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AFD of Juanin Clay
If you get a moment, could you head over to this article and complete the AFD? You tagged the article here, but I can't find the debate or a rationale for deletion. Thanks! UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought a bot would pick it up and create a page. What do I do next? I appreciate your help, I find the AfD instructions confusing. Newjerseyliz (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Tell me why you want it deleted, and I can complete the rest of the steps for you. A bot can list it and complete templates, but can't guess at your reasoning - and the reasoning is a big part of the process. AFD can be a bit obtuse, on occasion - but it's no problem. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * She just doesn't seem like a notable actress. There are hundreds (thousands?) of actors who have a smattering of film and TV credits. She didn't have a long-running or sustained career. I realize the article is a stub but I don't foresee it being expanded or worked on further.
 * As for the AfD, I don't know how to get it listed on the page with all of those values in parentheses (like (Talk) ). I have posted one AfD successfully but it took me hours to figure out how to get it listed properly and I don't recall the steps I took (beyond posting the tag on the article page). Thanks for the patience and help. I'd like to do more work on the AfD and Categories for Discussion levels. Newjerseyliz (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * On the page Juanin Clay, in the box headed "This article is being considered for deletion", you should find a list of four steps. You've done step 1; in step 2, click the first blue link (Preloaded debate) and this opens an editing window. Leave most of that alone; change the U to B but most importantly, change the word "Reason" to your reason why the article should be deleted (more on deletion reasons at WP:DELETE). Then set the edit summary to  and save the page; we can handle the remaining steps. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Red rose64, I would NOT have figured that out! For the one successful AfD I posted (for Brenda Venus) it was a trial and many errors. I think I just went to AfDs and cut and pasted wikitext. Still ended up posting it wrong the first time. Is there a reason it is so much more complicated that CfD? Newjerseyliz (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, I don't think I'll be creating a lot of new articles (that seems like a perilous undertaking) and finding typos and awkward grammar to correct is haphazard so I'm really looking for some way I can help on the organizational level. I hope AfD and CfD could be these areas once I learn from the masters.    ;-) Newjerseyliz (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, of the four steps that I mentioned, you've now done step 2 and I've.
 * I think we can omit step 4 (Please consider notifying the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juanin_Clay&action=history author(s)] by placing on their talk page(s).), because the creator was  who isn't likely to be watching for such messages. There have been other contributors; but most of them made only minor changes. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I thought I did all steps, as I put WP:NOTE as a reason why the article is being suggested for deletion. I didn't know I had to notify everyone who made a major contribution on the article. Is this done for every AfD? Man, this is complicated. Newjerseyliz (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't need to notify all the contributors. Typically, only the original creator is informed, but it's courtesy to also inform major contributors. I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Redrose64&dir=prev&offset=20130802165330&limit=3&target=Redrose64 notified three] who seem to have put more in than most. Hopefully, anybody else who's interested will have the page on their watchlist. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I notified some of those same people so I'll go back and remove the tag I put on their Talk Page. Thanks, again. Newjerseyliz (talk) 17:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like you all have it under control. Good work! UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 04:52, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Like I said, happy to help. No problem at all. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Category:American child actresses
The close was as a keep, so nothing has to be done. If you don't believe that we need any child actress categories, then your next step would be to nominate Category:Child actresses for deletion. Which will actually need to be an upmerge of all of the children categories so that they get kept in the by country actor tree. The end result is that to be clear, you will need to nominate everything or at least some of the subcategories. The remainder could be done as speedies if your proposal receives consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm disappointed. Either one of the two proposals would be an improvement over how things are right now. If I wanted to move the male child actors out of Category: Child Actors into Category:Male child actors, is they a way to do this with a bot or script? There are 1200+ articles that need to be recategorized in order that there is some consistency in the way that the gender is categorized. That's an awful lot of work. Newjerseyliz (talk) 03:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Michaelzeng7 (talk) 03:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Michaelzeng7 (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Very tedious job, so it's always nice to get positive feedback :-)  Serendi pod ous  15:23, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I can imagine. Tracking Twitter trends exposed me to a lot of music fan gushing that I wish hadn't eaten up as much time as it did. I'd be happy to never see another Excel spreadsheet but I know they are unavoidable. Your work is appreciated! Newjerseyliz (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Took your advice
I took your advice and went to WP:NPOV/N. Please keep a watch on Gospel of the Ebionites. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. It seems like you guys have gone round and round on these issues. I hope you get some definitive answers. Newjerseyliz (talk) 01:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am super-impressed with how professional the guys have been at NPOV/N. The feedback has been useful and at the very least it's due diligence for the next round of dispute resolution. Ignocrates (talk) 04:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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