ourself with WikiProjects that are so insignificant that we didnt yet see them while working on the cleanup project. Shinhan 16:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Many of those 1071 are redirects, as well. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * By all means if there's another list of templates to focus on, let me know, but the cleanup project list seems to be empty. But the ultimate goal should be to get every template, no matter how small, because editors often use templates from one Project to invent others (I've done it myself) and the non-compliance only multiplies.
 * By the way, so far I've come across the following "differently-constructed" templates which don't seem to be an easy fix, so I'd ask the more experienced to give it a go (or leave them alone):
 * Template:WikiProject .NET
 * WikiProject A-League
 * Yu-gi-oh
 * V0.5
 * Thanks.TAnthony 18:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * V0.5 should be left alone, as it's not really a WikiProject. I'll take a look at the other three. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  19:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Some more funky ones:
 * Project Waterfalls - Color formatting, etc.
 * WPMAR
 * WPKylie
 * Catbox WPVolleyball
 * ProjectVienna
 * WikiProject Userboxes
 * &mdash; TAnthony 03:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Catbox WPVolleyball (doesn't go on any talk pages)
 * WikiProject Userboxes (doesn't go on any talk pages)
 * Waterfalls looks a bit funny, but the others are all done. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's funky but kinda fun (if anybody's curious, check out Talk:Iguazu Falls). TAnthony 04:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's funky but kinda fun (if anybody's curious, check out Talk:Iguazu Falls). TAnthony 04:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I need help on solving the problem of WPCompSciAssessment as evidenced on Talk:ANDOS. Anybody got an idea how to make the assesment fit inside its parent box and therefore get nested? 16:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My suggestion is to visit WikiProject Computer science and mention that the assessment stuff is a) looking funny in WPBS, and b) signed, which is quite irregular for a project banner. Of course, it's only used on 12 articles, so it's not that big a deal :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  18:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Signing the assessment is not weird, but the layout is. I think the usual assessment procedure calls for making a subpage containing the actual assessment and then transcluding that inside the banner. Shinhan 19:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * WPCompSciAssessment duplicates functionality already found in WikiProject Computer science and the latter handles being nested correctly. I have put the former up for deletion.  --Ideogram 21:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

hard to find
If I'm not mistaken, then this template should be placed in Category: Article talk header templates, and maybe listed in Template messages/Talk namespace as well. --Latebird 18:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree about the category, and have added this banner to the Template messages page. Shinhan 18:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, when people are converting project templates for compatibility (if you're not all done by now) you should leave a link to the project in the edit summary. When I first noticed the edit to the WikiProject Connecticut banner, I had no idea what was meant by nesting and only found out when about a week later I came across a page that had it's banners nested. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 08:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I always say "Implementing support for Template:WikiProjectBannerShell" in my edit summary. And thats a really good objection because there is nothing else to connect the banner editing with this project. Shinhan 12:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you and also for your note in the thread at the top of the page. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 16:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject banners compliance
Just a heads-up: Within a few days I hope to have my second task for MadmanBot approved; at that time, he will begin publishing daily a comprehensive report of all WikiProject banners' compliance with WikiProjectBannerShell.

Thanks! &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh. I just published the first report myself.  Enjoy.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 13:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Update: The report is now automatically being published daily at 4 AM UTC. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Weird. A lot of banners marked with X have been BannersHell compliant for quite some time. How is your bot checking compliance? Shinhan 05:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It searches for the string .  I'll investigate the false negatives.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Problem solved. The pipe is now optional; it's not used in some templates where the user didn't copy/paste from Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell.  Fatal bug also fixed.  Look at that compliance percentage!  :D &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's also a WikiProjectBannerShell test page. This page uses all the WikiProject banners the bot has tentatively identified as compliant with WikiProjectBannerShell.  Using this page, you can quickly find banners that were falsely identified as compliant, banners that have blank spaces after them when used in the shell, and banners with annoying additions such as todo that break out of the banner and into the shell.  Don't mind all the "Warning: This template has been placed on a non talk page. This template should be placed on Talk pages only." warnings.  Obviously they won't appear when the shell really is on a talk page.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 13:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, the new report is awesome, thanks! As an update of my own progress, since my last note a couple of sections up I've "upgraded" every holdout template from N thru Z (and misc. others) in Category:WikiProject banners (like 400, if I may brag, heh heh), except of course for the following trickier ones, if anyone is up to the challenge:


 * WikiProject Taxation
 * Stargateproject
 * Spirituality project
 * Project skateboarding
 * WikiProject Rugby league
 * WikiProject Retailing
 * Project Owarai
 * WikiProject Oregon template
 * WikiProject Oregon government
 * WikiProject Oregon category
 * Mtsu
 * WPMIX


 * Thanks again. TAnthony 15:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * (ec)Some banners create problems only if some specific parameters are also turned on. For example WikiProject Hinduism. Every parameter (except class and importance and similar) creates additional box above the main box. If the test page is bot generated make it sectioned, like I did it now by hand. That way I can view source only for the one section at a time (less loading time).
 * TAnthony, can you also check Whatlinkshere to see if any of those are maybe no longer active. Shinhan 15:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I did Taxation partially, so it can be nested and retain style information, but its code is pretty dirty so it has space at the bottom.
 * Skateboarding is unused, maybe send it to TFD?
 * Rugby league - done
 * Stargate - tricky, they are using waaay too much style settings. I tried something, should be working, but its title line is a bit squished.
 * Spirituality - I removed the advert, done
 * Retailing - nested tables ~_~
 * Shinhan 16:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Mtsu is used only on one page, its project page
 * WikiProject Oregon template and
 * WikiProject Oregon category are non-talk page templates. They dont need nesting
 * WikiProject Taxation - can anyone fix it so that "More information" is hidden by default?
 * Not sure why this was necessary, but 'tis ✅ &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Check my talk page, its a request by its maintainer. Shinhan 18:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * WPMIX - done
 * WikiProject Oregon government - done
 * Project Owarai - done
 * Retailing - I tried it again, but I have no idea how to solve the nested tables theyr using.
 * I'd appreciate it if somebody got go over all I've done now and check them up, fix if some problems are found... I already had to do some fixing on Taxation. Shinhan 17:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Done?!
Um, I just finished my Z to A task on the banner category and I think it's possible that except for these tricky ones and perhaps a few stragglers, we may be near 100% compliant with current templates?! Somebody run that bot! TAnthony 22:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * WP MMO ✅
 * WikiProject Kabbalah ✅
 * WikiProject Electoral districts in Canada ✅
 * Department of Fun
 * Done – Good job! Compliance: 98.52% as of this writing.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 23:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome! A quick scan of your User:MadmanBot/Report does tell me that the holdouts are basically the tricky ones we've discussed elsewhere on this page. Yay for us. TAnthony 00:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I took care of WikiProject Kabbalah. The others look more difficult. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Department of Fun has only one transclusion (and that in Wikipedia namespace), its not important. I have done other two. Shinhan 10:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Straggler
Template:WikiProject Durham NC. Videmus Omnia 23:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ and I added it to the WP banner category. TAnthony 23:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaning BannerShell
I've been going through and removing instances of and updating templates that have had the nesting code inserted or whose nesting was broken. Right now, I'm down to about 100 uses.

Templates that I've added or fixed nesting:


 * Template:WikiProject DC (fixed)
 * Template:Wikiproject Emo music
 * Template:WPZOO (fixed)
 * Template:Project Wesleyan
 * Template:WikiProject Retailing
 * Template:WikiProject UK
 * Template:WPMAN
 * Template:Magic
 * Template:WikiProject Galicia

--Farix (Talk) 19:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Completely orphaned now. --Farix (Talk) 21:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! Thanks!  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 04:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Does this mean someone will be deleting/merging the template, or ... TAnthony 19:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it's still of use as a stopgap should a WikiProject banner not be WikiProjectBannerShell-compatible. No real need to get rid of it right now.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 20:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

banners outside the bannershell
Are there any pages that have BannerShell and WikiProject banners outside those shells? And can fixing that be automated (using that preg_replace from Madman's talk page)? Shinhan 15:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * According to SatyrTN, his bot identifies those pages; mine does not. It is currently impossible for it to do so using the method it does.  However, it is very thorough, and those pages would be in the minority; they'd get fixed eventually.  That preg_replace would fix it, as long as you knew what banner was outside the shell, grabbed it, and all of its parameters, and removed it before the preg_replace so you didn't have a duplicate. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

One more
Template:Global perspective task force. Videmus Omnia 19:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added it to the WikiProject banners category but I just noticed that the template itself needs an expert's touch ... ;) TAnthony 19:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 20:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Odd banner error
Have a look at Talk:2005 Texas Longhorn football team; I think is messing it up somehow. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 13:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you take out WikiProject College football it all works fine, and if you move it to the top the other WPs and everything after them actually disappear! I looked thru the template for a missing hidden-message-close (-->) or whatever, but ... TAnthony 14:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed it. I figured that it had to do with peer-review and old-peer-review, and messed with those until it worked. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 16:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:WPTCT
The above template has not been encoded for the nesting option. If anyone knows how to do so, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. John Carter 16:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅, and added to WP banners category. TAnthony 16:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

All WikiProject banners support..?
"As of 13:09, Tuesday 26 June 2007 (UTC) 04:17, all WikiProject banners support the use of the Shell."

I'd hardly describe that as an accurate statement. -- Mal 13:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Your right. Date is wrong, it should be set to the date and time of the last compliance report. I'll fix it now. &mdash; Shinhan  &lt;&thinsp; talk &thinsp;&gt; 13:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think I get Mal's statement. Some WikiProject banners aren't in [:Category:WikiProject banners]] and aren't compliant.  Should we change to "all templates in Category:WikiProject banners support the use of the Shell"? &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there a good reason for a WikiProject banner not being in WikiProject banner category? If not just add them to the group. If there is your report should check on them as well. &mdash; Shinhan  &lt;&thinsp; talk &thinsp;&gt; 17:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, there's no good reason for a WikiProject banner not to be in that category. But there are some that are not.  And they have not been evaluated for compliance.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe you should change the statement as above, specifying the category. But all editors applying the shell should realize that any non-compliant banners that come up are not in the category (and should be). So they need to be made compliant and added to the category. TAnthony 21:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If the goal is to add ALL WikiProject banners, then I guess there needs to be something done about it. I created three WikiProjects, and they seem to have been overlooked, whereas a couple of other WikiProjects that are basically sister projects descended from one of my own, have not been.


 * I am specifically flagged as a member of the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team, and as a participant of the WikiProject Council and, although I haven't participated directly in either for a while now, I don't recall having been notified about any improvements or developments regarding WikiProjects.


 * All three of the projects I created are categorised under Category:WikiProjects participating in Wikipedia 1.0 assessments and in the tree structure of Category:WikiProjects itself.


 * I can only conclude, therefore, that something is seriously amiss with regard to communication; this particular project; and the WikiProject scheme itself.


 * The three WikiProjects I have created, in case it might be relevant to any investigation on this matter, are: Northern Ireland, Belfast and Marillion. -- Mal 23:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry your projects were overlooked. If the project banners are templates in Category:WikiProject banners, then they've do indeed support WikiProjectBannerShell.  I know WPNI does; I don't know about the others.  I'll look into it.  &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * All three of your WikiProjects support this shell; I'm not sure I understand your comments. &mdash; Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * AND all three banners are members of the WikiProject Banners category, and has been in that category ever since they were created. So, whats the problem? &mdash; Shinhan  &lt;&thinsp; talk &thinsp;&gt; 06:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[de-indent] The problem is probably mine for not looking into this more thoroughly. However, when I did look, I noticed that none of the three projects I created were listed.. in a list that listed compatible projects(!) .. excuse my vagueness here! Also, I did attempt to add WPNI to an existing banner template without success. Again - probably my fault.

Thanks for your attention and care here by the way guys. -- Mal 19:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the "list of compatible projects" is obsolete. &mdash; Shinhan  &lt;&thinsp; talk &thinsp;&gt; 20:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm... It's updated every three days... But perhaps it's not important anymore. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It may not be needed for the same purpose now that we're fully compliant, but it is certainly useful to calculate how many templates are compliant and to track which new banners are "added" (for nerds like myself who are interested in such things). TAnthony 17:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Nested
doesn't support nested; can someone fix? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅, and added to WP banner category. TAnthony 14:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Another odd bug
There seems to be an extra line break transcluded in, but I can't seem to find it... See an example of the bug on Talk:Escambia High School riots. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 08:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems to be fixed now. Anomie 21:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Similar issue at Talk:Russia; can anyone figure out what's causing the extra space there in the Banner? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems to be fixed now. Anomie 17:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure what the problem was, but there is a recurring "error" (most often with the WP Bio banner, but others as well) where an extra space appears after a banner; moving that banner to the last position in the shell nearly always makes the space go away. It is an inconsistent issue and so far has not been able to completely eradicated.
 * I actually have a personal theory that the extra space may just be some kind of temporary fluke that is "fixed" as the servers update themselves; somehow in many cases it seems to miraculously fix itself later, as probably occurred with Talk:Russia, etc. For example, I recently added the shell to Talk:Celtic studies and noticed that the CornwallWikiproject banner created a space, so I reordered the banners and the space went away. Days later, in the edit history, the space does not appear in the preview of the old edit. I think mine is still the last edit on that talk page, check it out to see what I mean. TAnthony 17:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Russia was fixed by removing a linebreak from WikiProject Russian history. One note for anyone else trying to fix issues like this: when you edit a template transcluded into a lot of pages, it takes a little while for all the pages to see the update. You can purge a particular page to force it to see the update, or you can just wait a little bit. For CornwallWikiproject, it was probably your AWB cleanup that fixed it. Anomie 18:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Similar issue at Talk:Ojibwa with extra }} appearing. CJLippert 22:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Anomie 23:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Need to add one
WikiProject Gender Studies - Videmus Omnia Talk  02:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅, and added to WP banner category. TAnthony 03:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)