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Categorization: redundant ‘parents’
I made some changes to the categories at Christine de Pizan, and thought I’d drop a line to explain. I haven’t studied the categorization guidelines; this is just what seems sensible to me. Since the category Italian women philosophers is included in Italian philosophers, it seems redundant to list the latter: being the ‘parent’, members of its ‘children‘ belong to it by implication. Likewise for the French. And since French women poets is included in French women writers and French poets (which I realize weren‘t among your additions—just while we’re at it), it can replace both of them.

BTW, I notice you’re using HotCat: if you click the superscripted plus-sign near the beginning of the category list, you can make several changes in one edit.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  19:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Odysseus, please read WP:EGRS. Ethnic, gender, religion and sexual orientation categories are "non-diffusing" categories. That means, for example, that football wide receiver Dez Bryant is listed under both Category:Dallas Cowboys players and Category:African-American players of American football. Agatha Christie is not only in Category:English mystery writers but also Category:Women mystery writers.
 * Gender, race and ethnicity categories do not exclude the person from also being listed in the parent category. So, Ayn Rand is both in Category: American philosophers and also Category: American women philosophers (and both Category: Women novelists, Category: Jewish novelists as well as Category: 20th-century American novelists, too).
 * This not only is general practice but there was a big media to-do about this very issue back in Spring 2013 where Wikipedia got a lot of bad press for segregating women into gender-only categories. So, women authors were only listed as Category: Women novelists and Category: Novelists only contained male authors. A lot of work has been done over the past six months to rectify this. Liz  Read! Talk! 20:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks; I hadn’t come across the “non-diffusing“ concept before. The Rand example is pertinent, but I don’t see the relevance of Bryant or Christie, because none of those categories includes the other. (Indeed, I note Bryant is not included in American players of American football—an oversight?) Anyway, I’ll restore the ‘parents’ at C. de P. & tag the ‘daughter’ categories accordingly.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  20:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Tags
Hello Liz, How can I remove a tag, correctly? Thank You (Ketxus (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC))
 * Ketxus, you can go to the Edit tab at the top of the page to edit most aspects of an article.
 * Can you give me an example that I can look at? Then I could give you specific advice. Liz  Read! Talk! 14:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * See please the article Joxe Azurmendi It has a tag about "self-published sources", so I added more independent sources. I don´t know if I can remove the tag now.(Ketxus (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC))


 * You have provided links to a few websites, which is nice, but an article about an academic really needs more secondary, print material (books, journal articles, encyclopedias, newspapers, etc.). If you don't have access to a library, you can sometimes find useful material at Google Books or Google Scholar.
 * I don't think you have added enough to remove the tag right now. But the tag was just put on three days ago and won't lead to an immediate removal of the article. I encourage you to keep working on it...it's a challenge but it will really improve the article! Liz  Read! Talk! 14:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I learned a lot with you about wikipedia. You are very kind.(Ketxus (talk) 22:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC))
 * Well, I'm not sure how much I helped, Ketxus! The thing about Wikipedia is that a great deal of it is rarely reviewed. There are over 4 million articles on the English Wikipedia alone! An article might go a year or two (or longer!) without any Editor touching it. But when an article does get scrutinized, the expected standards of writing are actually quite high, reliable sources are required to validate all claims, especially when they involve a BLP (biography of a living person). So, with your article, someone has noted that it doesn't meet the desired standards and a tag is just a notice to attract Editors to put in a little effort to improve it. But the article has not been nominated for deletion so that's acknowledgment that it's already has a lot going for it, it just could be better. Liz  <b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 22:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Editor Survey December 2011
I just came across this WMF Editor Survey Dec 2011 results pdf file. What is particularly interesting is Section III (pg. 18) about how Editors feel about the Wikipedia Community and interactions with Admins and other Editors. It dispels some common misconceptions and reveals other interesting facts. Also, in demographics, 25% of those responding were under 21 years of age, most were male, single and had no children. I imagine parents, especially of young children, have little time to devote to editing. Of course, all of the regular disclaimers apply, this was not a randomly selected group of Editors, those who are willing to take time to respond to a survey request are those individuals who tend to be more satisfied with the process. Liz <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 19:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

English Wikipedia at a glance August 2013 Page views: 9,985 million/month = 333 million/day = 13.9 million/hour = 231 thousand/minute = 3.9 thousand/second



Other data

 * Hi User:Liz, Here is another interesting chart I found on a user page (so accuracy and date of data are questions) but whats' really striking to me is that only 1658 editors have more than 3,000 edits and there are 976 administrators. So I wonder what % of users over 3,000 edits are Admins. It would seem like it could be a very high %.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And there is a lot of interesting data here too.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:31, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know how I missed seeing this chart, <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b>...thanks for sharing it! Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 22:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And according to this page there are only 634 Admins who have made more than 15 edits per month for the past two months.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 01:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Sheldrake/Telekinesis
Funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlOxlSOr3_M Lou Sander (talk) 02:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

About the change to my talk page
Please do not that again. I left it that way, and I want the top few comments I posted to remain that way. I don't mean to be rude, but I wish for it to stay that way. Thinks anyway. -- Pretty les♀, Dark Mistress,   talk,  18:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You're not being rude, Pretty les♀,  Dark Mistress, . You have every right to have your Talk Page appear as you wish. I apologize for my attempts to "clean up" the page. I had thought you were a new Editor and were unfamiliar with Talk Page formatting.  Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 18:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

More Hispanic and Latino actor categories
Please don't create Category:Hispanic and Latino American film actors unless the current discussion on Category:African-American film actors closes as a keep. We have already seen Category:Hispanic and Latino American child actors upmerged after a very short existence. This will just lead to more work for people. At a minimum open a discussion on the wikiproject for actors and filmmakers and wait until you get a clear support for creating this category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, John Pack Lambert. I was just offering a contrasting perspective in that conversation. And I hope there also isn't a move to delete entire actor categories without discussion on the actors' WikiProject either. See you at CfD! Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 18:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

MilesMoney ANI
Hi Liz. Thank you for stating your opinion on the ANI. If you want, it might be helpful to restate it in the "topic ban for milesmoney tendentious editing" section. Steeletrap (talk) 01:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

"England, UK" vs "England"
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board on a topic you have recently discussed elsewhere. Please have your say if you wish. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, Bretonbanquet, is this still being discussed? Thanks for letting me know. All I want is a definite decision, one way or the other! Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 22:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The original editor brought it up again without informing me, not that he was obliged to, I suppose. The discussion seems to be alive again...! Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Is the Editor who was removing UK from all England locations still doing it or did it stop? Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 22:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * He has stopped, but is basically asking if he can start again. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a little shocked that he is asking for approval since before he just "went with it", whole hog, without ever inquiring about it on a noticeboard or Talk Page. Glad he is taking a different route this time around. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 23:00, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm still more than a touch surprised that no admins are even raising an eyebrow at his editing patterns. It's this kind of thing that makes Wikipedia look rather ridiculous. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)