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Summary table for Renaming Climate change article
Hi, in my own userspace I have started a table in which I am trying to super-succinctly summarize the Not-Votes and perspectives that have been raised. This is a work in progress, but I have at least finished my initial data-entry for what you've said. If you would like to me change anything, please use the talk page attached to the table. Thanks! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings! Thanks for your edit to the table, which I reverted.  By definition, the table is a distillation of my own brain matter, so I'm the only one I'm allowing to edit it directly.  (It's based on WP:OTHERSOPINION, which by definition is what I think other people think.)  So I reverted your changes.  However its important to me that I honestly try to write what other people think, so I tried to accurately write both your thoughts and the process used to add them (since I don't have a cite to some other comment somewhere else).   Please review this diff and indicate if that will work for you.  Thanks!  NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That is a misrepresentation. I have never said that I wanted "Climate change" to redirect anywhere. bd2412  T 11:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I will focus on studying this right now, please stand by NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed I screwed up. I was working from this diff and even though I knew people were giving closely nuanced answers with finely split hairs and knew I had to pay extra attention I failed in this case.  Thank you for keeping me honest!  I'll fix it, and ask you to review again. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Will this work? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. bd2412  T 12:16, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * >>whew!<< again, thanks for catching my error and calling it to my attention!  Have a great day, and I hope you join the discussion that happens next, because I'm sure there will be one.  It'd be nice if we had a breather, though.  NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

WP DAB tags
Hi, there's no need to create talk pages solely with WP Disambiguation (and it's actually preferable not to). You can see the discussions linked in that template's documentation. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 11:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised to learn that - I only started adding them because I noticed them sporadically being created on my watchlist. bd2412  T 11:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

College class on Wikipedia
Do Founders get an F? DuncanHill (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Founders, Foundation, same outcome. bd2412  T 11:42, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure about Editors getting an E though. DuncanHill (talk) 11:48, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on the state of the project, I would say that Editors get an "Incomplete". bd2412  T 11:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mariners (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Mariners (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is a redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Retargeted to Mariner (disambiguation), as it should have been in the first place. Cheers! bd2412  T 22:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Law new DYK
pls see Portal talk:Law/Did you know.-- Moxy 🍁 14:33, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks. Do these need some kind of reference? Our previous DYK collections for Portal:Law have a section collecting information on the original DYK publication date. Also, please note that since consensus has been reached to merge Portal:English law into Portal:Law, we will be looking at the DYK collections for the portal to be merged to see if there is anything usable there. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * All self done by tags that the DYK project does...they keep the sub pages for all topics Recent additions.-- Moxy 🍁 14:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

There is also ...


 * -- Moxy 🍁 14:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Is there any way to eliminate all the instances of "Lawrence" from the DYK search? bd2412  T 14:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅|not=Lawrence..-- Moxy 🍁 15:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have completed Portal:Canada it has all the coding exmaples you may need.-- Moxy 🍁 15:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Ali Rahbari concern
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 * As far as I can tell I only moved that content to draft space pursuant to a discussion closure. I have no interest beyond that. bd2412  T 00:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * A new biography was written under the title of the redirect BD2412 auto-created, by, now checkuser blocked. This new page was draftified by User:Discospinster for being undersourced.  It was undersourced, but not speediable.  It has now about to be deleted in draftspace.  These draftifications appear to be functioning as 6-month duration backdoor PRODs.  I've been uneasy about this draftification-G13 process, but it seems to be working reasonably.  The article would surely have been deleted at AfD.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
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Johnny Rizer Draft
Hello, I was looking at why this article was denied. I see that it was denied on notability but was also confused as other people on this team have their own page despite being "less notable." Is there any way you could clarify this distinction? Thanks :)

GreenLightDiode (talk) 17:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If you can point out to me which other people on those team have articles, I will be glad to nominate them for deletion. The requirements of WP:BASEBALL/N are pretty stringent. bd2412  T 17:40, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

favor
Can I have a favor? If you can improve this article, please do so. There is multiple comic book character articles being deleted. I personally think this should be saved either by merge or keep entirely. If you are a good enough source provider that I was thinking you are, help if you want to! BTW I need to point (sadly) out that I am trying to not force you to vote per WP:Canvass OBVIOUSLY. I don’t want to get in trouble with that. Jhenderson 7 7 7  18:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have any additional sources or insights to add to the article, but I agree that it should be kept. I don't have any inclination against counting "Listicles" generated by reliable sources as sources for notability. bd2412  T 18:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

VPT
I think you put your comment in the wrong section. I'd fix it but I'm on mobile and would probably just make things worse. Wug·a·po·des​ 00:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks - good catch. bd2412  T 00:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Redlinked categories
Hi ,

Replying here because you forgot to sign your comment on my talk page...

I noticed on 's talk page, that the cat had been repeatedly deleted and salted, and looking at the CfD discussion, it looks like it was added erroneously, or in a manner that was unwanted, by editors. Thus, I thought I'd do some wiki cleanup. We shouldn't leave pages tagged with deleted cats, I'd think, no?

Cheers,

--Doug Mehus T · C  18:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Signature fixed. The red link is an inside joke, because it puts the page in a self-described nonexistent category. You might want to check with people before you set out on a task involving their talk pages. Cheers! bd2412  T 18:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! Indeed, that's the problem with inside jokes sometimes. At any rate, I reverted the 15 of the 19 edits I'd made (4 editors reverted them already), and apologized here. I've opened it up to let one editor trout me, if they wish. Thanks again! Doug Mehus T · C  19:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * ✅. BD2412  T 12:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Portal guideline workshop
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 * Good, thank you. BD2412  T 12:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Turkish military interventions in Syria for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Turkish military interventions in Syria is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Turkish military interventions in Syria until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have replied there, thanks. BD2412  T 12:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Changing to semi protected
May you please change Michael Douglas to a semi protected because there is a lot of vandalism on the page. Thanks. The4lines (talk) 02:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines Thanks!--The4lines (talk) 15:28, 16 November 2019 (UTC)the4lines
 * ✅. BD2412  T 02:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
This is the first place I linked this to. But I figured if you need a spot for all these drafts go why not create this? What do you think? Not even close to done though. Will require patience. Jhenderson 7 7 7  04:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking maybe a table for characters with multiple film appearances to show which characters showed up across which films. See, for example, the table at List of The Fast and the Furious characters. BD2412  T 04:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Sounds nice. You are free to do that. As long as it's not too similar or redundant to this. Jhenderson  7 7 7  05:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * What I have in mind would be character-centric rather than film (or actor)-centric, dispensing with most one-appearance characters and minor characters. Like the Fast and Furious list, I would also color-code the type of appearance (main, cameo, archival, photo, etc.). BD2412  T 05:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I am curious to see what it looks like. You should do this while I focus on adding each new entry. The main reason why I showed you this is I thought you could be a big help in speeding up the process. Also you don't fancruft articles too. That's a plus! Jhenderson  7 7 7  05:13, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It may take me a while to get to this, as I am currently being drawn into other drama (see below). Cheers! BD2412  T 22:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I welcome you whenever you are ready. How’s it looking so far? Jhenderson  7 7 7  23:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So far I haven't gotten into it, but I will. BD2412  T 03:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks, ToThAc (talk) 22:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , how exactly am I "involved" in this, beyond having participated in a handful of portal-related MfD's? I have been on neither the giving or the receiving end of the conduct complained of. BD2412  T 22:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * See the relevant discussion here. ToThAc (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * . Cheers! BD2412  T 18:17, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer?

 * User talk:MJL/Archive 11

I feel so awkward about having to ask this, but I was granted this user right temporarily by. I used it quite a bit, but then I took a wikibreak when it was set to expire. Could you re-grant it to me? I'm incredibly bored rn and want to review some pages while patrolling for vandalism. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:49, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cheers! BD2412  T 03:57, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit summaries
The last word is the key. Regards, &#x222F; WBG converse 21:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * See mine. BD2412  T 21:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
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 * Thanks, but I am not particularly a coder. BD2412  T 21:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
I think your comments at ANI (here and here, for example) were well said, thanks. Paul August &#9742; 14:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BD2412  T 12:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * I have nothing to add beyond the diffs and links provided in my statement. I think they speak for themselves. Cheers! BD2412  T 01:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Continued disruptive editing
You had stated, after the discussion here about Science of Identity Foundation that "if disruption persists, the article may be edit-protected". Can you revert and edit protect or point me to the appropriate path?

The edits in question:

has made a number of edits that inappropriately 1) reintroduce 'alternate names' for the founder, an issue that had previously been settled; 2) add inflammatory material from a new tabloid reference; 3) misrepresent material from that reference in an apparent attempt to further harm the founder's reputation; and 4) include a section in the article titled 'Political activities', citing candidates who ran for office in 1976 prior to the formation of the Foundation in 1977. The implication is that the Foundation is itself involved in political activity, which would be a criminal violation of the Foundation's tax-exempt status. (The link Samp4ngeles provided for the new tabloid reference was incorrect; the proper link is https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/55521.) Humanengr (talk) 03:39, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The political section appears to have been removed by the same editor who introduced it. As for the rest, I would suggest taking those up on the talk page first. BD2412  T 04:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I made my complaint at 02:38 UTC, with notification to the editor. (I had mistakenly sent it first to the admin who had locked the related Mike Gabbard page where this editor has also made many changes that required reversion.)


 * It was only at 03:50 UTC, after the editor would have been notified, that he deleted the 'Political activities' section. This is not evidence the system is working fine without edit protection. In fact it shows the opposite — that he knew he had no basis for making that addition and was not prepared to present evidence and argue why the material was appropriate for inclusion.


 * This editor does not raise proposed edits with supporting evidence first on the talk page. Rather, he makes a raft of edits in the article which then tend to go through multiple reversions, research burdens, and arguments usually ending with complete reversion.


 * So, yes, each of his edits could be handled on the talk page as they have been in the past at the expense of dozens of hours of effort. But as I said during the deletion discussion, the fact that this article is a magnet for inappropriate edits -- even if they can eventually be eliminated -- places a considerable burden on the editors who do want to comply with WP standards. Humanengr (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There are appropriate channels for reporting disruptive behavior and requesting page protection, particularly WP:RFPP. I do not intend to engage further with this article. BD2412  T 22:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

"List of Google Doodles" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Google Doodles. Since you had some involvement with the List of Google Doodles redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have responded there, thanks. BD2412  T 18:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Ali Rahbari


Hello, BD2412. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Ali Rahbari".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! HasteurBot (talk) 06:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This was a technical creation to correct a title issue. I have no involvement beyond making that correction. BD2412  T 03:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Old fashioned close
Hey, I noticed you closed the RM at Talk:Old_fashioned_(cocktail) with the outcome "moved as proposed", but you only moved the cocktail article, and not Old Fashioned glass which was also included in the nom. Was that intentional, or just an oversight? Colin M (talk) 02:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That was an oversight, I think because the title was occupied so the move didn't go through. Remedied. BD2412  T 03:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Philipp Offenthaler
Could you please expand upon your close comment at Articles for deletion/Philipp Offenthaler to discuss where you believe the cross section of "Fails GNG" vs "Meets NFOOTY" meet each other? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    18:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not going to relitigate a clear outcome on my talk page. BD2412  T 22:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey
Thankyou for taking up the administrative role in the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey. Please explain your reasoning logic in determining the deletion of P. B. Buckshey. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There was a substantial consensus in the discussion that the sources and information presented in the article did not rise to the level of establishing encyclopedic notability. In particular, there is no policy making the cited award a basis for notability. BD2412  T 17:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry to trouble you and the need to ask questions one by one, but this may or may not lead to DRV, which award are you talking about, are you talking about, the Padma Shri ? Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was the one central to the discussion. BD2412  T 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant. The claim I made for satisifaction of WP:NACADEMIC (national professor) ... ( a national level honour) was a key point that was NEVER addressed by any delete !voter, apart from perhaps removing one of the sources (albeit passing) mentioning that from the article).  The !delete voters were knocking chunks off of everything else but failed to address that key point which was the key notability point! Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, consensus favored deletion. BD2412  T 18:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There was no consensus on that point. It is the responsibility of the closer to take on that point.  This AfD ran for 10 days with no relist; best practice would have been to have relisted requesting discussion on this critical point would it not?  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As you have noted, you can take this to DRV. BD2412  T 19:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Deletion review for P. B. Buckshey
An editor has asked for a deletion review of P. B. Buckshey. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Noted. BD2412  T 20:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!

 * Thanks, Atsme. BD2412  T 03:02, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

John McHugh Sr.
Hi, will you please consider unclosing and relisting this AfD? A no consensus close with zero relists seems to be throwing away the investment of time made by AfD participants, while relisting costs nothing and may result in consensus being established, thus making the aforementioned investment of editor time pay dividends. Thanks. – Levivich 17:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I provided my reasoning for not relisting in the close. The discussion had nearly twenty editors participating, and was evenly split. There is no realistic prospect that a relist will establish a consensus where the preceding volume of discussion failed to do this. AfDs are seven days for a reason. There is no entitlement to a relist, and frankly these should be reserved for rare and exceptional cases. BD2412  T 18:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Why should relisting be reserved for rare and exceptional cases? – Levivich 18:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Seven full days is time enough to resolve most concerns about whether an article should exist. Otherwise, AfDs would be longer as a matter of course. BD2412  T 18:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Seven days is time enough to resolve most concerns, but when it is, as you describe it, evenly split, then seven days is not enough time for a resolution. Since there's consensus that an evenly split, low-participation AfD should not be relisted just because of low participation, if we also don't relist evenly-split, high-participation AfDs, then what are we going to relist? In looking at the "even split" and "high participation" aspects, I think you're overlooking the canvassing concerns. In any event, there are some editors (like me) who make a habit of participating in relisted discussions, because those are the ones that most need "more editors eyes" in order to break deadlock (whereas the majority of AfDs are clear deletes or keeps that can be and are closed in seven days). I hate to say it but I think you're letting your personal views about relisting drive your decision here, and a "no consensus" close really doesn't help anybody with anything–it just kicks the can down the road. By avoiding a relist now, you're essentially guaranteeing a new nomination later, and I don't see how that's better than resolving it now. In any event, I won't bother you about it further, but I may take it to DRV or renominate the article at AfD. If I do the former I'll notify you. – Levivich 20:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact that after seven days an even split exists is not by itself an indicator that extending the time for discussion will yield a consensus. The concept of editors "who make a habit of participating in relisted discussions" seems a bit odd to me. It is easy enough to see whether a discussion that is in need of additional input after it has been open for five or six days. BD2412  T 21:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course

Your edit AWB edit to Physics
Just wanted to tell you that moving the short description is against MOS:ORDER. Is this part of the standard fixes or something you added? ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 03:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That is part of the standard fixes. My changes were only aimed at correcting spacing around punctuation marks. BD2412  T 03:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, don't remember seeing it when doing AWB runs myself and couldn't find it mentioned on wiki. Guess I'll try finding the source of it elsewhere. Thanks! ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 03:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Merry!

 * Thanks! BD2412  T 21:50, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * Right back at you! BD2412  T 21:50, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you for doing the same. Cheers! BD2412  T 04:42, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays text.png Hello BD2412: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers,  D Big X ray ᗙ Happy Holidays!  18:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


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Good luck
 豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune. このミラPはBD2412たちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！ フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE! ミラP 02:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

A Rumtopf for you!
Best wishes for 2020. Narky Blert (talk) 12:00, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Now that the holiday madness is more-or-less over, a Happy New Year to all of you. Cheers! BD2412  T 14:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , Happy New Year to you too. cheers.  Happy Holidays! ᗙ D Big X ray ᗙ  14:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Rumtopf looks quite fascinating. the 55% ABV thrills me. Would love to have. Our article states that it is no longer made. Did you make it this year ? -- Happy Holidays! ᗙ D Big X ray ᗙ  15:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

History merge
Hi, I've been scratching my head over this diff, which makes it look like I deleted a whole lot of unrelated stuff on the Senator Smith page and placed a redirect there instead. Is this the result of a histmerge you performed? I'm not sure how those work. Airbornemihir (talk) 02:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. I tend to create new pages in user space, and then move them to mainspace when done. Sometimes they have collected userspace history. I will fix this by moving your creation of the redirect to Senator Smith (disambiguation). BD2412  T 02:35, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks for the disambiguation, BTW, regardless of how it was done. Airbornemihir (talk) 05:07, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's my pleasure. Cheers! BD2412  T 05:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * I have replied to your email with a request that you contact me here for routine editing matters, rather than using the email system. BD2412  T 14:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

RE Deleted Article
Hi, I see that you deleted the article that I wrote, Garrett Coffey. Though sad to see the article go, I understand your decision and believe it was perfectly correct based on the votes. If I am able to develop the article such that it meets the standards of the other editors and their objections (at some point in the future, of course), am I precluded from creating the article again? And if not, would you have any advice in that regard? Thanks. Dflaw4 (talk) 03:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you create a draft in draftspace (at Draft:Garrett Coffey), and build it there until it is in sufficient shape to overcome the objections raised in the deletion discussion. Once you believe it is in good enough shape, you can request review. BD2412  T 03:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll do that. Best regards Dflaw4 (talk) 03:44, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Călineasa River (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Călineasa River (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is a redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Already done. Cheers! BD2412  T 20:25, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


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