User:1013-whittney/archive

My Project
I am going to write about Fort Abraham Lincoln State Park. The park is located about seven miles south of Mandan, North Dakota. It site is home to The On-A-Slant Indian Village, which was abandoned before the military used the site. The fort became abandoned when the 7th Calvary went off to the Battle of the Little Bighorn. The site also consists of the five earthlodges, which are apart of the On-A-Slant village, The Custer house, and The Blockhouses.

My links are as follows:
 * Fort Abraham Lincoln
 * Earth lodge
 * Mandan Indians
 * Mandan, North Dakota
 * George Armstrong Custer

Model Articles:
 * Fort Snelling State Park
 * Fort Michilimackinac State Park
 * Yellow Bluff Fort Historic State Park
 * Fort Kearny
 * Fort Delaware


 * Thoughts from Josh. Whittney, this sounds like a good project. Are you sure you will be able to find enough material? Will you be able to find references other than the Fort Lincoln website? What sort of information will you cover? Remember, your final article needs to be 1500-2000 words of concise encyclopedic material. The homework assignment was to have two sets of lists. One was articles you plan to link to (I think that's what you have here.) The other was articles that can provide a good model for your research paper. Can you find other strong articles on similar sites? What sort of information have they included? If you have any questions about your project proposal, write me a note here, and write "QUESTION FOR JOSH" in the edit summary box when you hit the "save page" button. I'll stop by later to answer. 1013-josh 20:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

May be I can write about Fort Lincoln. Is there too much information already posted? Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by a model for my paper....just any article that is set up the way I will set mine up? Thanks


 * The Fort Lincoln stub is nearly 300 words, so it's a little on the long side. But I think that's okay. I'll expect a final article from you that falls on the middle-to-high end of the 1500-2000 word range. Does that sound like a good deal? Same questions apply. Will you be able to find information about Fort Lincoln from multiple, independent sources? And, yes, a model article is one that is set up like yours (for example, other state park articles or other fort articles). A good model will give you ideas about what to include and how to organize your material. See the archived homework instructions. 1013-josh 02:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * New project looks good. 1013-josh 03:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Workshop: Fort Abraham Lincoln
Workshop Guidelines

Hi Whittney, I'd like to nominate your article to be on the front page of Wikipedia at Did you know, but I'm waiting until you have a little more content. You don't quite meet the guidelines for "Did You Know" yet, which require that an article be a fivefold expansion of the existing stub. Since your stub was originally a long one, you're not quite there yet. Just wanted to let you know, because you'll probably see my nomination tags on your colleagues' pages. When you get a little farther along with the article, I'll add you to the nominations. 1013-josh 22:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a really interesting topic, and I'm glad you've taken it on. One of the things I always find strange about historical sites like this is how they tend to reduce large moments in history into museum set pieces. It's like, over in this corner, we have the Indian village, and in this corner we have General Custer's house. Very large historical forces are at work here, and sometimes I wonder if visitors to sites like this are really able to grapple with the history when it's represented in the form of reproductions of houses. I think one of the great services your article can do will be to expand on the history section at the top and to give us a more complete picture of the pre-European contact history of the land where the fort now sits, and to give us a fuller understanding of the fort's role within frontier military history. I was fascinated by this history and wanted to hear more about it. There are a lot of things right now that are being covered over by your summary. For example, we have the sentence, "The Mandan resettled, and in the 1870’s the area along the west banks of the Missouri, the same location where the Mandan tribe had established their village, an infantry post was built." Now that sounds like an interesting event, but your history doesn't really give me a sense of the violence and the displacement inherit in it. I was also interested in the role of the Civilian Conservation Corps in the site's history. What compelled them to build replicas of Mandan earth lodges there? You may not be able to find the answer to that question, but these are the things I wonder about. What histories are included and what histories are covered up when we build replica sites such as this? Now, of course, that's beyond the scope of your article. You're here to write an encyclopedia entry, not an essay about the appropriation of Native American historical sites by the United States government. But I would love to hear more about what else you've discovered about the early history of the site insofar as it fits within the scope of your article. You originally were going to write a whole article on On-A-Slant Village. Do you have more information on it? I think the other sections are coming along well. A few things: (a) Your first paragraph should be a definition, as explained at Lead section; (b) you'll want to format footnotes and references following my sample formatting page; and (c) you'll want to write the article so that it will still feel current several years from now. Information about the centennial activities should being, "In 2007, the fort celebrated..." etc. And you should probably remove the list of current events this summer, which don't rise to the level of being notable in an encyclopedia. See comments at Talk:Fort Abraham Lincoln for more on this point. I'd encourage you to get in touch with the Matthew or the other folks at WikiProject North Dakota for guidance on the article. You're off to a good start, Whittney. 1013-josh 07:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I visited the park last summer and the pictures in the article were from my afternoon there. If you have any specific questions about the physical aspects of the park, perhaps I can help out. The park is quite fascinating. Workers dress as they would have during Custer's time and, when giving tours, "expect" you to pretend that it actually is the days of Custer along with them. It's actually a little corny! --Matthew UND (talk) 08:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Whittney, you are writing your article on Fort Abraham Lincoln. You descirbe the history of the Fort, then move into various parts of the Fort including the indian village, custer house, and five nations house and finish up with a description of recreational activites of the area. Your opening paragraph could probably fit under a sub-title of history in the main body of the article. I like the overall tone of your article, it comes across as very encyclopedic and authoritative. I wonder about the events in 2007 part. I'm not sure if time based information such as this should be part of an encyclopedia entry, maybe it belongs in the external links section. Otherwise the last thing that your article really needs is the footnotes, which I'm sure you just haven't gotten around to yet. Anyways, good luck on the rest of your article. I hope this helps! 1013-Marty 20:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Whittney, Your article on Fort Lincoln is well-organized and well-written. I like the history you give about the Fort and how you describe all the parts and sections of the area. I feel like the introduction is a little lengthy and maybe could be shortened and then use the other information later in the article. I like that you included the recreation part and how it can be seen today as a tour. I feel that the list of the 2007 events don't really belong in the article. I like the flow of the article from section to section. You could maybe have the village and house sections as subsections under a section of "parts of Fort Lincoln" instead of giving them each a section. Also need are footnotes. I like the article overall and think you are progressing well. Nice work! 1013-Jeff 20:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Heylo Whittney. You have a detailed account on your article Fort Abraham Lincoln. The content is finely organized, and the "Events in 2007" is a great things to include, seeing how the place is also recreation. However, is it possible to find the information elsewhere and just include it as an external link or something? I don't think an encyclopedia would include and keep up with future events like this. I do feel a little iffy on the direction section. I felt like it could have gone after the intro sentence, or something like that. It feels kind of...pitiful near the end like that. And perhaps the custer house information could go somewhere inside the history section, before you start mentioning how the custer house was rebuilt right after talking about the fort. When I was reading through it, my mind immediately went, "Wait, did I missed something about the custer house?" because it was the first time it was introduced in the article (excluding the caption to the image). Otherwise, maybe you could insert that information under the custer house section. Other than that, great article. Very detail and concise, especially on the "History" and "On-a-slant Indian Village." 1013-Nqua 03:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Lead section
Hi, you might want to take a look at our section on what the lead section should be like: Lead section. The first sentence(s) should give the reader a very quick oversight of what the topic is, rather than going into historical detail right away (as you might do with an essay or a book). So you could do something like "Fort Abraham Lincoln is a state park in North Dakota, USA." It's a bit simplistic, but not all readers will want to read the article, some will be skimming the article to get a quick idea of what this concept is (for instance, after they've clicked on a link in another article). --JoanneB 18:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Participation: Whittney

 * I changed a few sentences and reworded some things in Jeff's article.
 * I added links in Nqua's article.
 * I rearranged a few sentences and removed links that don't have an article on them....but I guess that is ok since they were put right back in Marty's page!
 * Yep, that was me. See the history page for my edit summary. 1013-josh 20:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Homework
Hey Josh, I am finished with my final project!!! 1013-whittney 04:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I think I am done with the homework!! 1013-whittney 16:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If I'm not mistaken, this timestamp is from during class. In the future, please post your assignments before class (or after class before 2 pm). Thanks. 1013-josh 20:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. The Birds (film) 1013-whittney 02:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Good work. In the future, please be sure that you are signed into your account when you make your changes, so that I can what you do. I assume this is your edit, but I can't be sure. When you're logged in, only your IP address is recorded, not your user name. Remember to add a comment to the edit summary box to make it easier for other users to follow your changes. You may want to add the film page to your watchlist so you can see what becomes of your changes. 1013-josh 06:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I consent to the project! 1013-whittney 20:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, great! Let me know at any time if you change your mind and would like to switch to an off-line research assignment. 1013-josh 00:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. User:1013-whittney/draft 1013-whittney 00:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Content looking good so far. Remember that you will want to incorporate the existing information (text, images, links, section organization) from the Fort Abraham Lincoln stub, as appropriate. Regarding the bibliography, I think you're a little thin on sources. Have you found any print sources (books or newspaper articles) about the history of the site or current events there? Note that your external links didn't work. There are no vertical lines in external links, just title of link . Also, note that both of your internal links point to the same Wikipedia article. 1013-josh 15:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Done!!! 1013-whittney 01:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Good work. You look ready to transfer over to the mainspace. I prepped your draft for the move by adding a class template and categories from the stub article, and tomorrow I'll help you move it. 1013-josh 07:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Notes from Josh & the Class
Hey, I just posted some helpful research links; don't miss them! 1013-josh 21:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Notes from Wikipedians
Wikipedians, if you're commenting specifically about the Fort Abraham Lincoln article, feel free to chime in in the "Workshop" section above.