User:Ajgorhoe/Discussion

Please don't edit this page. You can place your related comment and discussions on the related talk page located at User talk:Ajgorhoe/Discussion, or you can leave general comments on my regular talk page. My personal notes related to this page are here. This page serves for preparation of material for starting future articles and sections.

= Interesting Links =

= Thought About Wikipedia Development = See also this Section of my notes. Wikipedia is a great project and is one of the best demonstrations of the power of internet. I'm amazed and enraptured with what this collaborative project has created over time. Without dramatizing, the success of this project gives me some hope that humans are not just a blind branch of evolution, a species of mostly harmful creatures with highly developed brain but unable to build a civilized and progressive society on top of this biological basis.

Resources for Help

 * Users
 * Admins
 * User:SoWhy - works seriously on requests for page protection and pages for speedy deletion. Relisted NeuronDotNet in discussion for deletion.

Links - Wikipedia Development & Deletionism

 * Essays: place for expression of opinions and comments on Wikipedia (unofficial). Examples: Ping pong, User:Jehochman/Responding_to_rudeness.
 * WikiProject_Essays
 * Deletionism on Wikimedia.
 * Deletionpedia - "radical inclusionist" wiki for rescuing articles from Wikipedia's deletionism.
 * Decline of Wikipedia:
 * Tom Simonite: The Decline of Wikipedia, published in MIT Technology Review
 * See also Wikipedia Statistics (Charts)
 * Hossein Derakhshan on Wired: How Social Media Engangers Knowledge (archived link) - a very good article - opinion about how decline of Wikipedia is related to general shifts in the society - from desire for knowledge to emotional and visual interactions, which author relates to rise of social media like Facebook, and compare it with similar phenomena when TV has appeared. Also warns points at e.g. how some most popular pages on Wikipedia are about TV series. Very deep historical insights and comparison with historical events such as Enlightenment, Arabic scientific bloom, appearing of first encyclopedias before French revolution and secularism...
 * See also: Andrew Lih: Can Wikipedia Survive? (archive link) from 2015, also talks about reasons for decline of Wikipedia, tells how sometimes 50 admins per month were promoted and now it's merely a couple, how elitist groups are formed among admins, etc.
 * See also this article on trends (old!): Editor Trends Study
 * Page View statistics links on Wikimedia
 * Why Wikipedia is not so great


 * Timothy Noah: I'm Being Wiki-Whacked - Članke problematizira notability in to zelo dobro argumentira - predvsem je pomemben zadnjji odstavek. Članek bazira na svoji osebni izkušnji, ko so izbrisali njegovo biografijo iz Wikipedije.

Praise

 * Why Wikipedia is so great
 * Replies to common objections
 * Wikipedia is succeeding

Criticism:

 * Criticism of Wikipedia - formal, regular Wiki article
 * Why Wikipedia is not so great
 * Wikipedia_is_failing
 * Section The strength and size of the core community speaks also of problem of falling number of contributors
 * Important to check: Expert rebellion
 * See also: Expert retention and maybe Anti-elitism

Why Good Editors are Discouraged

 * Interesting starting point on Piotrus talk pages "Morsels of wikiwisdom" (this is user who proposed deletion of a series of articles I was also involved in, in 2017):
 * Esay Section of user Piotrus; Check out also some other sections on this page, many are quite interesting starting points for research and debate.
 * Related discussion - contains some very educational views, e.g. of user Georgejdorner.
 * See talk page of user Georgejdorner for Good examples of repelling editors by community behavior. See e.g. introduction on this user's talk page.


 * Surweys of Wikimedia Foundation:
 * Remark: these are not of too good values. The first one concentrated on new editor (also those with 10 edits or so). Page claims that another survey is aimed at experienced contributors, but links to a survey of former administrators, which is comething completely else.
 * Former Contributors Survey Results
 * Former administrators survey

Examples

 * Story of user Georgejdorner on discussion page (follow link) of user Piotrus essays page about why good editors leave Wikipedia - showcases how editors' knowledge and writing skills (potential to contribute in general) can easily be put in second plan by community behavior
 * Check user's talk page for further instructie examples.

= .NET and Open Source = .NET and Microsoft have undergone significant change with release of .NET Core to open source. This brings new optimism for NET to become a cross platform framework ideal to support larger cross-platform projects on a single code base and supported by compatible tool chains.

However, there are also many concerns. It seems that cross-platform support for client side (especially GUI-based) development will not improve significantly in the near future. There are some indications that Microsoft is able to benefit from the new open source community that will form around .NET due to its last moves (especially from substantial code contributions, bug fixes, developers' feedback and so on), but is not yet enough ready to support the community back and to listen to its suggestions.

For example, new ASP.NET (previously vNext, now ASP.NET Core 1.0) release was substantially delayed (it should be available by the end of 2015, but in April 2016 there is only a Release candidate). This may well be becaouse of problems with synchronization with users' community (especially the open source, which have a large potential to contribute, especially to get more cross-platform .NET). One thing that got complicated is that MS wanted to introduce new project definition scheme (based on JSON), but this was not what community wanted. MS way would focus more on building ASP.NET applications on .NET Core while the community requested compatibility with fully featured .NET such that that the full .NET framework could be easily used.

It seems also that MS is not so much willing to support the community, especially package development. This showed, for example, when there were plans to create a server side image manipulation library: A lot of open source developers were involved in the discussion. Such library would be very important for the success of ASP.NET because other server-side technologies (lke PHP) have support for this. At the end, it became apparent that there are several obstacles for the open source developers to efficiently contribute to such a library. See this post for a very good picture about what was going on:
 * Proposal for Cross-plat Server-side Image Manipulation Library
 * Plans to replace HttpModule with an OWIN component?

It was stressed here by user nathanaeljones that the basic obstacle here is how native libraries can be handled with tools like NuGet. For image manipulation, native code would be crucial for performance reasons.