User:Alyssa-Burley/sandbox

Memorials' is not a typical heading. 'Legacy' would be better.'''J.R. Council (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC) Assignment #4
 * 1) One problem with the article I noticed besides there not being an image of her, is the overall lack of information, and what little information there is seems to be poorly organized. Also an image of the memorial dedicated to her at Wellesly would be a great addition.
 * 2) I did find a book about the History of Psychology which mentions some of Gamble's research. History of Psychology: Globalization, Ideas, and Application by RB Lawson, JB Graham, and KM Baker.  Our own textbook also had a good bit of info on her. Other than that, I agree that it's actually rather difficult to find information on her that isn't just papers she wrote.
 * 3) I agree with Alyssa on looking for a cause of death, if we could find one.  I also wonder if the heading MEMORIALS is necessary.  Wouldn't it be easier to just simply put that piece of information under personal life, or even add a heading about her legacy where we talk about her research (and what it meant for the future of psychology), her progressing of women's rights in education, and the memorial at Wellesly? Triscuitchan (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) One problem with the article - I think her work and its significance should be detailed further so we have a better idea of why she was important enough to get a wikipedia page. We could also describe her work in a synopsis of some sort.
 * 2) I work 5pm-6am tonight so I'll put up my sources tomorrow when I get off tomorrow morning. I got called in so I wasn't expecting to not have time to finish this assignment this afternoon/evening.
 * 3) Ruckmick, C. A. (1934) Eleanor Acheson McCullough Gamble The American Journal of Psychology, Vol 46, No. 1 (154-156)
 * 4) Proctor, R. W. & Evans, R. (2014) E. B. Titchener, Women Psychologists, and the Experimentalists The American Journal of Psychology, Vol. 127, No. 4 (501-526)
 * 5) Do you think it's appropriate to summarize her work as part of her wikipedia article or should we keep it to a synopsis of her personal life?

You should include both professional contributions and personal life.

Also, I'm not sure how she died, I can't seem to find it anywhere. Do you think we should look for her obituary? Is that even possible to find since she died in 1933?

'''You should be able to find an obituary somewhere. Did you try a Google search?''' J.R. Council (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Alyssa-Burley (talk) 22:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

1. There were several things I noticed that I would consider problems with the article, but what bothered me the most was where it listed the organizations she was a member of, and only that, no mention of when she became a member or how long she was a member, whether she held any positions.

2. Greenwood, J. D. (2015). A conceptual history of psychology: exploring the tangled web. page 258. I am having a hard time finding any more articles about Gamble, only articles published by her.

3. Since she attended and taught at several schools, would it be too much to give each school its own heading, should enough information be found on each?

'''It's fine to do subsections with appropriate levels of headings. I think a sub sub heading would be good for a place where she worked.'''

Since there was only the one notation under memorials, could the information be put somewhere else in the article and the memorials heading taken out?

See above comment to Trista. J.R. Council (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Katester06 (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

1. The biggest problem I noticed with this article is that the facts aren't very clear or concise, especially in the beginning couple of paragraphs which are meant to capture most of who she is, which also needs a lot of work.

2. Fancher, R. E., & Rutherford, A. (2017). Pioneers of psychology. New York, NY: W.W. Norton & Company, Inc.

Gamble, E. A. M. (1898). The applicability of weber's law to smell. The American Journal of Psychology, 10(1), 82-142. doi:10.2307/1412679

3. It was noted that she has vision problems that only got worse with age, but how exactly did she die?

'''If you can find an obituary, that should list cause of death. Google search.'''

When looking for articles, I saw a lot that came up with her work regarding Weber's Law; so did she gather her research based on Weber's Law?

'''I have no idea. Here's a research challenge for you.''' J.R. Council (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Paccob (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Assignment 5
TODO List

1. Divide work amongst group members, if there is some part of this list one of you wants to tackle put your name on it so we know who's doing what and if you think of something else you want to add to the list don't hesitate to throw it on here, the more detailed we are the better.

2. Gather an obituary, this might have details about death and life that would be useful. Found!!! Alyssa-Burley (talk) 03:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC) I found the obituary/memorial in the American Journal of Psychology and the source is above under my assignment 4

3. Read through some of her more famous published works to see if there was a direct influence from Weber or what the relationship of their work was.
 * On a side note I found some stuff about her relationship with TitchenerAlyssa-Burley (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I can research the information on Weber. Paccob (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

4. Outline the important information chronologically to make her life easier to understand as a whole. Maybe drawing out a timeline would help with this? I don't know. A timeline is probably the easiest way to really get a good grasp on the her life chronologically.Triscuitchan (talk) 16:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

5. Compile references
 * Alyssa, I noticed you added a "References" section below, do we just want to keep a compiled list there and edit it as needed? Paccob (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC) Yup! That works for me! That way it's all in one place Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I pasted the references from above in the reference section below but they all need to be formatted the same way so they are easier to find and look better Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I put them in alphabetic order but as far as I can tell they're all APA, they just look different since they come from different format (book, journal, etc.), but I'm not expert. Katester06 (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

6. Complete outline with suggestions from Council and existing article, maybe add a legacy section - a Legacy section is probably the best way to talk about the memorial and how her work has survived her. I'd be happy to talk about her legacy. Triscuitchan (talk) 16:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC) A potential section could be Contributions to Psychology, this could be paired the legacy section as a subsection or on its own. Katester06 (talk) 17:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Alyssa-Burley (talk) 02:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Outline

*Old Outline*

1. Work and Career

2. Personal Life

3. Memorials

4. References Paccob (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

* New Outline* Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) New Lead
 * 2) Career - Her personal accomplishments (leadership rolls at Wellesley and published work), PhD studies, teaching career, institution membership, her work with other psychologists (Weber and Titchener)
 * 3) Personal Life - Her family history, death
 * 4) Memorials - APA memorial, Stained glass window at Wellesley
 * 5) Legacy - Her impact on psychology
 * 6) References

Dividing work Since there seems to be two major (Career/Personal life) and two minor (Memorials/Legacy) sections named in the new outline, I think it would be best if two of us worked on one major and one minor section and the other two worked on the other major an minor sections. I think career and legacy should be paired and personal life and memorials should be paired, because in searching for information on the major section, you are more likely to come across something for the minor section. (Just an idea of how to divide the sections, if any one wants to make changes or choose a different section, feel free) Katester06 (talk) 18:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Career/Legacy. Katie, Trista
 * 2) Personal life/ Memorials. Alyssa, Tiffanie

References Alyssa-Burley (talk) 04:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Gamble, E. A. M. (1898). The applicability of weber's law to smell. The American Journal of Psychology, 10(1), 82-142. doi:10.2307/1412679 Paccob (talk) 00:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) Greenwood, J. D. (2015). A conceptual history of psychology: exploring the tangled web. page 258.
 * 3) Fancher, R. E., & Rutherford, A. (2017). Pioneers of psychology. New York, NY: W.W. Norton & Company, Inc. Paccob (talk) 00:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 4) Proctor, R. W. & Evans, R. (2014) E. B. Titchener, Women Psychologists, and the Experimentalists The American Journal of Psychology, Vol. 127, No. 4 (501-526)
 * 5) Ruckmick, C. A. (1934) Eleanor Acheson McCullough Gamble The American Journal of Psychology, Vol 46, No. 1 (154-156)

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 5
This is a nice start. There seems to be plenty of information on your topic, so you should not have any trouble fleshing out the article. However:
 * 1) Your outline needs to be fleshed out and put in corret form. Put this in a proper outline and the article will be much easier to write.
 * 2) I can't tell that you have each contributed to each part of the assignment. I can give each of you partial credit for this assignment. If you deserve more, please go back and sign your contributions. J.R. Council (talk) 06:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Lead section - Katester06 (talk) 17:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Eleanor Gamble was dedicated to academia, she authored or co-authored several academic articles, many about perception, including auditory, olfactory, and taste perception. After receiving her PhD. she began teaching in her home state of Ohio, then New York, before being offered a teaching position in the psychology department at her alma mater, Wellesley. Gamble was awarded associate professor of psychology five years later, and full professor seven years after that. In the time that Gamble was an associate professor, she also continued her education while studying in Germany under Muller. Gamble was also dedicated to her students. She advised several student's theses and aided on several studies.

My Comments:
 * Focus on notability: what did she do that was important? Don't need details about academic advancement and dedication to students. That can go into main text.J.R. Council (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Critiques

I like your focus on her work but as a stand alone segment on her I don't think it quite has enough information to justify the importance of the article. She was extremely important for psychology and women in academia and the lead section should establish that. If you added some years to give the article some time placement I think that would help. When she graduated, when she held her positions, when she went to Germany, and her date of birth and death I think are all important dates that should be included in the lead section. You should also include where she got her PhD.Alyssa-Burley (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section - Paccob (talk) 03:11, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Eleanor Acheson McCulloch Gamble (March 2 1868 - August 30 1933) was a Ph.D student of Titchener and studied the sense of smell before she became a renowned professor at Wellesley College.

Gamble was able to obtain her Ph.D degree from Cornell University in 1898, and in that same year, she taught at both the Western College for Women, OH and the Normal School of Plattsburg, NY before she was appointed as a professor at Wellesley College, where she had achieved her bachelor’s degree years before in 1889.

She began to study smell while she acquired her doctoral degree and published her thesis “The Applicability of Weber’s Law to Smell” before further dedicating her studies on the sense of smell under Titchener. Gamble concluded that she was unable to seek out individual smells unlike what Weber and Fechner could do with visual and auditory senses.

My comments:
 * This has a bit too much detail for a lead, but does focus on her notable accomplishments. J.R. Council (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Critiques

This lead section is able to stand alone, it touches on several parts of Gamble's life, one thing I would add is that Cornell was one of few universities accepting women at that time. Katester06 (talk) 05:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)Katester06

I think this lead section is well organized and contains the necessary elements as a stand alone article. Throughout our article we would be able to elaborate on each of the points you make. I also think you developed a sense of purpose for the article within the first couple of sentences without going into too much detail so there's room for elaboration through the rest of the article. Alyssa-Burley (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section - Alyssa-Burley (talk) 04:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Eleanor Acheson McCulloch Gamble (March 2, 1868 - August 30, 1933) was an influential American psychologist from the late 19th century through the early 20th century. She earned her undergraduate degree from Wellesley College in 1889. She went on to obtain her doctorate from Cornell University in 1898. She held several teaching positions over the course of her career and was a member of several influential organizations including the American Psychological Association (APA). Eleanor Gamble was a distinguished and well liked professor at Wellesley College for more than two decades and by 1930 she was the head of the Department of Philosophy and Psychology following the death of Mary Whiton Calkins. At the time of her death she was Professor of Psychology and Director of the Psychological Laboratory at Wellesley College.

Gamble published most of her work on audition and memory influenced by Georg Elias Müller, Edward B. Titchener, Calkins, and Ernst Heinrich Weber. Despite her debilitating chronic eye conditions she was successful in editing volumes of textbooks, her own papers, and directing many masters students. Alyssa-Burley (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

My comments:
 * Don't use phrases like "made waves." Too colloquial for Wikipedia.
 * Details about organizational memberships can go in main text.
 * "many more" is vague. Be specific or drop.
 * Details about memorials can also go in main text. J.R. Council (talk) 16:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Critiques

This is a well written lead section, it is able to stand alone, it scratches the surface of in the major elements of Gambles life, I think this would make a good start and then we can elaborate on each facet as the page goes on. Katester06 (talk) 05:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)Katester06

This re-written and edited lead for assignment 7 is able to stand alone, and gives us a good start for elaborating on each point further in the article. Triscuitchan (talk) 01:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Group Lead
Eleanor Acheson McCulloch Gamble (March 2, 1868 - August 30, 1933) was an influential American psychologist from the late 19th century through the early 20th century. Gamble published most of her work on audition and memory influenced by Georg Elias Müller, Edward B. Titchener, Mary Calkins, and Ernst Heinrich Weber. Despite her debilitating chronic eye conditions she was successful in editing volumes of textbooks, her own papers, and directing many masters students. She earned her undergraduate degree from Wellesley College in 1889. She went on to obtain her doctorate from Cornell University in 1898. She held several teaching positions over the course of her career and was a member of several influential organizations including the American Psychological Association (APA). Eleanor Gamble was a distinguished and well liked professor at Wellesley College for more than two decades and by 1930 she was the head of the Department of Philosophy and Psychology following the death of Mary Whiton Calkins. At the time of her death she was Professor of Psychology and Director of the Psychological Laboratory at Wellesley College. ——

''Gamble published most of her work on audition and memory influenced by Georg Elias Müller, Edward B. Titchener, Mary Calkins, and Ernst Heinrich Weber. Despite her debilitating chronic eye conditions she was successful in editing volumes of textbooks, her own papers, and directing many masters students.'' Alyssa-Burley (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

From my original lead, links were added to important topics and individuals and vague language was cleared up or dropped all together. We still need to add references but we're unclear how to do that but we will work on it and get that up as soon as we figure it out.Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)Triscuitchan (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC) Paccob (talk) 15:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments on group lead

 * This is very nice work! You just need to move things around a little and you'll be ready to start the main article. You can better establish her notability if you insert the text I've italicized after the first sentence. Do this and you're ready to roll. It’s moved! Triscuitchan (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please indicate for me who worked on this section. It should have been a group effort. J.R. Council (talk) 20:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Just about ready J.R. Council (talk) 21:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay - it's ready! Sorry I didn't get back on this sooner. Please proceed to develop your main article. J.R. Council (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead
Eleanor Acheson McCulloch Gamble (March 2, 1868 - August 30, 1933) was an influential American psychologist from the late 19th century through the early 20th century. Gamble published most of her work on audition and memory influenced by Georg Elias Müller, Edward B. Titchener, Mary Whiton Calkins, and Ernst Heinrich Weber. Despite her debilitating chronic eye conditions she was successful in editing volumes of textbooks, her own papers, and directing many masters students. She earned her undergraduate degree from Wellesley College in 1889. She went on to obtain her doctorate from Cornell University in 1898. She held several teaching positions over the course of her career and was a member of several influential organizations including the American Psychological Association (APA). Eleanor Gamble was a distinguished and well liked professor at Wellesley College for more than two decades and by 1930 she was the head of the Department of Philosophy and Psychology following the death of Mary Whiton Calkins. At the time of her death she was Professor of Psychology and Director of the Psychological Laboratory at Wellesley College.

Education
Gamble’s education began in 1889 when she graduated with her bachelor’s degree Wellesley College, MA. She then went on to pursue her PhD at Cornell University, one of the few schools accepting women in this time period. During this time, she began to study smell under her supervisor E. B. Titchener and wrote her doctoral thesis “The Applicability of Weber’s Law to Smell”. Gamble was able to became apart of The Experimentalists since she received her PhD degree at Cornell University, because this university was one of the few universities accepting women during this time.

Medical Problems
Gamble was considered physical handicapped from birth when they discovered she had amblyopia in her left eye. Later in her life, she began to develop glaucoma in her right eye after her first study abroad trip to Europe. Her vision continually worsened throughout her life despite several surgical operations.

Paccob (talk) 02:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Career
Eleanor Gamble received her PhD. under Edward B. Titchener at Cornell in 1898. Next, she began teaching in her home state of Ohio, then New York, before being offered a teaching position in the philosophy and psychology department at her alma mater, Wellesley, all in 1898. At Wellesley she taught and specialized in experimental psychology. Gamble became an associate professor of psychology in 1903, and full professor seven years later in 1910. In her time as an associate professor, Gamble received a postdoctoral research grant to to study with Müller in Germany in 1906. After returning from Germany, Gamble became the director of the psychological laboratory at Wellesley, previously run by Mary Whiton Calkins. From this position, Gamble supervised psychological research until the 1931. After Calkins passed away in 1930, Gamble became the new head of the philosophy and psychology department at Wellesley. Katester06 (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Katester06

Professional Organizations

 * American Psychological Association
 * American Philosophical Association
 * Ninth International Congress of Psychology
 * Sigma Xi
 * Phi Beta Kappa

Publications

 * The applicability of Weber's law to smell (1898)
 * The perception of sound direction as a conscious process (1902)
 * Attention and thoracic breathing (1905)
 * Minor studies from the psychological laboratory of Wellesley College: Intensity as a criterion in estimating the distance of sounds (1909)
 * A defense of psychology as science of selves (1915)
 * A study in spatial associations in learning and in recall (1916)

Alyssa-Burley (talk) 03:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Legacy and memorials
Gamble's research on the olfactory senses and on memory gave way to new research, including research done by her own advisor, Titchener. At the time of her death, she was doing new research on word memory and chance-reactions to words. She helped to edit and publish multiple books, texts, articles, and theses. She was a beloved teacher and was even elected as an honorary member of the class of 1926 at Wellesley College.

Wellesley College has a series of stained glass windows in their chapel, including one dedicated to Eleanor Gamble on 17 June 1939. It was gifted to the college by her classmates of 1889. The window features multiple images, including a woman with a pen and book, and an owl to symbolize wisdom. The second is an image of St. Francis of Assisi, the patron saint of animals. Gamble loved animals and had multiple cocker spaniels whom she cared for greatly. The window has an inscription, 'Wisdom, expressive of the great teacher'. Her funeral was held at Wellesley College, and one of her colleagues, T. Proctor, gave a eulogy. According to Proctor, Eleanor was a very talented teacher who was very devoted to her research and students. Triscuitchan (talk) 03:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

New Comments from Group
I'm currently building up the information on her Legacy and added some information to other areas as well, including adding the template for the infobox and added information on her thesis, death, birth, education, etc... We should find a photo to add to the infobox, too. Triscuitchan (talk) 02:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I found a website that did a cool profile on her, here's the link if you want to take a look http://www.feministvoices.com/eleanor-acheson-mcculloch-gamble/ Alyssa-Burley (talk) 03:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC) - Yes! I've also been looking at this website! It's got some good informationTriscuitchan (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

We have already taken Ian's feedback into consideration and made the changes he suggested. Everyone should make there final changes/tweaks, and then PLEASE sign your name here so we know when to let Dr. Council know when it's ready. Once we've reached a consensus, one of us can email him to inform him our article is finished. Triscuitchan (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I pulled out the duplicate resources and set them to their first appearance so they are the same format and there aren't repeats. I also changed the Proctor Evans reference to include the title of the article. I'm happy with it now though so go ahead on my end. Alyssa-Burley (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Comments from Dr. Council
This is getting very close to ready. I see some notes from the group that indicate more material will be added. Please do that as soon as you can.

Also see my comments in the text in italics.

I am sending this link to Ian at Wiki Ed for his feedback.

J.R. Council (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)