Template talk:Yes (band)

Order
I have no objection to the recent change to include Oliver Wakeman and Benoît David atop the list. However, David's name should not precede long-standing members such as Squire, Howe and White. This, in my opinion, should take precedence over alphebetizing the list. 2tuntony (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Studio Albums
I'm pretty sure both Keys albums used to be listed among the studio albums. Now only the second one is. I believe the first should be as well. It contains just under half an hour of then-new studio material, which is more than a typical EP and at least in some genres is, or was historically, considered enough for an album. Even if we look no further than the Yes catalog, it isn't that much less than Close to the Edge. Besides, the list looks a bit silly with the "sequel" listed but not the original. I believe both volumes of KTA should be listed in both the studio and live categories. 50.71.167.160 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keys to Ascension's total length consists of 116 minutes including 29 minutes of then-new studio materials. So the new materials are about only 25% of the whole album. In other words, only 2 songs on 9 pieces of the album are studio recordings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.185.142.128 (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So? 50.71.167.160 (talk) 02:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

List of members
Defining who is and isn't a member of Yes is tricky, but I think listing Tony O'Reilly and Tom Brislin as 'Additional touring musicians' conflates two people who were in very different situations, and also the subheading of "Additional touring musicians" takes up far too much room. Bondegezou (talk) 16:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Good call. (I had noticed this several times, but never managed to make my way to this talk page.) Now: What about Eddie Jobson? Jobson's "tenure" in Yes was, I believe, even shorter than O'Reilly's. Joefromrandb (talk) 07:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * They were both in Yes for a few months, but O'Reilly was gigging regularly, while Jobson just did a couple of rehearsals and shooting for the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" video. They are both marginal cases. I wouldn't complain if they were 'demoted' in the list. Bondegezou (talk) 07:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Just curious: I removed O'Reilly and Brislin, per your previous suggestion, yet I now see that Brislin was one of 3 you recently returned as "relevant". We obviously agree on O'Reilly and Jobson. What is your position on Brislin? Should he be in or out? Joefromrandb (talk) 02:09, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the design 5 years ago when I made that comment -- as seen here -- was silly and gave too much emphasis to them. Having them as additional links in the Related Articles line seems sensible. Bondegezou (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Additional people
has removed Roger Dean and Brian Lane from the infobox as, per edit summary, "Individuals work with many bands, so WP:UNDUE to include them here". I don't quite follow. All the names in the box have worked with multiple bands. Bill Bruford, a band member, has also worked with Gong, King Crimson, Genesis, Earthworks, Pavlov's Dog, Gordian Knot, UK etc. Other people listed under 'Related Articles', like Jay Schellen or Dylan Howe, have worked with multiple acts. So why is working "with many bands" a reason not to include Dean or Lane if we include Bruford or Howe junior?

I suggest that what matters is whether Dean &/or Lane are particularly associated with Yes. I believe that's undeniably true for Dean. It's perhaps more arguable for Lane. Bondegezou (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Dean was not a member of the band, Bruford was. Have a look at the vast amount of artists Dean has worked with.  To include him here, and to include this navbox on his page, puts WP:UNDUE weight on his association with this band over the others, or indeed over his work outside of the world of music.  -- wooden  superman  11:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * With regard to the temporary "members", there's a case that they shouldn't be included. Note that this navbox isn't transcluded at any of their pages.  I think Dylan Howe is a very strong candidate for removal.  -- wooden  superman  11:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm all for more abbreviated templates and wouldn't argue with removing Dylan Howe.
 * However, Dean is most associated with Yes. The lede for his article mentions only two bands, Yes and Asia (kinda a Yes spin-off). The Isle of Man postage stamp series on Dean featured 6 designs, 3 of which were Yes covers. Yes's own official webpage has a list of members and includes two non-musicians, Eddy Offord and Dean. It's not UNDUE to associated Dean with Yes. Bondegezou (talk) 12:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What about Greenslade, Budgie, Osibisa, etc, etc, all of which have album styles closely associated with Dean? Best not to be selective.  -- wooden  superman  12:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not denying that others are also associated with Dean, as Bruford is also associated with other bands. I don't think you can rule people in or out based on whether they're exclusively associated with the band. I think you have to judge whether they have a significant association with the band. When people think of Yes, do they think of Dean? When people think of Dean, do they think of Yes? (To which the answers are yes and yes.) Dean is closely associated with Yes (while, yes, Dean is also associated with other bands, and Yes have been associated with other artists too). It is not putting WP:UNDUE weight on his association with this band over others because Dean is better known and talked about in terms of his association with this band. Bondegezou (talk) 13:48, 22 March 2019 (UTC)