User:Ali Soltani/Old discussions

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Iranian Weapon Systems
I don't know why User:L0b0t keeps deleting the good content you contribute rather than just editing it to make it better, but I'll try to help as much as I can. I appreciate what you've done to gather and post information about these weapon systems, as long as it's not in violation of copyright. Un focused  07:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

A question regarding the Persian Gulf name dispute
Thank you for your message. I agree we should aim at the best solution. What is the best solution? In my opinion it is not to present one side in the dispute as being more "acceptable" than the other side.

Currently the article presents information in a distorted way, is unduly selective in the information presented, and is very much about presenting one side as right and the other as wrong: it is a blatant attempt to bolster the Iranian side in the dispute. We have articles on the Sea of Japan naming dispute and the British Isles naming dispute. Does Wikipedia take a position in these disputes concerning which side is more acceptable and which is less acceptable? No, all we do is report on what others have written about it.

Of course a few 17th century maps will not "justify" calling any geographical feature by any name. To think so would be silly. But we as Wikipedians do not need to have arguments ourselves why it should be called this or that. All we need to do is report on the arguments used by others. If these are silly arguments, that is not our problem.

It is not up to us as Wikipedia editors to judge what is "more likely". Let historians and other experts write about it, and we can report on what they find.

You may be right in suspecting that there is no justifiable "other point of view". I myself wrote this about it, in response to a request to have "the Arab POV" presented in the article:
 * There is no such thing as "the" Arab point of view. There is a whole generation of Arabs who don't know any better: it is the name they were taught in school, and which they read in their newspapers and hear on television. They may be completely unaware of the existence of a dispute. And there are Arab nationalists who want to see the name "Persian Gulf" wiped from the map(s), also internationally. In summary, their argument is this: We hate the name "Persian Gulf". We love the name "Arabian Gulf". Therefore this body of water must be named "Arabian Gulf". Is this not obvious from the present article? Must this be spelled out more explicitly, and what would be gained by that? If there is a more "neutral" representation of this nationalist point of view (I've never encountered one), let those who adhere to it add it to the article.

However, unlike you, I do not see this as a problem. All we need to do is report on what others have written about it. If no-one has written about it, we don't report on what they haven't written.

Also unlike you, I think there is no "truth" in the matter. On almost all old maps the Islamic Republic of Iran is called Persia. Does this make Persia the "true name"? Honestly, I don't even know what that question might be supposed to mean, let alone that I could answer yes or no. But what you and I and other editors think about this, is – or should be – irrelevant. Wikipedia should not be used as an instrument in a dispute between people who each have their own irreconcilable "truths". If everyone simply adheres to the Wikipedia policies there need be no conflict. Unfortunately, a majority of the editors watching the page appear not to understand the Wikipedia principles and think that the article should present the case for the true name. As long as they foster this misunderstanding, the conflict cannot be resolved. --Lambiam Talk 10:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Two Articles in need of your attention
There are two entries at Wikipedia, which have falsely created -- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:
 * The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture (Persian, Kurdish, Azari, Baluchi, Tajik, Luri, Gilaki, Talishi, Mazandarani, etc.), and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.

Any contributions would greatly appreciated. Bā Sepās Surena 02:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

(If you have time) Please vote in the survey on this proposed move
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Valiyat-e_faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29#Survey

Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini)

--Leroy65X 15:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

(If you have time) please vote in another survey on another proposed move
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Valiyat-e_faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29#New_Vote:_Should_title_be_in_Persian_or_English_Translation.3F

from Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → to either

Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini)

or

Islamic government: guardianship of the jurist (book by Khomeini)

Thanx again, --Leroy65X 17:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Iranian Military Industry
Hello! I believe we should seek a sockpuppet check from an Admin on user "K1ng l0v3". His behavior appears to being trolling in nature. Padishah5000 07:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ali, I need a response ASAP, if we are to take action that will expose this user as a sockpuppet. Padishah5000 20:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ali. I am going to see if I can't get a "checkuser" on this guy. If you don't mind, I might need your input on the matter in the short term. I'll drop you a line shortly. Padishah5000 05:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, "K1ng l0v3" seems to have violated Wiki policy on more than one account. He has violated 3RR, he blanked his user discussion page, and he appears to use sockpuppets. Padishah5000 05:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sir, I have no interest whatsoever in participating in the paranoid imaginings of you and your pal padishah5000. For the last time, Iran CLAIMS to manufacture these items. If Iran does not claim to manufacture them, then who does claim to manufacture them? You seem to be trying to impart some malice or POV to the word "claim", I'll just have to assume good faith and credit your misunderstanding to the fact that English is not your first language. In English the words "says" and "claims" are synonyms (they mean the same thing.) Therefore "claims is the proper way to phrase it in English.  If you are dead-set against the word "claims" then start an RFC on the articles talk page.  Stalking, harassing, and making baseless threats and accusations about other editors is rude and unacceptable.  Have a good day. K1ng l0v3 01:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The use of the term "claims" in such a context, is a word that reflects a non-NPOV. If you feel that certain products listed as made in Iran lack proof or citation, you are free to highlight those specific items. You do not have the right to opionionate the entire article with terminology that hints at questionable speculation and suggests outright fallacy. You also are quoted as calling it "Persian wishful thinking" in the articles history of changes. That, alone shows that your intent is anything but honest, and actually smacks of racist bigotry. Padishah5000 05:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Incivility and personal attacks
In this edit you described an editor as "an ignorant bigot who still believes in confederation and probably even defends slavery". That is not only a wholly unsupported conclusion to draw from the fact that an editor edits Flags of the Confederate States of America, but a personal attack that does not belong on Wikipedia. In this edit you similarly called another editor an idiot. You have made further personal attacks here, here, here ("suck in English"), and here ("childish"). Please address other editors in a civil manner and make no more personal attacks. Failing to do so will take you down a road the end of which will be the revocation of your editing privileges. Please further note that any claims that another editor is the cause of this will not be accepted as mitigation. You are perfectly capable of responding to edit wars without personal attacks, guesses at editors' motivations, and name-calling. Uncle G 17:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks
 * Civility

List_of_military_equipment_manufactured_in_Iran
Greetings. I've taken the liberty of starting List_of_military_equipment_manufactured_in_Iran the spinoff list from the Iranian military industry article. Nothing much, just copied the opening from Current_Equipment_of_the_Iranian_Army to get started. Please stop by and help, I look forward to mutual collaberation and I apologize for my stubborn recalcitrance earlier. Have a good day. K1ng l0v3 21:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Survey vote request
Please vote in survey over whether to include text in History of the the Islamic Republic of Iran

Text and dispute is at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran&diff=274961453&oldid=274952179

Arguements
found in edit summary and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#Deletion_by_KneeJuan

Thank you --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)