User:Andy F/Archive



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= 2004 / 2005 =

Fairport Convention
Hi Andy, I spotted it because I was watching the "Recent changes" list (which you'll find if you click on "Recent changes" on the left-hand side of this page); and I recognized the IP address as one that had already caused vandalism to an article on my watchlist.

By the way, I know that "now I'll get out even less" feeling. :-)  Slim 00:34, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

River Leam
I didn't understand the term ironstone hills - I had never heard it before and thought you were referring to an actual place. However here in lies a lesson: if I (a British person) am likely to get confused over the use of the term in an article, how are other non-British pople going to take it? Does it need to be in the article and if it does, why not link it and use an article to explain the term and its history?

As for the redlinks in the River Leam article, I would say leave them. Kites Hardwick may only be a few houses on a road, but you can guarantee there is someone out there who can write a good article about it. What about its history and foundation? Where does its name come from? Where is it geographically located? Where does it fit in context with other local places? It may only be a hamlet but all places are important. There are plenty of articles on American places where the poopulation is one person (believe me there are) so I wouldn't over worry about how small a particular article is going to be - leave it and someone with more knowledge on that subject will create it and expand it.

-- Graham &#9786; | Talk 17:04, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

PS do you want me to help sort out the problem with your user/talk page? -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 17:05, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Let me explain what I did
I moved your user page back to your talk page so that the page history sits here. I then copied and pasted your bio over the redirect at your user page so that the two are once more divided. Sorted. -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 17:29, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Graham, thank you very much indeed! Andy F 17:33, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oxford Canal
Hello, its nice to hear from someone local, actually there was another local user User:GregRobson from Southam, small world hey. About the photos, I took some lovely photos of the Oxford near Brinklow a few months back but I cant find the disks with them on, but if the sun comes out I'll see about taking some more. Cheers G-Man 00:32, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I put a photo in the Oxford Canal article, hope you like it. G-Man 19:17, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

River Thame
Although interesting it does read a bit like a travel guide. Overall I don't se a problem with it though other editors may take out the interesting bits about the places the river passes because they have no direct subsequence to the river itself that the article is about. Good work. -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 14:49, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Graham, your input is valued as always. I fear the same comments could apply to some of my other 'river' articles too. Andy F 16:43, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Rugby villages
Hello Andy, I am going to write some articles about villages in the borough of Rugby, and seem as you are local I wondered if you might like to help, write some/expand on them etc. G-Man 19:16, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

= 2008 / 2009 =

Back
After an absence, I'm back. I've been working on a few Cornwall-related articles, expanding some and tidying-up others. I have also started new ones. Please feel free to improve or expand or copy-edit these. You can either leave messages here or email me (sse the "E-mail this user" function in the 'toolbox', left). Andy F (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Cornwal to do
Off the top of my head the articles we most need would be the redlinked parishes in Template:Caradon navigation box and Template:North Cornwall navigation box - these are civil parishes (and usually villages too) which don't yet have articles - just a few lines indicating where it is and any notable features would be a start. Apart from that - just look for redlinks in articles you read, and if it is a subject which interests you then go for it! DuncanHill (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also to do - Coords missing
 * Next to do... List of places in Cornwall
 * Crackington Haven needs refs

Cornwall geology maps
I've uploaded this map (drawn by me) for anyone to use.


 * Hi Andy, I think it's a very useful map, thanks! I've added it to Geology of Cornwall. Have you considered joining WikiProject Cornwall? Regards, --Joowwww (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I'll leave a message on your Talk page and have a look at WikiProject Cornwall. Andy F (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the map and your work, looks good. Unfortunately I am unable to edit much at the moment, but best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 14:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've now uploaded a second map showing the distribution of basalt and greensand and naming the main areas of granite.




 * Andy, looks good but I don't have a map to check it against, but I'll see what I can find and get back to you when I have. If you want to name the granite between the Land's End and St Austell masses it's the Tregonning-Godolphin Granite, which I happen to think is a wonderful name for a piece of geology. If you ever get the chance, go down to Megilligar Rocks where the pegmatite sheets that form part of the 'roof zone' to the pluton come down to the coast and look for really nice specimens of Apatite, Beryl and Tourmaline. Mikenorton (talk) 21:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I should probably point out that Megilligar Rocks is now an SSSI, no hammering and no collecting allowed, but you can still see some nice examples of minerals in situ. Mikenorton (talk) 10:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the confusion, I meant between the Land's End and Carnmenellis (N.B. both misspelt on your map) granites, a useful detailed map is here . BTW where did you get your distribution of basalt/greenstones from? The outcrops on the Lizard look a little strange on your map, the Crouza Gabbro seems to be lumped in with the Landewednack Hornblende schist, see here . Perhaps you could label it something like 'mafic igneous rocks'?

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 * Regarding the photographs, you might want to replace your picture of Crackington Haven with this image of chevron folding from Millook Haven. In fact, if you haven't done it already, it's worth a careful search through Commons to see what's available. Mikenorton (talk) 10:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Re the spelling of Land's End, there was a huge fuss when the clothing manufacturer used the tradename Lands' End, although it turns out that it was a typo originally. I think that Land's End in the official spelling, as in the Wikipedia page. I had a look at the map, it is a little on the old side, although the granites look fine. As I said, I'll search out a more recent map and compare. Mikenorton (talk) 11:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I found a few up-to-date maps, which suggest that most of the boundaries on your geology map are fine. The only change that I would add is to include the Crousa Gabbro (outline shown in that link to the Lizard I included above), to split it out from the serpentinite (rather than serpentine). Regarding the other map, this would suggest that the mafic lavas etc are a little overemphasised on that old map. Mikenorton (talk) 11:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Revised temporary map (below) for approval - comments please
 * The mafic stuff looks great, I've uploaded a version of your map with some additions for the Lizard taken from the map that I linked earlier. The Spillites are altered basic (mafic) lavas so should be uncluded. The Gabbro I put in a different colour, but with a change in the key to include gabbro, I don't see any reason not to include it along with the other mafic igneous rocks. I've left out the hornblende schists, even though they are likely to be metamorphosed and deformed gabbros and dolerites. It makes sense to me to just keep to rocks that are still recognisably igneous. Hope that helps. The map I uploaded is not the best quality, but hopefully with reference to the original map you can see what I intended. Mikenorton (talk) 15:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK Andy lets stick with that, more than fit for purpose I would say, just add back the numbers for the individual granites (which I'm sure you were going to do anyway). Mikenorton (talk) 18:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)





Lizard, Cornwall map
Here is another map - The Lizard, Cornwall - that needs checking:


 * Looks very nice Andy, I only wonder about 'Crousa Gabbros', plural when Trelan is included but, missing that out, just 'Crousa Gabbro' I reckon. Mikenorton (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, Mike - thanks very much. Map now ready to deploy Andy F (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a nice map! Thanks! Woodwalker (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)



Yes, they're excellent maps, Andy. Thanks for preparing them. There's a tiny typo on Image:CornwallBasaltGraniteMap.jpg - Carnmenellis "grantie". If you feel like moving up to map Devon - oh hang on, there isn't a Geology of Devon yet ;-( —S MALL  JIM   17:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, S MALL . I've corrected it now. Cheers Andy F (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

New Cornish articles
Thanks for the new articles - I'm rather ashamed that we didn't have articles on them already! I've added them to WikiProject Cornwall/New articles so other Wikiproject members will see them too. If I've missed any that you have made, then do go ahead and add them there. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Andy - I don't know what is recommended for coordinates for rivers and the like. I think there is a Wikiproject for coordinates, if I can find it I'll give you the link as it may be best to ask there.
 * OK, I found this draft guidance for linear features - not sure how much use it is. WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Linear. DuncanHill (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the Coordinates project would be the obvious place to seek consensus, but if I recall correctly, it can sometimes be rather hard to find a consensus there! I would suggest being bold and going ahead with what seems best to you, but maybe place linked threads at the Cornwall Wikiproject talk page and at the Coordinates Wikiproject explaining what you are doing. That way, 1) the job gets done, and 2) no-one can say you haven't looked for guidance and consensus! I dare say some will disagree, and some will agree, but for small rivers it does seem to me that your suggestion makes sense. DuncanHill (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Linear features
That looks good to me - I think mouth and source are key features of any river, and that provides the information clearly. Go for it! DuncanHill (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, Duncan. I'll get onto it shortly. Best Andy F (talk) 15:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleting redundant images
Andy, if you want to remove the earlier versions, then, as far as I know, you have to list them for deletion by putting a 'delete' tag on the image page with a justification. This anyway is the procedure on Commons, for Wikipedia see Images and media for deletion. In my experience it may take days, possibly weeks for the deletion to happen, but no-one is likely to use an image marked for deletion. Sorry I can't be more definitive. I've enjoyed the collaboration over the maps, Wikipedia working as it should IMO. Mikenorton (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Map of railways in Cornwall


Just what it says on the tin... a map of the railways in Cornwall in 2009. This needs checking. Andy F (talk) 11:48, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This looks like a useful map, provided people are not expecting too much detail. I'm not sure why some stations are in capitals and others are not, and the reversals at Bere Alston and Coombe are ommitted but that at Bodmin is included.  The only significant error seems to be that the freight line to Fowey should start from Lostwithiel rather than Par. Geof Sheppard (talk) 08:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)



Again, it's what it says on the tin... a map of the railways in Cornwall including closed GWR lines and the former LSWR system. This map also needs checking. Andy F (talk) 11:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That seems a sensible level of detail. I think that, in this context, "Bodmin Parkway" might be better as "Bodmin Road", and removing the difference between the GWR open and GWR open for freight - the Lostwithiel & Fowey was a passeneger railway.  It might be worthwhile adding "closed line - other" for the Pentewan and the Redruth & Chacewater railways. There was also a second line to Launceston, a GWR route via Tavistock. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Carnmenellis
Thanks for updating my very basic article - seems fine. It is one of those 'hidden' hills of Cornwall, even though it is higher than both neighbouring Carn Marth and Carn Brea. Frustratingly, there is no public access to the summit; I did try to walk on the right of way around the hill, but gave up due to heavy brambles! A full geological and archaelogical survey of the site is desperately need IMHO. Tinminer (talk) 11:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Duncan
Hi Andy - sorry I've not responded to your messages sooner, have been away and had little internet access. Will look them over when I can - best wishes, HDuncanHill (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

St Stephens
Yes, it's the one -by-Launceston that the box should link to. St Stephens, Cornwall should really be a dab page for the three of them. BTW, is it "St Stephens-by-Launceston" or "St Stephen-by-Launceston"? Not sure off the top of my head. One more thing - good work, much appreciated! DuncanHill (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've edited the navigation box to point to St Stephen-by-Launceston. DuncanHill (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The St Austell one is St Stephen-in-Brannel - known only as "St Stephens" to all except the OS and the people who make road-signs for Cornwall CC! DuncanHill (talk) 23:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember St Thomas the Apostle Rural from my days in the Valuation Office in St Austell. As I recall it is a civil parish on the outskirts of Launceston - I think at one point there was a parish of St Thomas the Apostle, and it was split into rural and urban parts, the urban part being incorporated into Launceston. I'm just going to have a look on the NCDC website to see if it is still a civil parish. DuncanHill (talk) 11:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, St Thomas, or St Thomas the Apostle Rural is a civil parish just west of Launceston - you can see it on the map at . The contact details for the clerk to the parish council are at . DuncanHill (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This page has links to profiles of wards and parishes in North Cornwall which may be of use. DuncanHill (talk) 11:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Lanteglos
Yes, there are at least two - one is -by-Fowey, the other is -by-Camelford. The Camelford one is not (afaik) a civil parish. DuncanHill (talk) 22:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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Parish Maps
Hi Andy, you know I was just thinking "Andy does nice maps, maybe I should mention them to him"! Anyway, I think the original Penwith one was done by User:Mammal4. DuncanHill (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Parishes

 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. More accurate name, and consistent with other "civil parishes in" categories. The word "in" is preferred in Wikipedia category names. (See also this discussion.) -- Carlaude (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please Support -- Carlaude (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

RE:Use of 'noref' tag
First off, I assure you that I meant no offense by tagging your articles. I was merely new page patrolling and came across some articles which did not cite any sources. Concerning your comments: The fact that your towns exist in a location is certainly verifiable with a map. However, specific claims like: "the biggest town in Cornwall, United Kingdom" and the census info should contain linked references, as they are certainly not common knowledge, and involve the quotation of materials. Category:Articles lacking sources states: "Wikipedia articles that have no citations belong in this category", your article cited no references, and I believed it belongs in this category and to be tagged as such. Regardless of article size, Wikipedia prides itself on being verifiable, and article should be referenced so that any user can check the facts contained therein.

I do not mean to offend or deter editors from editing, I just mean to promote the integrity of the site, I believe references are essential to an article, and if they are not there, the reader should be informed that the following does not include links to check for accuracy. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 20:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: Click for my reply to the above. Andy F (talk) 09:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, and perhaps I was a bit heavy-handed. Have a great winter break yourself! Cheers! Scapler (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Coords - more homework
I've found you five more articles in need of attention; all have Cornwall tags or Cats of one sort or another; not sure why the first one does, but there you go :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hingston Down, Devon
 * Newquay Tretherras School
 * Saltash Passage
 * St Austell with Fowey
 * Whitesand Bay


 * Top man; thanks. I'll be in Cornwall in a few days time, though sadly in an internet deprived part of it :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Photograph captions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Captions says "do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article"

You are doing some GREAT work on Cornwall articles.  Teapot  george Talk  20:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Notability issues on WP:Cornwall stubs
Hi Andy, I agree with you that there is no clear line of notability when it comes to villages or hamlets. My opinion is that the extra articles would in no way detract from Wikipedia, they can only provide information, which is the whole point of Wikipedia - which in turn has an unlimited amount of space for storing an unlimited amount of articles. Furthermore, every hamlet or village has a history, has geographical and architectural features, and has transport links to the rest of Cornwall, among other things, all of which is useful information to any interested reader and does nothing but improve Wikipedia's scope. Regards, --Joowwww (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well said Joowwww, agree with every word. Generally, the assumption on Wikipedia has been that places are always notable (there are periodic attempts to change this though). Keep up the good work! DuncanHill (talk) 00:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Myspace
yes, sorry, thanks for pointing that out, I was actually in the process of looking for guidelines on this. I saw a note regarding pruning of this list, started with your page, it was at the top of the list, and them realized I should probably state the link that explains the guideline so went looking for it. Now I see myspace link pruning is going to be a bigger task that I initially thought. Cheers Semitransgenic (talk) 00:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * it's just a search response for pages featuring myspace links, each one would have to be checked to establish if the link is in fact warranted or perhaps justifiable, in line with the issue you raised. I need to look more into this myself before taking further action. Also, having looked at a few of the pages there are other issues, starting with notability, many I have viewed are very clearly, in my opinion, candidates for deletion. Picking through while deciding what's what and tagging for speedy deletion or notability would be time consuming. Semitransgenic (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW to provide context, this is the item that prompted me to take at look at the task. In short it relates to WP:LINKVIO Semitransgenic (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Andy, not just notability issues, but sometimes OR & NPOV also, so I find it hard to justify leaving such items in place. But, regarding the point you raise about stubs, and entries currently in development, the tag below is very useful in this regard (note that it has auto formatted itself to reflect use on a talk page). best Semitransgenic (talk) 12:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Bishops Quay
Mea culpa. The tag was not an appropriate one, and the map reference is great. Also the line note ref format you have added is superb. By the way i wasn't "new patrolling". i just clicked on random article. The other thing i find amusing is that you and i both like map references for sources. I have seen more than one editor simply remove an ordnance survey map as a reference. In any case, i apologise for the rough treatment and wish you a Merry Christmas. Manitobamountie (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Parishes again
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 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. More accurate name, and consistent with other "civil parishes in" categories. "Parish" has different meanings in different localities. All categories should be clear if they contain civil (or geographical) parishes or church parishes. Note that this discussion of the same question (closed to divide the question) resulted in 5 Support rename votes, 1 Oppose vote, and 2 that abstained on most categories. I have looked at much more than these pages listed and the categories do all reflect civil parishes.-- Carlaude (talk) 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * All the English parishes were changed without opposition.
 * Please Support -- Carlaude (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Maps and stuff
Hi - good to hear that you are getting involved. I did make a set of parish maps for each district, with all of the parishes numbered and keyed. I used the parish maps found on the district websites as a template, and used photoshop to create a schematic version. Using these maps as a starting point, I then made individual maps for each parish page, in which I highlighted the parish in question in red. These maps were supposed to be in the style of those found on the main UK geography pages (shades of pink). Unfortunately, there were some major changes in the infoboxes used on all UK geography pages, and these were deleted in favour of an infobox for each UK place. Despite my protests that these were in many cases unsuitable as there are many places which are a village/town and also a parish (e.g. St Buryan parish and St Buryan village, which is ignored in the new boxes) these maps were deleted in the name of uniformity. It wouldn't have been that hard to have made a field in the infox box to include a map if available, but it was deemed 'not consistent' and thus not included. I don't write much anymore on wiki in part due to this frustrating obsession of some editors with making pages uniform even past the point where it is sensible, but there you go :). I'm only telling you all of this because you should be aware of the politics before you waste a lot of time and effort making a map that some consistency goon will deem inappropriate, and that you should probalby tread a bit carefully on this topic.  As far as I'm aware, the only residual map is one on the St Buryan Page, which is embedded at the left hand side of topographical map (which I also made).  You might stand more of a chance of making a few topgraphical maps for the parish, like mine at St Buryan, and also at Chew_Valley.  they are a lot of work, but if you are interested, I can point you in the direction of some non-copyrighted materials to make them from.  Anyway, good luck with it all Mammal4 (talk) 15:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Geograph pics
Hello Andy F, Happy New Year and all that. I see you've been uploading Geograph pics - good man! - just one little request: can you upload them onto Wikimedia Commons rather than here? That means that other Wikipedias or Wiki-whatevers can use them too. A second suggestion: most people seem to use the description as the file name rather than the image number. That makes it a little bit easier for people searching to find pictures, so rather than "228274 8f486c6a-by-Tony-Atkin.jpg" something like "Trewinnion across the Valley.jpg". Again, all the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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