User:BD2412/Archive - Deletion (first 50)

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I have archived my various VfD-related talk page discussions on this page. This includes general discussions of VfD policy and mechanics.

Closing VfD discussions
Good evening. Thanks for helping to close the old VfD discussions. I just edit-conflicted with one you were doing tonight. I'm going to move to a different day-page so we don't bump again. When I was there, I noticed that you're using the format to close the discussions. For several technical reasons, we've been strongly encouraged to use instead of leaving the templates as dynamic transclusions.

If I can also offer a tip, someone recently created and  as shortcuts. They insert the same top and bottom templates but cut out a few keystrokes. Have a good evening. Rossami (talk) 20:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Xinjiao
Hi BD2412! I have now closed Votes for deletion/Xinjiao (with a delete result), and moved your article into the main article namespace to replace it as requested. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

new vfd
The prior VFD that you voted at ended with no consensus, a new VFD has been opened at Votes for deletion/Historical persecution by Muslims. 18:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, then, I suppose it's only appropriate to reopen the VfD on the Jews wiki. It was also no consensus, and quite close to a delete. HKT talk 19:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Kidron
Thanks for finishing the VfD; I was too sleepy to do it properly. DS 02:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Please reconsider
Please reconsider your vote on the two live Motorhead singles up for VfD, Roda and I have spent the last two months putting up the the Motorhead discography (see Motorhead page), I'm now working on going through Lemmy's biography for anecdotes relating to recordings, I know all the singles are a bit thin, but they're too young to die, I urge you to change to keep. Alf 12:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your consideration. Alf 15:09, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Atromeroptic Law vfd
Thank you for voting to delete this entry! Hfwd 05:32, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Florida law
Who knew I would ever see so much discussion about Fla. law on WP? Soon to be deleted it appears, but WP's for Decency and its VfD as well as TfD FloridaDecencyLaw have some interesting chat on the topic. NoSeptember 12:09, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

My two cents...

 * 1) Keep as per BD2412. I don't like where this leads from a morlistic viewpoint, but I am trusting that admins will not succumb to pressure from moralistic interest groups pushing an agenda of "moral purity". To such people I spurn thee and rebuke thee! Hamster Sandwich 01:02, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, it's like when clowns all pile into a car. Then at least you know where they all are. Hamster Sandwich 01:24, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I like it - it's a good guidepost as to which pics I should vote to keep on IfD. -- BD2412 talk 01:52, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * True true. Always interesting when Jimbo pokes his head up for something like this. Must be more than marginally significant. Hamster Sandwich 02:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Two Good Arms
Just to let you know, re the Two Good Arms vfd - I did a bit more research, and the song was written in 1977, about Sacco and Vanzetti, and not by them. It most definitely isn't in public domain. DS 12:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Bush Sydney J. UK Optometrist/Researcher/Inventor: Introduced Cardioretinometry December 2002.
Please revisit the discussion. Uncle G 12:06:34, 2005-08-24 (UTC)

Impressive
''I've managed to show up to vote on this despite having just survived a hurricane, and having neither electricity nor a working telephone. I'm posting this vote telekinetically, by sheer force of will.''

That's impressive - can you show me how to do that? -- Francs2000 | Talk 21:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid it can not be taught - either you've got it or you don't. It helps to live within walking distance of a university that is on its own power grid, with a student lounge that has air-conditioning and wireless access! -- BD2412 talk 22:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah you see that's where I fall down right there. The nearest university to me is 20 miles away... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 22:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Screwed up voting.
Ok, I want advice. Look at the description of the voting processes at Conlangs/Votes and the opposition raised at Wikipedia talk:Conlangs/Votes. Calling anything that comes out of that voting process a "consensus" is going to be a joke, but voting's started already. What should I do? I've thought about tacking a "The results of this straw poll may be regarded as illegitimate/irrelvant due to the method of counting votes" type message into the voting page, and about putting it on RfC, but... I respect you a lot, and was wondering if you could help me figure out what to do about this. The Literate Engineer 18:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Fiona Volpe
Thanks for the heads up. Perhaps against the grain, I decided it's better to delete rather than to merge at Thunderball. The information is already there (even has its own paragraph IIRC). I'm at an impasse with James Bond characters. I'm not sure what to do anymore for the more minor characters such as Volpe and even more main characters such as Halle Berry's character from Die Another Day, which has its own stub/article. If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. K1Bond007 21:22, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Frisbeetarianism
Okay, but I still don't think Frisbeetarianism is encyclopedia-worthy. It's just a joke. --Angr/undefined 12:55, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Sexual Harrassment Panda
Thanks, it looks alot better now. I was thinking of reopening the RfD due to the vote, but the way it is now, I think it deserves to stay. That article before was just so horrendous that I assumed it was beyond even an expand tag. Karmafist 02:24, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
BD- Yes, that article (Turnip head) probably was speedied (and a good thing, too.) I believe I made a mistake of some sort listing it, though, what exactly did I do wrong? Thanks, Paul 05:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Alleged causes of Hurricane Katrina
Thanks for your work on this, I don't know where it would be without it. --Apyule 04:41, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

These theories were even discussed in an article in Time magazine (issue of September 12th). --Hullbr3ach 10:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD participation
I'm curious, as one of the top AFD participants (and a self-confessed nut). Can you name others of the top 10? Dragons flight 06:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Top 10 all-time? Or from set period? I wouldn't know where to start, as there have been some very active participants who have come and gone (Megan1967 comes to mind). I'd also say Kappa, but that may just be because his votes stand out. Maybe Jayjg, Radiant, Splash, JamesBurns, Yuckfoo... -- BD2412 talk 13:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well about half right is not bad, my working page and lists are here. Dragons flight 17:28, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Fake color articles
Your summary on the talk page is correct, with respect to my votes anyway. Thanks for letting me know. Mindmatrix 13:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I said. Well done on summarising a very messy vote! Dlyons493 18:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Just a small for the vote tallying on the AfD of the list of colours. It may not have worked out great, but it was way above and beyond the call of duty. --fvw *  02:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'm feelin' the Wikilove! :-D -- BD2412 talk 03:09, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Having allowed the VfU to run its full 5 days, less a few hours, I've undeleted the whole lot of these. For my reasoning, see VfU: basically, the fact that some people did not comment individually leads me to interpret their comments as blanket on the whole AfD, coupled with the numerics means we'll just have to try again. Which is unfortunate, because of your sterling service to the previous debates. -Splash talk 00:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I'll deal with them there. -- BD2412 talk 00:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for informing me, BD2412, and for your hard work in tallying the votes. I will take a look at the AfD's. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 07:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Lidix
Hmmmm. These are always tricky situations. What happens in a user space obviously gets way more leeway than what happens in the article space. I've pointed stuff like this out to people quite a few times and no one's cared to do anything about it, even though that article was VfDed a long time ago (oh what a hassle that guy was, I can tell you). As long as there's no incoming links to it from articles, I'm often inclined to ignore this sort of thing and fight the good fight in the article space. If the user never contributes anything else to wikipedia, maybe he'll be removed (and don't think there's a firm policy on these sorts of things), and if he becomes a regular contributor then having a blurb on one's band isn't far removed from personal information that users routinely put on their userpages, though it does seem kind of abusive. I think this band may have been VfDed over a year ago, though I can find no record of it. I guess I'd recommend taking it to Miscellany for deletion, though it being a new thing I don't know how much traffic it gets. Other than cast a delete vote there, there's not much I can do. Let me know what you decide, though. -R. fiend 20:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, what happened to the cowbell? I have a fever... and the only precription.... is more cow-bell... -R. fiend 20:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Heads up
Thanks for the heads up concerning bushhitler! How did the bar go? -Keetoowah 18:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Passed - I'm a law-yer now - and I'm up to my neck in a very interesting case! -- BD2412 talk 18:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Thebroken
BD, Firstly, fear not, complaining about the close is not why I'm here. Well, it is why I'm here but not complaining as much as wanting to talk about the process. If this had been a vote: d - 1 brenneman 2 kertrats   3 clw    4 johntex   5 gamaliel   6 mikka k - 1 hoover   2 oojah       3 eliot  4 bbx       5 grue       6 salvag redirect don't delete - 1 mgm

But it's not a vote, it's a discussion. And if we examine the arguments presented, the outcome is different. But any admin who closed this as "delete" would have had that closure reversed quick smart, I think.

I've seen a few of these in the last few days, where every "delete - no media coverage, no google hits, no alexa" is cancelled by a "keep - notable, but I've go no evidence of that." Does this bother you at all? brenneman (t) (c) 00:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Ours is not to reason why"... granted, there were bald assertions, but I must have faith that longstanding editors who know the deletion criteria and the AfD process and still make such assertions have some basis of knowledge to do so. BD2412  talk 00:29, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yikes, doesn't that end "..ours is but to do or die?" I suppose I get the sense of what you're saying but don't know if my faith stretches quite that far.  Do you agree that if a rouge admin closed as delete they'd get spanked, even if they wrote a nice paragraph at the top, "Several editors have claimed X but as there is no evidence presented and this is not a vote..."?  brenneman (t) (c)  00:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have actually seen such a thing happen, and the articles in question were promptly VfU'd and undeleted. BD2412  talk 12:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Jewish Smurfs
Good point! Israel has all the communist Jews (kibbutzs) anyway. Maybe the red Papa Smurf (Soviets) and the capitalist Gargamel (US) are fighting for Smurfs' souls. I also don't think anyone has mentioned that the first Smurf was created only a few years after the Suez crisis....

Another thing is that the idea of Jews as poisonous mushrooms was an element in Anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda, but I'm not sure where that fits in. Tfine80 05:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * In any event, I don't think an inquiry into Jewish themes is necessarily appropriate for an article on purported Smurf communism - which is itself a topic of somewhat dubious notability, made encyclopedic only by the sheer volume of discussion that has been taken of it. Since I've seen no such discussion of Judaism with respect to the Smurfs, I'm inclined to say it doesn't belong in the encyclopedia at all. BD2412  talk 12:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote on the category deletion
I saw you voted on the category deletion for Category:Ecclesastical Government. I also have nominated the article about David Even Pedley for deletion that was created by Johnski in an attempt to further POV push DOM. If you would, please consider voting for its deletion. Davidpdx 04:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Can Al-Zubair ibn Abd al-Muttalib stay
Hi, I've modified AFD:Al-Zubair with facts and references. It would be nice if you can spare some time to read it, and hopefully to reconsider its deletion (or make some comments on my talk page). -- Goldie (tell me) 22:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 10x. Actually I've done my best searching three hours in the Net. The Arabic is a closed book to me, and the article needs someone with more knowledge in it. -- Goldie (tell me) 22:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

MD/MFD
Your move seems to have broken the page? Please check if you should move any subpages as well, and please inform the guy that has a bot to update it daily. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 01:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The list of discsussions was missing about 10 minutes ago, seems to work now. IIRC the bot is either AllyUnion's, or Uncle G's, or possibly both. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 01:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the list was broken, I fixed it by moving the discussion list (Miscellaneous deletion/Log/Current to Miscellany for deletion/Log/Current. Ideally, the subpage should be moved as well. Tito xd (?!?) 01:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It'll be a moot point in nine days, yes? BD2412  T 01:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * With the backlog there, I don't know... either way, you need to tell Uncle G to update his bot. Tito xd (?!?) 01:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * AHA!!! I've already done that (per Radiant). BD2412  T 01:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Newsweek's lists
I have taken a position opposed to yours in Articles_for_deletion/Newsweek%E2%80%99s_List_of_Top_High_Schools_%282003%29, and would appreciate your response. Dragons flight 22:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Joe Burke
Nice idea regarding Joe Burke - now certainly a worthy subject. Cheers. PJM 12:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Lesson plan
I can't speak for Florida (I'm an Albertan), but in the Canadian provinces, and I imagine in most or all of the states, all that is required is that teachers follow the syllabus. And even that may not be sacrosanct as far as timing is concerned. For instance, in Social Studies, grade four teachers are required to teach units on the geography of Alberta, lives of Albertans in other times, and a unique cultural group in Alberta (ie, Hutterites, Native Albertans). Teachers will typically follow the order set in the curriculum, not because they must but simply because it is very convenient to do so, and may make more sense in terms of concepts provided in one unit which are transferred to another. It is not even necessary to teach the units the school board provides if you have an effective alternate route to providing the same skills and concepts. In my classroom, for instance, I ran a full-scale, fully featured simulation economy. This meant that I did not have to teach the unit on money, because my students learned by practice how to count and make change and so on. And in actuality, they learned more than the objectives required by curriculum - they also learned how to calculate interest, how to calculate taxes (they had to pay income tax), how to write cheques, and more. Not bad for 9 - 10 year olds. Bottom line: lesson plans are what teachers write for each 30 - 60 minute period, unit plans are the broader-scope plans written for a period of weeks or months. Some administrators want to see and approve unit plans, but that is a decision left up to individual schools here. Hope this answers your question. Cheers! De nni &#9775; 02:16, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Grades
Too late to reconsider, but I agree. Joyous | Talk 02:45, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Woops, Didn't mean to edit the page at this point. I agree also. should i rv my edit to the discuss? Srl 07:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Untrihexium
I encourage you to revisit the Untrihexium vote. The original nomination failed to make clear that this isn't an actual element. It's a theoretical postulate, and in light of the article's math mistake it's an insignificant postulate. Regards, Durova 03:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * To some extent, God is a "theoretical postulate" - the fact that an element is theoretical does not make it non-notable, if the possibility of its existence is seriously discussed in the relevant scientific community. BD2412  T 03:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

One dollar Federal Reserve Note
I noticed the deletion debate here has fizzled somewhat, but I made some changes to the articles that may further illustrate the points I had been trying to make. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Paul 23:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my AfD. Sorry to have messed up and made extra work for you. Zora 03:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

DRUB
This non-notable band has been nominated by its own members and needs deletion. I would be most grateful for your help at Articles for deletion/DRUB--File Éireann 18:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've clarified the policy on the AfD page. Cheers! BD2412  T 19:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm new to AfD but plan to stay! If I become an admin next week, how long should I wait before deleting articles? Presumably if I nominate an article for deletion it would be bad practice to later also delete it!?--File Éireann 19:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I now have a clear picture of the AfD process.--File Éireann 19:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Sweet Kiss (Japanese Pop band)
I was in the middle of writing something when you deleted my article. Why don't you wait a few minutes before automatically assuming that I was just putting in only an external link.--Azathar 06:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my haste - my first deletion, actually. For exactly this reaason, I always make it a point to start articles with enough information to make it clear that there is a 'there' there. BD2412  T 06:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL, these things happen, no worries. I was just creating it backwards.--Azathar 06:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for speedy deletion
Hi BD2412, I see that you seem to be online. Could you please do User:Freakofnurture a favor and delete the page Articles for deletion/Freakofnurture? The explanation is written on the page. Thanks. Shawnc 22:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. :-D BD2412  T 22:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Assignment
Good luck, and please delete this page(User:Prodego/spelling) for me.

Prodego talk  22:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks

Gore v. Harris (Harris II)
Please contribute to the discussion. (I'm not asking you to take on the task of writing the article. ☺) Uncle G 03:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Question
It doesn't really matter, since you're an admin now, and I completely trust your judgment. But when you closed a somewhat heated no consensus AFD, did you catch any flak for it? Just curious, since I've heard conflicting views on what types of AFDs admins can close, and because I saw the AFD while looking at a 2nd nomination of the article in question. Ral315 (talk) 17:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I closed a number of such AfD's before I was aware that non-admins were limited to closing overwhelming keeps, merges, and redirects - when I found that I'd strayed beyond that rule, I immediately culled my activities in that area back. However, I don't recall that I ever got any flack over an AfD that I closed, probably because a) they were closed correctly (an 11-15 vote is definitely not "consensus to delete"), b) there was a fairly lengthy backlog, and I think people were grateful for the help, and c) as it turns out, a lot of people thought I was already an admin at that time. BD2412  T 18:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

...from Hell
You are pretty much condemned to comment on this one. ☺ Uncle G 01:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

In order to avoid an edit war
See. Thanks. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  20:50, Dec. 24, 2005
 * Yes but it's not customary to leave a second signature outside the box, lol. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  20:59, Dec. 24, 2005

Charge of sockpuppetry in John Bambenek
In the discussion at Articles for deletion/John Bambenek, the editor at, who is defending the article, has accused , who nominated the article for deletion, of vandalizing the article while not signed in. He claims to have found prove in other venues that Perardi uses the IP address used to commit the vandalism. As an administrator not previously involved in this discussion, could take a look at it and see if any action is required? --  Dalbury ( Talk )  15:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm about to go furniture shopping with the wife - I'll look when I get back, tho. Cheers! BD2412  T 16:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

RIAA safe
Bless you, my son. :) Should have figured that there was a legit article under the correct spelling. - Lucky 6.9 01:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Cassandra Claire - an AfD you closed back in the day
I would much appreciate if you could look into Talk:Cassandra Claire and apply your experience and judgment. - Haukur 19:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Paolo Gregoletto
Is there a reason you didn't nn-band speedy tag it? I didn't see a claim to notability in there, and normally I'd tag it, but I defer when it's you ;)  RasputinAXP talk contribs 04:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, he sort of claimed to tour with a band that toured with a notable band... BD2412  T 04:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * huh, I totally didn't catch that. I swear I'm getting too old to understand all these new bands nowadays. And I'm 27! *cough* Redirect it is, then. Thanks :)  RasputinAXP talk contribs 04:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Question/Request about a possible SPAM article
So I was looking around at new pages and I came across Stacks poker which reads so painfully like an ad that I am fighting the impuls to AfD it right now. I still might when it is not 3 am and I am thinking more clearly, but in the mean time I know you work on a lot of the wiki fixup projects and I have a memory of seeing one about fighting spam and thought that you might be able to point me that way. I figured that they might have some good ideas about how to deal with these sorts of article. Or am I over thinking this and should I just AfD it now? Dalf | Talk 10:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Clean up
BD, another editor left a welcome message for a brand new user User:Debtguy on his otherwise non-existent user page, instead of his talk page. I did a page move so that the welcome message is now on the talk page where it should be, along with the history. However, that left the user page as a redirect to the talk page. I deleted the redirect code (thereby blanking the user page). Now instead of a red link, this user has a blanked user page with my two actions in the history. It would be much neater if some nice administrator would delete the blank user page and return this guy to his original status... -- DS1953 <sup style="color:green;">talk 05:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. BD2412  T 05:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As to the other point, I prefer not to take the plunge.  I fear I would just be tempted to veer from my random walks.  But thanks for the kind thought and the nice words.  -- DS1953 <sup style="color:green;">talk  05:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Lagniappe/ Potpourri
I've no objection to making it a redirect... in fact I added dab links to Lagniappe and Potpourri... but it's sort of a mess with that slash-space, isn't it? What is it, a subpage of Lagniappe named " Potpourri" with a leading space? Not a rhetorical question: for article titles with slashes in them do we just use the slash and pretend we're not making a subpage? Dpbsmith (talk) 14:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * we try to avoid it - but surely there are some where it is inevitable! Since this is just a redirect, I'm not concerned. BD2412  T 14:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Science fiction Westerns
Hi. I noticed your vote on the science fiction Western category at CfD, and thought you might also be interested in the AfD that has been filed for the Science fiction Western article. (The nominator seems to hold that the genre does not exist.) Thanks for your time. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Dave Ward
Hi there, I noticed that you were active, so I was wondering if you could take a look at Dave Ward (originally at Dave ward, but that was speedied), regarding a nn-bio. The creator reverted away the speedy tags 4 times on me. Also, what is the quickest way to get admin action on something like this? Many thanks&#160;—  The KMan <sup style="color:#000000;"> talk  20:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Found a real Dave Ward to base an article on. Regarding your second point, I suppose Administrators' noticeboard is a good place to start. There's about 800 of us, so if I'm not active, someone is! BD2412  T 21:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)