User:1013-jessica/archive

My Project
I am going to be researching the EAA Air Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I have lived about 30 miles from Oshkosh my entire life up to this year, have been to the museum more than once, and believe I can find some pretty interesting facts about the place. There is already a one sentence stub on the museum, so I will elaborate and create a detailed entry called EAA AirVenture Museum. I think this is a great topic and I'm interested in the subject, especially because I've seen the museum. I think other people would use the information because there are so many different planes at the museum, a month in the summer is pretty much dedicated to this area in Oshkosh for the EAA Airventure shows, and people who go to this place can usually get a free ride or become a part of the EAA member's list. It's a really fun place to go see and it's a huge tourist attraction in central Wisconsin!

List 1
 * House on the Rock,
 * Bell Museum of Natural History,
 * Handel House Museum,
 * Vintage Aero Flying Museum,
 * Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum

List 2
 * Oshkosh, Wisconsin,
 * Experimental Aircraft Association,
 * Fixed-wing aircraft,
 * Specific planes they have in the museum(not sure which ones yet!),
 * EAA AirVenture Oshkosh


 * Thoughts from Josh. Jessica, this sounds like a good project, and you've picked some excellent articles to use as models. That will be helpful to you later on. I edited your project proposal to reflect the exact name of the article stub and link to it. Remember, your final article needs to be 1500-2000 words of concise encyclopedic material. Do you have enough material to go on? Will you be able to find references other than the museum's website? If you have any questions about your project proposal, write me a note here, and write "QUESTION FOR JOSH" in the edit summary box when you hit the "save page" button. I'll stop by later to answer. 1013-josh 21:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Bibliography
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 * A book from my mom
 * I might also have a program from the place from when I was younger--we'll see how this turns out??

Workshop: EAA AirVenture Museum
Workshop Guidelines

Hello Jessica I thought the article was good. I appreciated how the article called attention to the Young Eagle program. The discussion of the different kinds of planes was fascinating. The picture of the museum's sign is also interesting. The article has cleaned up many of the NP POV issues. I googled scholared a print source for the article. The title of the book is Aeronautics and Space Flight Collections by Catherine D. Scott. On page 31, there is a soild paragraph on the EAA Air Venture Musuem that mentions such things as the museum is located in Hales Corner, Wisconsin and is about to move to its new location in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. A copy of the book is available in sub-basement of Wilson Library. You might want to look up Jim Koepnick, according to Aviation Week & Space Technology December 2006, he lives in Oshkosh Wisconsin and has been the EAA's cheif photographer for 23 years. I would assume that he would have taken pictures of events at the museum, and would also be associated with the museum. Have you considered asking the EAA if you could use the photos from the EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2006 Photo Gallery at http://www.airventure.org/2006/gallery/july25.html? Finally, it is common for wikipedia articles on aircraft museums to list all of the aircraft the museum has. Post on my talk page if you have trouble finding the references I mentioned. --1013-Andrew 23:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Jessica,

Your article was very interesting and I was suprised that I had never heard of the museum, coming from Wisconsin. I enjoyed learning about the different activities that can be done at the museum. I think you expand on this area in your paper by explaining more about what is in the museum and going more in depth with the curent activites that are more of in a list fashion. I also thought that the information about the history of the museum and how it started was very interesting. It would be interesting to research on the how and why aspects of the start of the museum. I would like to know more about the start and how the museum as grown throughout time. You could also expand on areas that our more relevant to the museum. For example you mention the movie theatre, and library but don't tell us anything about them besides that they have information. It would be good to have more information on what is in the museum how it is displayed and different features the museum offers. You could also work on the name of sections in some places, like "Background Information" doesnt seem applicaple to the information provided. It would to organize the article a little concretly without as much variance and topic changing under headings. For example you could have a specific heading for the planes offered, and have all the avtivites, from virtual to the kids activities, that can be done under one section. This would help the reader find information and organize your article. Overall the article was very good with a lot of good information, and was very interested in the information provided.

1013-Isaac 01:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Let me know if you need guidance on the EAA article (within the parameters of your assignment). I am a graduate of UW-Oshkosh, and I took the pictures used in the article. I left a few comments in the article and in Josh's talk page. I wish that I would have had a cool writing class like this at UWO! Royal broil 19:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: Royalbroil has used a markup method you may not be familiar with yet, but it would be good to learn it. If you click "edit page" on the EAA article, you will see comments such as this: "" . The formatting, with the arrows and the exclamation marks, turns the comment invisible, so that you don't see it when you're looking at the article. You only see it when you are in the editing window. Royalbroil's comments are very helpful, so don't miss them 1013-josh 22:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

If you would like me to assist with copyediting, I'm more than happy to help. (I wish my own English teacher would consider Wikipedia as a class project :) ) Good luck with the project! +A.0u 05:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, EAA AirVenture Museum, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the "hook" for the article at Template talk:Did you know where you can improve it if you see fit. 1013-josh 22:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Jessica,


 * I enjoyed reading your article and I think you have found a lot of great information about the EAA AirVenture museum. I also think you have separated the information into categories/headings that are appropriate to your topic and that make it all flow well.  You have broken your paper/ page into five sections, Introduction, Background Information, Young Eagle Program, Tours, and Special Programs.  I like it that you are using transitions at the end of your sections to lead into the next category for example at the end of your Background information you talk about the Young Eagles Program which is like a transition into the next section about Young Eagles.  I only have two suggestions and I think they would be helpful with making your paper longer.  While reading through your article I found myself curious about who exactly the people were who decided to build or start the museum. If you know who those people are I think that would add to your paper.  I also am curious about what goes on during the summer months that you talk about.  I think you could add a whole sub heading or heading talking about the activities that occurr in the summer at the museum.  Eitherwise I think you have done a great job!

-Christi 1013-christi 19:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You're in an interesting place with this article. As a Wikipedia article, it's looking pretty good. It's cleanly organized. You've managed to find sources other than the museum website, and maxmax and royalbroil have helped you with things like avoiding references to current events and reworking the prose style to meet the guidelines at WP:NPOV. If you walked away from the article tomorrow without revising it further, I think it could survive for quite a while as a useful source for people wanting to learn more about the museum. As a research project, however, you're in a more difficult spot. Where do you go with it now? What do you do now that you need to double its length, and you have Wikipedia editors looking over your shoulder to cut filler about current events and other promotional copy from the museum website? Is this an article that deserves a 1500+ word article on Wikipedia? I don't have the answer to that question. Sure, I have a lot of ideas about what it might be interesting to know more about: more about that small group of experimental aviators, more about how the museum has changed in the years since 1953, more about the Swallow OX-5, more about that Pioneer Airport. What else? Does that information exist? Is it appropriate to include? Do you have other things you're thinking about? Let's talk. I'm hoping to see a full 1500+ well-researched article from you; at the same time, I don't want you to force it if that length seems too long for the material, so you should let me know if you run into difficulties. And use royalbroil and these other folks as a resource. You might post a note asking them what feedback they have about the article. 1013-josh 10:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You're on the Main Page!

Hi Jessica, your article is currently featured on the Main Page of Wikipedia in the "Did You Know?" fact box. It will be up there for the next 6+ hours. You may get some strangers stopping by your article as a result, so check the page history. 1013-josh 04:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment by Royalbroil
Congrats on making the DYK section on the main page! I love the feeling that I get when something that I've helped with is featured in that section! It shows that something that I did helps mankind in some small way. I liked it enough to create a "Did You Know contributor" userbox that states how many "Did You Know" articles that I've contributed to. I put the userbox template so everyone can use it, and it is now widespread in Wikipedia. :))

I am giving you feedback on the article before you asked it because I don't come to Wikipedia as much on weekends, and my early week class schedule is kinda rough. I graduate in a few weeks. I think that the article is complete. I can't think of any topic that isn't covered. You could look at other famous museum articles here in Wikipedia to see if they have any other sections that you should look into. I find the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Ashmolean Museum, and Vatican Museums to be as complete or less complete than this article. There are three museum articles that have achieved the Good Article status: Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago, National Gallery, London, and Palanga Amber Museum. Two of the three articles appear shorter than this article.

The main difference is that those three articles are very well referenced with reliable print sources and this article is not. This article uses the websites of the museum, which is not considered a good reference as it is someone talking about themself. This could potentially lead to problems if they are lying (see WP:SPS). Still, I don't think that you should remove anything because of that problem. Wikipedia ideally would like to see the museum referenced in three solid references, and it has one great reference and one decent reference: Capital Times and earlyaviators.com. The notability standards say "A topic is notable if it has received significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Multiple reliable secondary sources is generally taken as three. I hope you will find two more strong reliable sources that have articles featuring the museum (more than a passing discussion or a schedule for the museum). Easiest to find are newspapers - most likely the Oshkosh Northwestern, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Appleton Post Crescent or Green Bay Press Gazette. Three reliable sources mean that I shouldn't have to worry about defending the article if someone challenges its notability.

If 1500 words is a firm requirement, then I suggest googling for more, but I searched through over 40 google hits to add one sentence. Great Job! A+ Royal broil  03:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Participation: Jessica

 * I edited Isaac's article for some minor grammatical errors. I also left him some invisible notes about possible opinion statements that he may want to change.
 * I changed some of Andrew's sentences around and fixed some grammer issues
 * Made some small changes to Christi's article
 * Looked up another website/source for Isaac. Told him on his workshop section.  Also, I looked for pictures that related to his article, but could find none except maps of Iceland.
 * Gave Christi a suggestion of linking Buffalo, Minnesota to her article--looked up the wiki link
 * Looked up A Plague of Frogs and it seemed to link a lot to the Bible, so I gave Andrew a heads up on that. I also told him to consider adding a related link to this area of A Plague of Frogs.
 * Added blockquotes and subheading to Andrew's article
 * Went in to fix Issac's footnote that looks like abcdefg, but can't figure it out. I think it has something to do with the ref name= format he used
 * Added wiki link to Christi's article. Also, I put in an invisible note on where she may want to add a footnote or reference.

Homework
Hey, Josh! I'm finished with my homework!1013-jessica 18:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, finished hw! The link is Over the Hedge I edited under the film part, not the comic strip.1013-jessica 01:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Good work. Remember to add a comment to the edit summary box to make it easier for other users to follow your changes. You may want to add the film page to your watchlist so you can see what becomes of your changes. I wonder if someone will change your "very cute" wording to bring it in line with "Wikipedia style." Arguably, it could be considered a violation of the guidelines at Neutral point of view. It's a grey area. Did you know there is a page at Over the Hedge (film), as well? 1013-josh 06:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Josh! Just letting you know that I do consent to the project and all the details! See you tomorrow!!1013-jessica 01:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, great! Let me know at any time if you change your mind and would like to switch to an off-line research assignment. 1013-josh 07:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Josh. I finished my homework. My bibliography is under My Project and my 300-500 word page in on my project draft page. My bibliography is only what I have right now and I gave you the external links. Hopefully this works. Thanks!1013-jessica 02:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like you're off to a good start. As you go forward, paragraph breaks and section headers will help you organize material. Remember to rewrite that first sentence to bring it in line with Wikipedia's encyclopedic style. Think of your first paragraph more as a definition. And you will want to be careful with language like "exciting event," which may be considered a violation of Wikipedia's guidelines on neutral point of view. Have fun with Lexis-Nexis. It's awesome. Check out the note I left you last week (in the section below this one). If you follow that link, it will have good research suggestions, including Lexis Nexis. And remember: http://www.lib.umn.edu. 1013-josh 17:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am not quite to 1000 words, but I have about 850, so I'm working on the article a little before class tomorrow, but it may be a little shy for tomorrow. I'm also kind of confused about the footnotes. I have put quotes around the things I have quoted from the text, but I would like a little bit more refreshing on what to do w/footnotes. Ok, talk to you tomorrow! 1013-jessica 04:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Good work. I think you're ready to transfer over to the mainspace. I prepped your draft for the move -- adding images and categories from the stub article -- and tomorrow I'll help you copy it over. I also put in one sample footnote for you. You can find out more at the sample formatting page User:1013-josh/draft or catch me in class.1013-josh 07:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yay, Josh!!! I am more than happy to say I am finished with my article! Yes, I just got done and it's a little over 1500 words. I am satisfied with my final draft and I hope you have a great summer. Take care--Jessica! It is 1:20 A.M.! 1013-jessica 06:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Notes from Josh & the Class
Hey, I just posted some helpful research links; don't miss them! 1013-josh 21:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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