User:Adam Carr/Talk Archive7

''Adam with Yos Zeusovich Teper, 88, veteran of the Battle of Stalingrad and the fall of Berlin. (Melbourne 2003)''

please place comments at the foot of the page:

My understanding was that the ultimate decision was that people who are much better known by their non-peerage title should be at that, while any questionable case should be at the peerage title. Eden is certainly of the former - check out the links list, for instance - every single link goes to Anthony Eden. john 04:12, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, if there'd been general agreement that we should do that, I'd be all with it. But there was not, and I feel bound to respect the consensus that was arrived at. The consensus, as far as I'm aware, was "people who are really not best known by their peerage titles should not be listed under them". Anthony Eden (and Arthur Balfour, HH Asquith, David Lloyd George, Stanley Baldwin, Clement Attlee, and Harold Macmillan) are certainly better known without their peerage titles. So if the consensus arrived at is to mean anything, we should leave them, at least, at their common names. Beyond those seven, Robert Walpole, and Bertrand Russell, I'm pretty game for moving just about anybody else to a page with their peerage title in it. At any rate, given that the title is bolded at the beginning of the article, I don't see that information is being supressed. john 04:40, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

So tell me what is the correct procedure for reversing redirects between two articles, for people who don't have the power to delete articles? Adam 01:16, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * In this particular case, where the page with the peerage title was a redirect to the page without and there was no edit history apart from its creation for the former page, then there was no need to delete, the system will allow you to swap the pages moving the latter to the former. In the general case there are two options, either apply to become an admin because you want to have this ability on a permanent basis, or ask an admin to help you out. Mintguy (T)

On Talk:Malaysian general election, 2004 we're currently awaiting your response on the copyright of the now deleted image that used to be on Malaysian general election, 2004. --Johnleemk 13:15, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps you yourself would be less patronizing if you had a clue as to why I thought the article might be in need of help. Or perhaps not. - Nunh-huh

Thanks for quoting what I pointed out to you. - Nunh-huh 13:46, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Robert McClelland

Adam, seems there is an American politician by the name of Robert McClelland as well. Fairly notable actually, no article written as yet, but will probably be fairly long. I've started to gather info for it, but thought I'd ask your preferences for disambiguation. My proposal is to use Robert McClelland as a disambiguation page with links to Robert McClelland (Australian) and Robert McClelland (American). What do you think? Bkonrad | Talk 15:56, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

He was Governor and U.S. Representive from Michigan and Secretary of the Interior under Franklin Pierce. Also several other state and local positions. Bkonrad | Talk 16:12, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Andrew Bartlett I thought it helpful to clarify the gender of the Senator that Bartlett assaulted. I don't mean to sound sexist, but I do think that the idea of a man assaulting a woman, even if there is nothing sexual about the assault, is particularly repugnant to the public. I know that in absolute terms it makes no difference whether the victim is male or female, but according to public perception, I doubt that the event would have generated quite the same degree of public outrage had the accosted Senator been male. Davidcannon 01:07, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for replying on my talk page. Yes, I agree, naming her would be a simple and effective solution. Davidcannon 08:46, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Viscount Dunrossil All Peerage titles, when they are created, have to derive from one or more parts of the Queen's realm, given after the title. Have a look at the London Gazette website (search for 'Barony') to see some contemporary examples. Lord Gowrie, ex Gov-Gen, was created 'Baron Gowrie, of Canberrra, Australia, and of Dirleton, county East Lothian' on 20th December 1935. However the placename is not part of the title and he was known as 'Lord Gowrie'. William Shepherd Morrison was created, on 12th November 1959, 'Viscount Dunrossil, of Vallaquie in the Isle of North Uist and County of Inverness'.

Some peers want to take the same title as other peers, which is not allowed. So in this case they add an additional placename within their title to tell them apart. This may or may not be the same as the placename after the peerage title. Hence, when Janet Young was given a peerage by Edward Heath, she was created (on 24th May 1971) 'Baroness Young, of Farnworth in the county of Lancashire'. This meant that Michael Young, who took his peerage on 20th March 1978, had to be 'Baron Young of Dartington, of Dartington in the County of Devon'. Former Prime Minister Alec Douglas-Home became 'Baron Home of the Hirsel, of Coldstream in Berwickshire'. Roy Jenkins became 'Lord Jenkins of Hillhead, of Pontypool in the County of Gwent'.

It seems the Viscount himself did not understand this custom as his entry in 'Dod's Parliamentary Companion' for 1960 has him as using it. One can hardly expect the Commonwealth Parliamentary Handbook to know better, but anything after the comma is not used in a peerage title. If you check other lists of the peerage you will not find it used.

I suggest a compromise: start the article "William Shepherd Morrison, 1st Viscount Dunrossil of Vallaquie" etc., and then in the text say "he was made a Viscount, taking the title Viscount Dunrossil, of Vallaquie. Although not part of his formal peerage title, he customarily included the reference to Vallaquie, a small Hebridean island where his parents were born."

Incidentally he was a complete idiot. In one of his more memorable rulings as Speaker, he said that the House of Commons could not debate the exercise of the Home Secretary's right to ask the Queen to commute death sentences, as it was sub judice, but could debate it after someone had been hanged. Dbiv 10:10, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The Queen Mother Dr Carr, as long as the policy exists, we will have to be content with "Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon." I would note that that same unfortunate policy would require titles like "Lord" and "Lady" to be included, as in Lord Alfred Douglas. Therefore, we should "logically" move the page to "Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon." Perhaps doing so would demonstrate the folly of the policy. "Elizabeth, Queen Mother" would be the most common name, but it is incorrect, so I am not sure as to how to advise you regarding what the appropriate title would be. -- Emsworth 15:38, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)

Greek-Turkish relations

Thanks for fixing all that up. I couldn't be bothered participating in edit wars with the likes of Jor, so I just threw a POV flag at the header. I suppose it's as neutral as it's going to get now. Pavlvsrex

User:Zw

I know it's a bit too late to request for your help now, but I can never be sure; Zw is CRAZY! Zw's been trying to get me to climb the walls and hang onto the ceiling fan while Zw throws monkey shit at me. If only Zw left me alone the first time, things probably would have loosened up. See Zw's list of contribs first, to see what I mean about the way he is towards me, please. Thank you, Adam. Kenneth Alansson 15:40, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * To which I replied at Kenneth's Talk page: Kenneth, re your comment on my Talk page, I haven't been involved in of the disputes you have been having with Zw, and I'm not sure I want to get drawn into them. From what I have seen of your attacks on various people as reported at Requests for comment/Kenneth Alan, however, I am not surprised you are having trouble. The only one of your disputes I am aware of is the one at Yiddish, where you were factually wrong (Yiddish is a Germanic language) and behaved very badly when this was pointed out. Adam 21:44, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

May I please delete this section and remove myself from your affairs? Kenneth Alansson 22:43, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Absolutely. Count me in. A pox on both their houses. Tannin

Eighteenth century is hardly medieval, but thanks for reconsideration. Space Cadet 15:26, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"please stop editing text that you clearly don't understand"

Your offensive remarks are unsuitable for any meaningful exchange of thoughts, but the last thing we lose is hope:

Compare with ANY compilation of historical maps of Poland and Prussia, and you'll see that West Prussia wasn't renamed to the Polish Corridor. Nor were there any area corresponding to the Polish Corridor in pre-1772 Poland, nor was it the effect of any other of the many wars in the area. Large parts of West Prussia were, but no identificable sub-territory of West Prussia. Although the created Corridor corresponds slightly better with a combination of earlier borders and the borders of "ethnicities" as drawn up by German authorities, it is still no close match. The borders of 1919 were, in the area of the Polish Corridor, drawn up ad hoc by the Peace Conference, and your idea that the Peace Conference somehow first should have created a new Poland and then transferred the Corridor to this creation might be correct in some strange technical understanding of the Conference's inner workings, but it does not correspond with the realities on the ground. Such a notion could have been valid for the plebecite areas, but hardly for the Corridor.

What's your goal? Will you tell all people who have other sources than you that they understand nothing? When will you realize that your conduct is a dishonor for yourself?

/M.L.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Adam 02:59, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Adam. I noticed you uploaded the image Image:Ac.deannekelly.jpg. This seems to be the mirror image of De-Anne Kelly's homepage. Since you didnt add copyright information to your upload, I was wondering if the image is copyrighted. Could you clarify the copyright info or source on the image page? Thanks a lot. -- chris_73 14:15, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You may be interested in newly created South Korean parliamentary election, 2004 article. --Jiang 23:51, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Adam. As you are going through a Greek phase, could you have a look at Greek? It looks to my uneducated eyes as if the classification of various stages in Greek history used there is different from that used in your history of Greece series. The links don't really go to useful places, which makes disambiguating difficult. I think perhaps Paideia should be removed (it doesn't seem relevant to me) and the list under ancient Greece should be changed to reflect the history of Greece series. Hellenic civilization is now a redirect, so that should go too I think - but I'm not really sure how best to fix this, and you seem like the best person to ask for advice. What do you think? -- sannse (talk) 09:36, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * I have updated Greek, confining myself to articles which have "Greece" or "Greek" in their titles. Adam 11:20, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks Adam, that's better -- sannse (talk) 19:18, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, I just wanted to let you know that I'm a huge fan. I have been doing research, just for pleasure, into the status of the reserved powers of the British monarchy, and many times I have found myself very pleased by a Wikipedia article. In more than one case (though the one I have in mind is Sir John Kerr), it turned out that the bulk of the article was written by you. Jimbo Wales 22:28, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I moved Roman Colosseum to Colosseum, which just leaves a few double-redirects to be fixed. I'll also see if I can add some more to Roman Greece...I need to study that anyway, since I have an exam about it on Wednesday :) Adam Bishop 14:42, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I have put some opinions to Talk:Greco-Turkish relations, your comments would be appreciated. Ato

South African interested in politics
I saw your question over on the village pump. You might want to get in touch with User:Wikiwizzy. He and I wrote the Battle of Isandlwana article together. &rarr;Raul654 05:10, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

I am british, but have lived in South Africa for 6 years or so - and can give you all the poop on the Elections :-) A synopsis is that the ANC polled the most in all provinces, only two they did not get a majority, KZN and Western Cape. In the Western Cape they will be in coalition with the NNP, a fading star of the Apartheid era, and KZN is a problem. The ANC could govern with almost anyone as a partner, but it is asking for trouble to not have the IFP involved. The IFP are fed up with the ANC, did (in their mind) disastrously at the polls, and if they scraped all other parties together could just hang in and govern there. The only sensible course is for the IFP and ANC to govern in coalition again, but it was a rocky road last time, and will be rockier again this time. Wizzy 06:48, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I will see if I can find the results. the IEC page is hopeless, but at the bottom of http://www.elections.org.za/elections2004_static.asp there are votes and percentages, but not seat counts. Wizzy 07:49, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

http://www.anc.org.za/elections/2004/results-f.html has a better breakdown of percentages and seats. The Provincial results, linked from that page, are a bit spotty, but seem better than elections.org.za. Wizzy 10:09, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dr. Carr, I have placed a plea for more courtesy on a talk page you recently visited. --Uncle Ed 13:09, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This 'graph replaces approximately 1300 words edited in by Jerzy(t). The matter previously discussed partly here and partly on User talk:Jerzy now appears, refactored into chronological order and reformatted for clarity, at User talk:Jerzy. It should eventually be moved into an archive, with the move documented at User talk:Jerzy

Adam, it sounded like you'd be happier to have yr talk page decluttered of the material i have replaced with these three 'graphs. If i'm wrong, read User talk:Jerzy for suggestions.

If you are interested in my 186-word response (118 if you ignore the parenthentic portion) to your last msg, link to User talk:Jerzy --Jerzy(t) 21:36, 2004 Apr 22 (UTC)

Don't know if you have read it at the village pump, just in case, I found this link about the russian transliteration (more of a discussion than policy).

If you made Image:Ac.russiamap.jpg, do you suppose you could upload a PNG version? For a non-photographic picture like that, a PNG would almost certainly have a smaller file size, and it wouldn't suffer from any compression artifacts. &mdash;Bkell 09:09, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * If you made it in Paint, you didn't happen to save it as a bitmap (.bmp) in addition to saving it as a JPEG, did you? JPEG compression works by actually introducing "fuzz" into the image to make it more easily compressible; the higher the JPEG compression, the more "fuzz" in the image. Bitmaps, GIFs, and PNGs don't do this. They save the image exactly as it was created. (Bitmaps don't usually perform any compression, though, so the files are pretty big, and GIFs have a maximum of only 256 colors and are surrounded by cloudy patent issues.) For this reason, PNGs are preferable for things like maps and flags and diagrams, where fuzz is especially noticeable, especially around the edges of text. JPEGs work fine for photographs, which are what JPEG was designed for, because they're full of nuances like shadows and blurriness that tend to hide the fuzz.


 * Converting a JPEG to a PNG doesn't help things, because the fuzz will still be there. If you saved a copy of your original map as a bitmap, then that can be easily converted to a PNG. Newer versions of Paint have the capability to save as PNG. You could also download a free image program called IrfanView to save it as a PNG, or e-mail it to me at abodeman@yahoo.com and I'll convert it.


 * On a side note, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition, lists procrastinate as being both transitive and intransitive. :) &mdash;Bkell 09:36, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Ah, never mind. I just went back to the image and marveled at how little fuzz I could see. Even after magnifying the image several times, the pixels looked crisp and clear. I was very much amazed at this. Then I realized that the image is actually a GIF that was just renamed to .jpg. So good job&mdash;you chose a nice lossless image format. :) I'll go ahead and convert it to a PNG and re-upload it. (Nice artwork, by the way. You must be far more adept in Paint than I am.) &mdash;Bkell 09:44, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This is interesting: Everything I can find on the Internet lists transitive senses for procrastinate as well as intransitive ones. Is there a nice free British dictionary online? And how would you reword that sentence? &mdash;Bkell 17:39, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

(joke) See page 3 of. Adam is running for the European Parliament as an independent! I am not surprised. --Kaihsu 10:53, 2004 Apr 22 (UTC)

It's all part of my plan to rule the world. And when I do, a few people here had better watch out. Adam 13:05, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

South African 2004 general election national assembly votes, by province and party - Jeandré, 2004-04-22t21:53z

Photos of Australian MPs

Hi. Regarding Photos of Australian MPs - Any photo taken from a website must either be explicitely released on the website or you must contact the website for permission. The site for the photos listed on Copyright problems had no such release or permission. And no evidence of permission was included with the image. You can email Jim.Lloyd.MP@aph.gov.au or secretariat@nsw.liberal.org.au to gain permission and then reupload the image. - T&#949;x &#964; ur&#949; 03:47, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Barnstar

Once again, the main page is featuring an article that you played a large part in writing. For your consistent, high quality contributions to Wikipedia, I award you this barnstar. &rarr;Raul654 06:06, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

Margrethe II of Denmark (Thorhildur/orhildur)

Hi, I noticed you changed Queen Margrethe's middlename to the transliterated spelling. Is this the Wikipedia standard? Her name is orhildur. I made the original change after verifying that we used the native spelling in the Icelandic prime ministers (eg. Daví Oddsson). Rasmus (talk) 13:18, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Beria and Katyn The numbers are easily to recognize on the order document: http://katyn.codis.ru/fpolburo.htm even if you don't speak Russian. The order is about 14 700 POW and 11 000 other people. 14 700 were murdered in 3 sites and those 11 000 nobody knows where. By the way, you should already be more cautious touching Polish issues. Cautious 14:50, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Don't be silly. Historian that using perfect English makes factual errors is not to be appraised. As I told you many times, take a look at source documents, before writing any article. Cautious 15:07, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) I like the thing that you hate me. You must feel the pain as Poles did in 1944. This pain is a good lesson for you. Exactly this is the feeling that remind you that your nation made something terrible to other nation and you are trying to cover the truth with the accusation towards victim. Feel pain, more pain... Cautious 15:25, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, newly appreciative of your Election Archive, I wonder if you can find stats on Zimbabwe, 1980 ? Wizzy 15:26, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

You were looking for someone who reads Korean... Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll see if I can help. --Iceager 02:30, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Adam, I see you have the figures up to the provincial level. I'll try to translate for the constituencies in Seoul first, and see how much I can get done. --Iceager 22:42, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

And I shall be the first to congratulate you on finishing the Australian House of Representatives. Thank you. Isomorphic 07:43, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Kim Il-sung

It's all too absurd to get into an argument about. I just saw a documentary tonight in which they said "Kim-il sung has been embalmed in the constitution as eternal president". :)AndyL 08:02, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Anyway, I don't know how well informed you are on North Korea but I've been looking for someone to take a look at what I've written in the Korean Workers Party article. Any feedback would be appreciated. Incidentally, the author of "From Stalin to Kim Il-sung: The Formation of North Korea 1945-1960" (the excellent source book I used) is an academic who now lives in Australia. His name is Andrei Lankov. AndyL 08:05, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Marshal of the Soviet Union

In this article you write "It was succeeded by the rank of Marshal of the Russian Federation, which has been held by only one person. " Any idea who that one person is? AndyL 08:11, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

I'll leave the Marshalling to you since I know nothing about him. I was quite surprised by the Beria information myself since it contradicted things I'd read earlier (particularly Medvedev) but it's from Amy Knight's 1993 biography "Beria: Stalin's First Lieutenant" which is based on declassified documents. Its quite a fascinating read, I highly recomend it and as far as I can tell the book has been widely accepted as authoritative and no one seems to be disputing her findings. AndyL 08:42, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Knight also felt that Beria's "liberalism" was tactical (it would be difficult to conclude otherwise). I thought her comments on the role of the 1953 German rising on sealing Beria's fate was quite insightful (she argued that it shook the confidence that Malenkov and Molotov had in Beria and caused hem to back Khrushchev's putsch against him). AndyL 08:56, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Howdy - just a note to let you know how impressed I've been with your work. Taking a recent example, Homomonument is concise, complete, and has excellent accompanying images - everything an encyclopedia should be. TB 09:43, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Fascism

Could you please weigh in at Talk:Fascism? WHEELER seems to think I'm the only one against his suggestions. AndyL 07:29, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Could you look at Kemal Atatürk - someone with a not quite fluent grasp of English has tried to edit it and i have no idea how to fix it. PMA 17:35, May 7, 2004 (UTC)

Polish camps in India
Could you please clarify what you mean by the phrase wrt Polish camp in India "referring to it here makes no sense in the context of the article. encyclopaedia articles are not just collections of facts" ?

Instead of omitting it completely I think you shoud have created a new page for it. I wouldn't say its out of context due to the fact that an important office of the government was set up in Bombay, which was one of the only few places where the Poles could operate in relative freedom from the Axis. Regards Nichalp 18:43, May 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * Not really, at that time Poland had some thirty embassies and almost a hundred of consulates worldwide. In the Soviet Union itself there were at least 15 consulates operating... It's not one out of three, it's one out of hundred... Halibutt 19:26, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

A paragraph about the diplomatic representation maintained by the goverment in exile would certainly be relevant. A reference to one consulate and one refugee camp is not appropriate in the context of the article. Adam 08:37, 8 May 2004 (UTC)


 * I think that Indians and Poles should not forget the close ties between the two countries. Valdivade was one such camp where the Poles resided. Unfortunately today, nobody in both nations know that such a camp existed along with another one in Gujarat. I will, of course go ahead with editing Valdivade & the consulate, (so that its not relegated to forgotten history anymore) but I'll link it to the govt in exile page. I hope this satisfies everybody? [I'll do this in June - exams now]. Regards Nichalp 20:17, May 8, 2004 (UTC)

Indian elections/boring/duration too long/same o'le candidates/no clear winner expected/result=stock markets crashing.

PS I think India deserved to win the 3rd cricket test against Australia ;) Will atone for it in September. :)

Lazar Kaganovich - someone's added an anti-Robert Conquest spin. PMA 21:32, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

Adam, I did enjoy watching the Ashley Sampi mark-of-the-year, although he did have a bit of help by a push-in-the-backside by a Demons player. *sigh* It seems all the decent, popular teams are struggling and the others are shining (e.g. the Dockers). - Mark 03:21, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Would I imply that? ;) I was really referring to the Saints (not decent), the Dockers (not popular), and the Eagles (decent) and Collingwood (popular). - Mark 03:46, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I read somewhere that Collingwood had by far the largest number of members out of all the AFL teams. But every time I think of Collingwood, I think of Eddie Maguire. Ugh. Collingwood is definitely not popular with me. And they've got that deserter Mick Malthouse. *grumbles* - Mark 03:59, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm sick of Eddie. They got him back to do the Logies this year because he's a "brilliant presenter", but that's a load of bull. He's boring. They should bring back Shaun Micallef and leave Eddie off our screens for 12 months so the overexposure can wear off. I mean, Eddie is trying to style himself as "Mr Television" - but to tell the truth I'd even rather have Bert Newton or Jamie Durie. We've all tested our IQs (twice - though some of us know our IQs aren't supposed to change, and if they do then the two IQ tests were not weighted the same), and even tested our driving skills (which was unfair - one of those questions in there was for a yellow sign with a traffic light- we do not have those signs in Western Australia). Now it's time for Eddie to go back to just hosting the Footy Show, shunted off into the late hours of the night so we can safely watch Channel Nine again. - Mark 04:44, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I've only lived in the US for three of the past forty years. The country is still a mystery to me. However, I will try to get back to those Congress people over the weekend. Danny 23:51, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Born in the US (South Carolina). Moved to Canada in 1964, aged 8 months. Moved to Israel at 17. Moved back to New York at 38. At 40, I am contemplating my next move. Danny 23:59, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. I squirm when I think of some of the things I did in the army. Frightened people in a sudden position of power over a perceived enemy is a very dangerous combination. Danny 00:38, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Hey Adam, need any help on Byzantine art? My Byzantine history professor studied Byzantine art (and gardens, interestingly), although I never took his specific Byzantine art class...still, I'm sure I have some info I could add somewhere. There is also a Byzantine architecture article you might want to steal from. Adam Bishop 01:33, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Re: Queen of Australia.

Read HM's speech on the Canadian government website which specifically mentions the point. The first time this happened in 1959, it was decided that the return dinner for the President of the United States would be held at the Canadian, not the British, embassy. It has become traditional for the Queen to incorporate visits to the United States into some of her longer Canadian tours. I seem to recall the last time the Queen was accompanied to the land border accompanied by a mounted guard of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, with full dress and cavalry lances etc., and flew her Canadian royal standard throughout the visit. It is in my opinion a opportunity for Canada to show off in the United States, and probably the only time when a Canadian official visit gets media coverage in their larger neighbour. Andrew Yong 13:21, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Re: Sino-Soviet split:

I disagree with your appraisal of the aftermath section here. It is a tidy and appropriate close to the delineation of the split. As you agree by its inclusion, you think it appropriate to indicate that Russia and China ultimately resolve the dispute. Yet, this statement should be as historically supported as the previous information in the article. The aftermath may need reducing, but certainly not this elimination. If you consider the information incorrect, please indicate that. Centrx 01:54, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

I put in a new conclusion that I think is more appropriate. At the very least, it is a succinct version of what is pragmatically necessary to conclude. From the article, one might even expect that relations would remain the same, or that China would become more hostile to the new capitalism on its doorstep. Centrx 02:43, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - Kemal Atatürk really does need work. also i noted that someone added an anti-Robert Conquest spin to Lazar Kaganovich. PMA 03:39, May 17, 2004 (UTC)