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Stewart Island Flights is a regional New Zealand airline offering scheduled and scenic flights from its base in Invercargill to Stewart Island. It is a locally owned and operated company. Stewart Island Flights was previously called Southern Air and then Southern Air 1997 Ltd. South East Air Ltd is the parent company and holder of the Air Operator Certificate, under which Stewart Island Flights and Invercargill Aircraft Maintenance are operated.

Services
Stewart Island Flights operate daily scheduled flights between Invercargill and Stewart Island and adhoc scenic flights around Stewart Island and Southland.

History
A succession of operators, T.A.T (Tourist Air Travel), Amphibian Airways and Mount Cook Airlines all operated Grumman Widgeon amphibian aircraft from Invercargill to an alighting ramp in front of the South Seas Hotel in Stewart Island's main settlement of Oban. This service operated from 1951 to 1976, when Mount Cook Airlines pulled out. Stewart Island Air Services took over the route in 1976, but the Widgeons were by this time at the end of their usable life.

In March 1978 the Ryans Creek airstrip was built near Oban and Stewart Island Air Services started flights from Invercargill using a Britten-Norman Islander. This type has remained the main aircraft in use ever since. Stewart Island Travel, owned and operated by Lloyd and Beryl Wilcox, met flights, taking passengers, and freight to town in yellow Ford Transit vans. There was no daily ferry service at this time.

1980, IAS crashes on the strip due to windshear. In 1981 Stewart Island Air Services changed its name to Southern Air. This is because they were expanding their routes to not only Stewart Island, but also Dunedin. Southern Air introduced its first turbo-prop type, the GAF Nomad N-22 ZK - SAL to replace IAS. Also, 2 Piper Aztecs were in service, DUB and TJE, along with Cessna 402 DSB, which operated the Dunedin run with SAL. However the Nomad proved too costly to operate as the tourist numbers were low, and it had extremely high maintenance costs. The Nomad had disappeared by 1983. The Nomad and Cessna 402 DSB were used operating the Dunedin route and with an extension to the Ryans Creek. This service operated from 1983-1983. In 1983, Southern Air went into receivership. It was bailed out by share holders, Keith Smith, Joe Cave, Bill Haslett and Sam Nicol. This was a big risk, because the passenger numbers were falling, and because of the lost profit the Nomad caused. Aztecs and 402 were gone, and Islander FGR was purchased in 1983, along with FFL 1984.

These aircraft were the backbone of the air link for the next 6 years. Keith realized that Stewart Island was not heard of New Zealand wide. This pushed him to promote the Island as a tourist attraction, not just the third Isle of NZ. Along with Stewart Island Travel, this hard work paid off, and is still apparent today. 1985 Islander FLU was brought bringing the total to three Islanders. Between 1985 and 1990, these seemed to be the busiest years on record - ever. 1989, Keith Smith along with Dick Langdon, saw the establishment of Southern Air's newest asset, Shearwater Inn. This provided accommodation for the backpacker, and tourist with a tight budget. New Islanders FXE and FWZ were brought 1991, to replace FFL and FGR which were sold by 1992, due to corrosion. 1991 also saw FLU out of service due corrosion, but was back on in the same year. 1990, Ryans Creek has the "hill" at the 22 end of the strip taken out. This gave more room for the Islanders to land and takeoff, with a 200m extension given. The road went on this extension now. 1993, Southern Air buys the Post office / depot to serve as a terminal for the waiting passengers. Southern Air brought its own vans, Hiaces and Bedford CF's to collect and drop passengers at Ryans Creek, so Stewart Island Travel was not needed, but continued offering bus tours of the Island till the late 90's. During the early 90's to the mid 90's, Live Fish and Lobster flights started. This saw the arrival of the Instrument arrival and track from Invercargill, and in reserve. 1993, Southern Air buys the South Seas Hotel. Keith did state he "was not going to take over the Island" as it would have seemed during these years (Ryans Creek airstrip, Depot / Post Office, Shearwater Inn), but more of committing Southern Air to the Island. This was sold mid 90's. In 1997 Southern Air was brought by Allan Aitcheson, who called it Southern Air 1997 LIMITED. Cessna 172P DNP and 177RG DXS were brought into service. 1998 saw the arrival of the ill fated Cessna 402 VAC and the depart of Islander FLU in 1998 also. Keith Smith died in 1999(?).

Fleet

 * 2 Britten-Norman Islander
 * 2 Piper Cherokee Six
 * 1 Cessna 185

Name ambiguity
Pacific Islanders form one of the several "races" officially recognized by the United States, and are closely related to the Asians who come form East Timor and Eastern Indonesia and more broadly Maritime Southeast Asia. Originally, the Austronesians and some Papuans share similar cultures until the Spread of Islam in Southeast Asia of and the European colonization of Oceania. As with some other officially recognized race groups in the United States (See the classification of Arab, Irannian and Indian American), the term Pacific Islander at least within American usage is an umbrella term and as such has no equivalent in either Austronesian languages or Papuan languages who have only more general terms for 'hometown', 'ocean', etc. (but those terms might be applied to all islands in the Pacific Ocean, not excluding the Philippines and Indonesian) and more specific terms, for their own island(s). Therefore the word Pacific Island(er)s, like with the aforementioned White American (for Arabs and Iranians)/Asian American (for Pakistanis and Afghanistanis), is a Euro-American political concept which has now been adopted by other languages such as Fiji Hindi, Turkish and even Indonesian with English loan words (see respective Wikipedias). As a solution in corresponding indigenous languages, a transcription of English word Pacific Island(er)s may also be applied to this English concept.

Although they are officially recognized as a single race by the United States, these Austronesian and Papuan people consists of both Mongoloid and Australoid races. Even in one language family, two peoples with similar culture could be from different race (e.g. see Ati and Cebuano people)."

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 * I'm Not sure why it matters or needs to be mentioned that the US has this ethnicity in its Census data. But if it is relevant it should probably say something like "The US census includes "Pacific Islander" along with but separate from "Hawaiian" as ethnicities in its data. Anything more is Original Research. Please read the definition of OR' carefully picking general vague statements and then making up your own conclusions or implications of these is Original Research.


 * Now the next bit I am still struggling with even more. Firstly when I asked for references I wanted references that actually and directly support what you are writing I am unconvinced that these reference do anything to specifically support your additions - a general webpage about tattoos in the Philippines may indicate a cultural similarity but no more.  It is not controversial, in any way, that the peoples who expanded into the maritime pacific were from an east Asian origin [] covers this admirably. While this bit of your edit can maybe be deciphered for meaning the next succession of sentences are completely unreferenced and wander to totally unrelated topics (turkish?). This is enough to remove them, but they also make no sense.  Can you explain to me what this sentence means and more importantly why it relates and adds to the article and so why this should be kept.


 * "As a solution in corresponding indigenous languages, a transcription of English word Pacific Island(er)s may also be applied to this English concept." It looks to me to have been produced by some random postmodern sentence generator' !

Also I'm unsure about your statement about "Mongoloid and Australoid" races. I would need some convincing "Australoid" is commonly thought of as a "race" rather than a language group.

As I offered before - if I can work out what point you are trying to make and this can be supported by proper reference I would be glad to reword your additions into more readable English. However it is up to you to communicate and back up your additions

Thanks Andrewgprout (talk) 21:27, 25 December 2014 (UTC)



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Please do not remove references without reason - the only good reason in reality is that the reference no longer supports the fact it is supporting or you are replacing it with a better one - references are there to aid the venerability of entries in Wikipedia, WP:V is a core principle for the project and must be adhered to.

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 * We always remove the source when it begins (or ends) a route...the article can't be full of sources for each city...Vmzp85 (talk) 22:51, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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